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Dealing with jealousy in Psychology ·
lonegardener said:The human capacity for self-deception is limitless... (c) by Michelle Obama 🙂

On the contrary, I am convinced you arrived at those delusions through your own personal experience. How else could it be? 🤷 😬

You elegantly bypassed the question of why it's "A" rather than "B," or why it isn't everything from "A to Z," haha. Since I don't want to push for indiscretion (even Sam wouldn't answer intrusive questions), you interpret my restraint as me "retreating." Heh. Ah well. 🙂

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Here we go again... 🙂
You’re claiming I’m just deluding myself, yet you haven't offered a single shred of evidence to challenge my logic. 😁

On the contrary. I’m convinced you only hold these misconceptions because of your own personal experiences. How else could that be? 🤷 😬

Here it is again—just another way for you to tell me I’m delusional.

Why pick A over B? Or why not just give me the whole alphabet from A to Z all at once? You dodged that question quite elegantly, haha. Since I don't want to push for indiscretions—and honestly, even Sam wouldn't touch an intrusive question like that—you took my restraint for "backing down." Heh. Ah well. 🙂

Not at all! I clearly stated that love takes many different forms—and that physical intimacy is just one part of it. It’s optional. It doesn't have to be done. If you show up in relation to A, B, and C... if you're appearing in relation to the entire alphabet? That’s what we call being "all over the place."

Alright then... looks like I've got you stumped. Don't sweat it! I actually find it quite charming when a smart guy loses his words while talking to me. It’s adorable.😍
Dealing with jealousy in Psychology ·
Sean Cruz said:It’s not some sacred principle, really. It’s a nice sentiment if you can actually pull it off in the real world. Personally, I wouldn't be able to stay stone-faced about it—it would hit me hard. But at the end of the day, the person I love isn't my property, and they have every right to walk away if that's what they choose. Still, don't get me wrong: I wouldn't be indifferent. That much is certain.
Romantic love often revolves around drug use, which inevitably creates the perfect storm for jealousy. It’s a fragile, fleeting kind of affection—essentially just infantile.

That kind of love might be fleeting, but it’s certainly not infantile.
Mature love starts with self-love.

Look, it’s a fact: you can't truly love anyone else if you don't love yourself first. But there's a catch—if that self-love turns into pure narcissism, you won't be able to love anyone else either. Balance is everything. 😉
Someone who truly loves you won't hurt you. Hurting someone just isn't in the nature of love.And honestly, someone who truly loves themselves isn't going to go around hurting themselves either...

That’s exactly the point. Someone who truly loves another person will willingly restrict their own freedom just to ensure they don't cause them any pain.
When a guy holds back from texting another girl just to keep the peace, don't mistake that for loyalty. It’s not about devotion; it’s about damage control. He still wants that attention, he's still interested, but he's simply exercising enough self-control to ensure his partner doesn't get offended. It’s polished behavior—well-mannered, sure—but the underlying desire to flirt elsewhere hasn't actually gone anywhere.

People have all sorts of desires, but actually following through on them—or choosing to hold back—requires either self-control or a genuine lack of affection. We need someone meaningful in our lives to act as a moral compass, someone who makes us conscious of the fact that we don't want to hurt them with our actions. I agree that imposing bans is pointless; he’ll probably just end up messaging ten other people behind her back anyway. But since he knows exactly how much this hurts her, it seems clear he simply doesn't care about her feelings. At that point, you really have to ask yourself if he loves her at all.
I’ve also gotten the impression that Britta realized something was fundamentally broken in her internal world—that her reactions had become erratic, that she’d pushed herself nearly to the brink of suicide, and that she’s actually ready to change. She seems willing to listen to what others have to say and then take action based on that feedback. It’s all part of self-improvement, regardless of how much that concept repulses you...

Of course she realized it. She wouldn't have started this thread if she hadn't. I even advised her to take a page out of Cocaine Nights' book and seek professional help. But just as much as you loathe the word victim, I can't stand the phrase self-improvement. To me, it’s a hollow cliché. It reminds me of those types who strut around acting like they're so enlightened because they're "working on themselves." Honestly, there are at least half a billion of those "special individuals" roaming the planet these days. 😁

That’s wise and incredibly human at the same time. I couldn't agree more!

Quincy:
That kind of love might be fleeting, but it’s definitely not infantile.
She’s beautiful in her own way, sure, but she’s definitely not mature...

Quincy:
True. You can’t love anyone else if you don't love yourself first—that's just facts. But here's the catch: if that self-love turns into narcissism? Then you won't be able to love anyone else either. 😉
I agree... That’s pure selfishness. Or, if you want to get technical about that twisted level of narcissism, it isn't even self-love.

Quincy:
That’s exactly the point right there—someone who truly loves another will gladly set limits on their own freedom just to make sure they don't cause any harm.
I agree. It isn't about bowing to a partner's expectations or acting out of fear. He hasn't been conditioned. This is his choice—purely driven by love.

Quincy:
People have all sorts of desires. But acting on them—or actually holding back—requires either self-control or simply not wanting them that badly. We need someone meaningful in our lives to act as a moral compass, so we stay mindful of not hurting them through our actions. I agree that bans don't work; he’ll probably just keep messaging ten other people behind her back anyway. But since he knows exactly how much this hurts her, it seems like he couldn't care less about her feelings. At that point, you really have to ask: does he even love her?
I agree... she needs to judge that for herself. Sure, she might be acting out of jealousy, but it’s also entirely possible he’s just being a total insensitive jerk at the same time.

Quincy:
Of course she realized it. She wouldn't have even started this thread if she hadn't. I actually told her she should give Cocaine Nights a listen and go find some professional help. But man, how much does that word turn your stomach? Victim. I am just so sick of that phrase. Self-improvement. Constant growth. It’s everything.It’s completely mindless. Reminds me of all those "individuals" out there constantly bragging about how much they work on themselves or how uniquely special they are. The thing is, half the planet claims to be an "individual" these days. 😁
I totally get where you're coming from 🙂 .... honestly, it’s become such an annoying catchphrase. People use it to act superior and basically reject who they actually are...
Dealing with jealousy in Psychology ·
lonegardener said:Give me a break. Whatever. 🤣

I agree—human capacity for self-delusion is truly limitless. If we can at least find common ground on that, I’ll take it. 😬

That’s just a figure of speech, honestly. Love lives in the brain—and if we're going to get all mystical and talk about some kind of transcendental entity, there’s really no reason to pin it to the "heart." Lol. At the end of the day, the heart is just a blood pump. Period. 🤣

Actually, I’d love to put the strength of your convictions to the test—to see exactly how many logical paradoxes you'll stumble into while defending this vision of overflowing love. But honestly, I’m hesitant. We might drift too far off-topic, and I wouldn't want to become overly indiscreet.


Of course it's poetic... you don't actually think I believe love lives in a pump. Love is simply beyond the mind... Anyone who has ever loved knows it has nothing to do with mental processes.

By the way, I'd love to test the strength of your convictions—to see what logical paradoxes you'll fall into while insisting on this vision of overflowing love—but I'm afraid we'll drift too far off-topic... and it might get a bit too indiscreet...

It won't be off-topic, nor do you need to be indiscreet. It's just that you have no actual arguments to refute what I said, and no way to back up that rushed claim that love is in the brain. So, you're elegantly retreating with that flimsy assumption that I don't live what I speak about. 🙂
Dealing with jealousy in Psychology ·
steeltiger2 said:Okay, you have a point there. But honestly, I didn't think I lacked self-love at all. It wasn't until he actually started loving me for real that I realized I didn't love myself.

Pretty much. It wasn't exactly my goal to end it all, but I didn't know what else to do and I wanted to hurt myself as badly as possible. It was just that one time.

There’s no issue, really. In fact, I’m going to start noticing other attractive people and thinking about their great physiques, because I want to accept that as normal. Clearly, I haven't quite adjusted to reality yet.
I need to start being "normal" too, and maybe once I align myself with that, it won't bother me so much.
Of course, I won't actually do anything—just look (and think) and maybe make a comment here and there, making it explicitly clear to my boyfriend that I don't reserve my sexuality just for him. It's all perfectly natural. 😉
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🙂 my point exactly

It was almost that—I didn't really intend to end it all, but I just didn't know what else to do and wanted to hurt myself as badly as possible. That was just that one time.

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Classic attention-seeking 🙂.

No problem at all; I'll start noticing other impressive people too and thinking about their fit physiques, because I want to accept that as normal, since clearly I haven't adjusted to reality yet.
I need to start acting normal too, and maybe then it won't bother me once I finally sync up.

the transformation within us inevitably transforms our relationships too

Of course, I won't do anything, I'll just watch (and think) and maybe comment, showing my boyfriend explicitly that I don't share my sexuality only with him. It's all natural. 😉

You don't need to make him jealous, even if doing so would expose his entire vulnerability. You shouldn't pretend to be attracted to someone else if you aren't. Just keep going the way you started so that the change can happen naturally.

Let me give you some simple math for the solution:

25 percent is solved when you realize he isn't the problem—you are. By doing that, you take your power back. Only you can fix your own issues because you're the one who created them. As long as we believe others are the cause of our problems, we try to change them, which is a mission doomed to fail since we can't change anyone except ourselves.

25 percent is solved when you decide you won't live like this anymore and that you can't survive with your current mindset. Deciding to change prepares the ground for the actual shift.

40 percent will be handled by the "greater forces" that bring people, books, articles, information, situations, and circumstances into your path where you'll better see your own reflection, understand your behavioral patterns, and grab onto the keys that offer solutions.

Just 10 percent of the work is simply bringing awareness to how you act. Awareness is huge—it’s massive—maybe even the only true transformer we have. It creates enough distance from the mess of our daily lives that the problem starts to fall apart under its own sheer absurdity. It becomes so obvious that you actually find yourself laughing out loud at the nonsense you sacrificed your sanity and heart to.

Dealing with jealousy in Psychology ·
lonegardener said:Hmm, let's think about this.

So, that's what love is supposed to be. No expectations, no jealousy, no possessiveness...

But tell me one thing. Why do you "love" this specific man—the one you call "darling"—instead of just some random stranger on the street? If a person is truly overflowing with love for others because, as you put it, it stems from total self-love, then logically it shouldn't matter who it is with. It would align perfectly with Frommov's "the art of love," wouldn't it? Why Person A instead of Person B?

Or better yet—why not both at once? Both A and B? Or whoever asks? 😬 I mean, it seems like such a waste to spend all that beautiful, selfless love on just one loser. If she could make so many people happy... a loser, LOL

In short, Wolfgang Pauli comes to mind again... 🤣

No hard feelings 🙂—life just forces people into all sorts of mental constructs...

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So, tell me one thing. Why do you "love" this specific man—this person you call "my love"—instead of just anyone else? Like some random stranger walking down a street in Chicago? You claim he’s so overflowing with affection for others because of his total self-love, which implies it shouldn't matter who he's with at all. That would align perfectly with Frommov’s "the art of love," wouldn't it? So, why Person A instead of Person B?
Life is all about possibilities, lonegardener—it’s just the opportunity for light to finally reach the art of love. Love is truly the finest vibration we, as human beings, are capable of manifesting. Once it starts flowing out of us in its full capacity, this energy—which is essentially formless on its own—pours toward others from our sheer abundance. It takes on so many beautiful shapes: parental love for children, a child's devotion to their parents, friendship, deep respect, compassion, service, giving back, acts of kindness... and, of course, romantic love.

Self-deception fueled by that whole "romantic love" myth leads people to believe this kind of intense sexual connection—where you feel this overwhelming need for total unity and complete immersion in another person—can only, and exclusively, happen with one single individual. Maybe it can. Maybe it can't...

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Or better yet—why choose? Why not both at once? Person A and Person B. Or honestly, whoever asks! 😬 Honestly, it’s such a waste to see that kind of beautiful, selfless love poured into just one nobody. Imagine if she could bring happiness to so many others instead... Total nonsense, LOL!
To quote you in my own words—it’s neither right nor wrong...🙂

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In short, Wolfgang Pauli is on my mind again... 🤣

NHF? 🙂 Life has a way of forcing people into all sorts of mental constructs...

Exactly... but love actually happens somewhere about twelve inches below the head, right in the center of the chest—maybe a little to the left. It has absolutely nothing to do with the mind or all its logical constructions! 🙂
Dealing with jealousy in Psychology ·
hiddenhound3 said:And whatever happened to Matovilka, the one who was imprisoned in the tower? 😁

Matovilka, trapped in her tower, braids her red hair,
calling for a knight to come to her rescue.

The knight rides in on his steed, swinging his saber high,
but he has no clue what’s coming for him,
because Matovilka is no damsel in distress...

Matovilka is a master manipulator, obviously....
Dealing with jealousy in Psychology ·
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Sean Cruz said:🙄 Oh, please. Jealousy can mean all sorts of things...😲 Sure, jealousy reflects insecurity, but there isn't a single person on this planet so supremely confident that they never feel a pang of it. Only pathological jealousy points to a deep-seated issue; it's not every little instance of feeling uneasy. How can you possibly claim her fears are irrational and disconnected from reality?
If that's your logic, tell me: would you sit there stone-faced and tell your boyfriend (or husband) to go sleep with someone else just because he finds them attractive? ☕ Is that what love looks like? 🙄
The solution doesn't lie in changing his behavior, nor in his making sacrifices, or altering his character; the fix lies within you.

I agree she probably needs more self-confidence, but why shouldn't he sacrifice something for the sake of love (if he actually feels it)?😉
work on herself

Honestly, when I hear this "spiritual" nonsense, I feel like gagging. Just "work on yourself," practice "free love," and everything will be fine. 🙏
Sure, for people whose brains have been turned to mush by certain "spiritual" movements, it might be "fine" because they've successfully convinced themselves that's how life should work. My impression is that steeltiger2 has a functioning brain and knows how to think for herself, so I doubt any brainwashing would stick with her.

Then what's the issue when he notices other women are beautiful, smart, or impressive? What's the problem if he admires a well-toned body?

Did you even read the thread? She isn't complaining about him noticing other women; she's talking about how he constantly brags about how much others like him and responds to messages that are clearly personal rather than professional.

The more you love yourself, the less room there is for jealousy or envy. It’s simple. True self-love leaves zero space for those toxic feelings to take root. On the flip side? Pathological jealousy is just a massive red flag—it’s a clear sign that someone lacks fundamental love for themselves.

How can you even tell if her fears are irrational and completely detached from reality?


I just can't... That’s why I said he was nothing more than a catalyst. He just stirred up something that was already lying dormant inside her. Once she actually digs into it, she might realize—among other things—that he totally deserved to be kicked in the ass. Or something like that, anyway!

If you’re really thinking along those lines, tell me: would you honestly look your boyfriend or husband dead in the eye and tell him to go hook up with someone else just because he's into it? ☕ Is that the art of love? 🙄

Yeah. It wouldn't be cold, per se, but I’d keep it warm and human. "Look, honey, I can see you're struggling... so let's just cut to the chase. Figure out what you actually want. Are you just chasing impulses? Are you bored and looking for a change? Maybe you've fallen for someone else, or maybe I'm just not the person you need for this next chapter of your life. Either way—don't worry, be happy." I'm not giving him permission, obviously. I'm not his owner; he's free to do whatever he wants. But he needs to realize everything comes with a price. And the price for exploring other people might just be that I won't be standing by his side anymore. That's the art of love, Sean Cruz. But because of a century's worth of social programming regarding this nonsense we call "romantic love," you'll probably think I'm being sacrilegious.

Romantic love centers on drugs, which only sets the stage for jealousy. It's fragile, fleeting, and honestly? Just infantile. Real, mature love is built on self-love.

I agree she needs more self-confidence, but why shouldn't he sacrifice something for the sake of the art of love—if that's what he's feeling? 😉

To me, "sacrifice" is a disgusting word—honestly, it feels like a curse. When it comes to the art of love, there is no such thing as sacrifice. Love is simply giving, caring, and being attentive. Someone who truly loves won't hurt their partner because wounding someone goes against the very nature of love. And let’s be real: if you actually love yourself, you aren't going to hurt yourself either. If a guy says he's "sacrificing" himself by not texting some other girl just to keep the peace, that’s not love. It just means he still wants to do it, but he’s suppressing his urges so she doesn't get upset. That isn't devotion; it's just being well-trained. He still wants to be talking to someone else.

Honestly, listening to this "spiritual" nonsense makes me want to gag. Just focus on yourself, practice "the art of love," and you'll be fine. 🙏
Sure, maybe for people who let certain "spiritual" gurus brainwash them, everything will feel "fine" because they’ve successfully convinced themselves that's how life should be. But from what I can tell, steeltiger2 actually has a brain and knows how to think for herself, so I doubt any brainwashing is working on her.


And my take? I get the impression that steeltiger2 realized something was deeply wrong with her inner life—that her reactions were becoming irrational, that she had pushed herself nearly to the brink of self-destruction, and that she’s finally ready to change. She's open to hearing what others have to say and then actually doing something about it. That *is* working on yourself, no matter how much it nauseates you...
Dealing with jealousy in Psychology ·
lonegardener said:Just how much self-deception can you handle? 😍

Once you finally see through the whole Santa Claus act, you stop hanging those stockings up by the window. 🙂

And once you know, without a shadow of a doubt,

that Cinderella was just a gold digger who married well,
that Sleeping Beauty was completely frigid,
that Little Red Riding Hood was nothing more than a flirt who didn't mind a dark forest or a scary wolf,
and that Snow White was probably sleeping around with all seven of them at once...

then everything changes. Nothing is ever the same.
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steeltiger2 said:I’ve never been the jealous type. Not once. And possessiveness? That’s just not in my DNA. I've always been pretty laid back about these things. But this... this is different. This is the first time I've ever actually felt this way about someone. It's a total first for me.
Look, I’m not some wide-eyed dreamer drifting through life, lost in some fantasy world or obsessed with uncovering all the little mysteries of the hormonal system. Not me.
It’s just how I feel after everything that's happened. Honestly, there's no other way to put it. I’ve loved quite a few others before this—not an overwhelming amount, mind you, just a handful—but it was more than enough to help me realize a few things about life.
That’s just who I am. Some people are just overly sentimental—they sit there crying over some sappy Hollywood drama while I’m just watching, totally baffled. Then you have the realists, the ones who think they've got life all figured out. And don't even get me started on that fourth group; those people view the art of love as nothing more than a chemical glitch or some selfish urge to satisfy their own basic needs. It's quite a spectrum, really.
Love shouldn't be that way. Honestly, I wasn't trying to suggest that jealousy is just some natural part of the equation—it isn't. It’s a sickness. Pure and simple.
But my love isn't some kind of sickness. Are you actually suggesting that I need to fall in love a bit more "realistically" just to get rid of this jealousy?

I don't think I'm being selfish at all. Honestly, if anything, I’m sacrificing way more than my boyfriend does. I mean, look—I’m constantly checking in on him, wondering how he’s actually doing, and his feelings are what really matter to me. I would never, ever let some trivial little distraction or a night out cause him to spiral that far. I won't ever let him reach a point where he feels like cutting his wrists just because of something silly I did. It's about priority. It really is.
His thoughts and feelings actually matter to me. I really do sit there and weigh them, you know? That’s why I end up feeling more jealous than someone who doesn't even bother to stop and think about things.
If I’m looking for someone just for me—and I don't mean that in some possessive, suffocating way where I view them as an extension of myself rather than their own person—well, I’d probably end up falling for a total pushover. There are plenty of them out there, honestly. I even respect some of them as individuals, but I could never actually be with one. Why? Because I value my own independence too much. I need my partner to have a rock-solid sense of self. That's the only way we can truly experience the art of love.
When you get up to a penthouse level, you just get a better view of the skyline. That’s really all there is to it. And honestly, that jealousy people feel? It isn't just about my somewhat fairytale notion regarding the art of love and two souls becoming one, or whatever... it goes deeper than that. It’s all deeply tied to my fundamental worldview—how I see life unfolding, really, and more importantly, how I view people as a whole.It’s not even about that... I mean, I'm not exactly sitting here pining away for some fairytale prince who’s supposed to swoop in and give me those dreamy, lingering glances—you know, the kind where he only blinks like that for me, and absolutely nobody else. Just me. That's the dream, isn't it?

Of course, at the end of the day, that raw, primal drive for sex is the core of it all—it’s just biology, plain and simple. But honestly? People are far too messy and complicated for that to be the whole story. Everything bleeds into everything else. It’s all tangled up. You can't just take one thread and pull it out to study it under a microscope without unraveling the entire tapestry. You can't dissect sex, or love, or even someone's jealousy as if they were isolated specimens in a lab. It’s all one big, interconnected web. Nothing exists in a vacuum.

🙂No, your love isn't some kind of sickness. Love is never a disease... Jealousy is just a symptom of something much deeper, which is exactly what I was trying to get across in that provocative post: you don't love yourself. It's also a sign that you haven't even learned how to love anyone else.

Jealousy is really just a mask for the fear that you aren't enough. It’s a scavenger. It gathers up all this fake, imaginary data just to feed the lie that someone else is going to be more valued, more loved, or more wanted than you are. There’s only one way to actually heal from that: through the art of love directed at yourself. Because let’s be real—if you don't love who you are, you're never going to believe that anyone else could truly love you.

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I don't think I'm being selfish at all. If anything, I’m sacrificing way more than my boyfriend does. I’m constantly checking in on how he's feeling—that actually matters to me. And I would never, ever let some random fling or a night out be the reason he decides to end it all.
Cutting veins? What on earth were you doing, cutting your own veins?

The solution isn't about fixing his behavior. It’s not about how much he sacrifices, and it’s certainly not about changing who he is at his core. No, the answer lies entirely within you. You have to dive deep and find that specific place where the seeds of self-rejection were planted—that root cause of all your insecurities. Build your own emotional stability. Cultivate your own confidence. And finally, learn the art of love by loving yourself completely.

Since jealousy isn't usually your thing—it’s just not who you are—he’s acting as a catalyst. He’s pulling these hidden insecurities to the surface that you didn't even know existed. Honestly? He's teaching you about yourself. Don't waste energy being mad at him. Don't sit around waiting for him to change. Just focus on your own growth. Maybe this whole mess brings you two closer in a way you never expected, or maybe it finally proves he deserves to be kicked to the curb... whatever. Either way, by learning these lessons about yourself, you win. Whether you level up this relationship to a much deeper, more intimate stage or walk away from it entirely, you’re going to come out of this stronger and better than when you started.

When you move up to a penthouse, you get a better view of the skyline—it’s as simple as that. And all this jealousy? It isn't just about my fairy-tale notion of two souls becoming one, or anything like that. It's more than that. It all comes down to my worldview—how I see life, mainly, and how I view people in general.And it’s not like I’m sitting here pining for some fairytale prince who’s supposed to bat his eyelashes only when he catches my eye—and mine alone!

So what’s the actual issue if he notices other women are beautiful, smart, or engaging? What’s the problem if he catches sight of a fit body? It’s just unrealistic to expect someone's entire sexuality to revolve around one single person. Those are just instincts... you can't fight biology. At the end of the day, what matters is his actions—not some fleeting thought or a momentary spark of chemistry.

P.S. Obviously, the driving force is just that raw, natural sexual desire. But let’s face it—humans are complicated. Everything bleeds together. You can't just isolate one thing from another. You can't dissect sex, or love, or jealousy, like they're separate little objects on a lab table. It's all connected.

You're absolutely right... you can't view jealousy in a vacuum without looking at the whole person. But honestly? Its roots almost always lie in low self-esteem, a lack of self-love, possessiveness, and pure insecurity. Whether you realize it or not, in that moment, it colors your entire existence.
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lonegardener said:Are you even human? 😬

I am every bit a woman... 🥳 🙂
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steeltiger2 said:I truly believe there’s a progression here, if you want my honest take: first, you have that initial spark where you're basically falling for an idealized version of someone you've built up in your head—what most people just call being "infatuated." Then comes actual infatuation, where those qualities stop feeling imaginary and start becoming a real part of your daily life; you become convinced this person is completely incomparable to anyone else because they possess this specific, unique magic just for you.
And thirdly, there's that deep, enduring love where the infatuation stays woven into the affection—it's love plus that lingering spark. It’s when that person still holds that "something special" above everyone else, even though you actually know them now, flaws and all. It’s finding it sweet to see them looking like a total mess in the morning, or seeing them at their absolute lowest, vulnerable and defeated, and still thinking they're wonderful.

If I weren't feeling that infatuation anymore and was just deeply in love with my boyfriend, I suppose I could fall for someone else... because that specific spark is exactly what I look for in the person I'm with. Otherwise, I can just love a friend, I guess.
But honestly, I don't really know how he views this whole thing. That's why I'm worried—that maybe he just loves me without that infatuation. People always say that tired, boring old cliché: "infatuation fades into love," and they talk about it like it's some dull, predictable transition that kills the magic.
In my eyes, if you love someone but the infatuation or that sense of wonder is gone, then it’s just habit, not true love. I don't think real love between a man and a woman can exist without a constant dose of that infatuation—that ability to see something more in them than in anyone else. You can't just look at them with purely realistic eyes like you would any stranger; you need that perspective that makes your heart ache just by looking at them sometimes. And if you don't feel that, how are you even supposed to be jealous?


That fascination? It’s nothing more than being head over heels. Basically, you lose yourself in someone else—usually because you're caught up in that illusion where a frog suddenly turns into a prince. You become obsessed with the object of your affection, desperately praying they feel the exact same way.

Let's be real about falling in love. At its core, it’s driven by an overwhelming surge of desire—specifically, sex. Sure, people like to hide behind those soft, flowery descriptions of romance, but the root of it all? It's a burning need for physical intimacy and those frequent, "funny little movements" that come with connecting with someone.

When you fall deeply in love, there’s this intense emotional hunger that takes over. You crave total connection—you want that person to be entirely yours, and you want to belong completely to them, too. It’s about fulfilling every single emotional need. But if you add a spiritual dimension to it? Then falling in love isn't just some random occurrence. That person becomes your soul mate. They are sent by God; they are your other half. Through them, we practice a temporary taste of bliss here on Earth, preparing ourselves for eternal bliss in Heaven. When everything is sealed with God's blessing, it offers a glimpse of the infinite—a promise of everlasting joy through complete physical, emotional, and spiritual unity.

See you tomorrow!

It’s fun, sure. Just like bungee jumping—you get that massive rush of adrenaline and endorphins, but it's fleeting. That feeling of the wind in your hair, that momentary flight? It's temporary. And more often than not, it fades away leaving nothing but drama and finger-pointing in its wake. The high usually dies down fast. Unless there is a foundation built on the art of love—specifically, a love for oneself—it just won't turn into anything lasting.

The art of love. Jealous people always seem to suffer from that one crushing deficiency.It might lack raw passion, but it offers something better: peace, composure, and genuine tenderness. It doesn’t peddle those fake promises of "I’ll be yours until death do us part, and then we'll spend eternity in heaven together..." Instead, it builds self-respect, clarity regarding our own worth, confidence, and—above all else—self-sufficiency. Sure, there isn't any sexual "aaahhhhh" or "mmmmmm" involved, but it actually makes us more sensual. We start to crave ourselves and others. By learning how to truly love and care for ourselves, we learn how to love and care for everyone else. And sometimes? We take care of them *soooo* well that we shamelessly enjoy every second of it. The only difference is that, in that moment, loving others becomes just another way of loving ourselves.

Falling in love? It’s basically a mental health episode—a very, very pleasant one, sure, but it's caused by being high on your own hormones. It completely warps your perception of reality. Telling someone their issue is "jealousy," rather than pointing out that the actual problem is the infatuation itself—along with that programmed, romanticized idea of what "love" should be—is like trying to give advice on how to stop hallucinations while someone is tripping on heavy drugs.

We’re all programmed from day one to believe in the illusion of romantic love. It’s the exact same cultural conditioning that makes us believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy. They teach us to hunt for that "one special person" who will finally make us whole—someone we supposedly need exclusively. We're told they have to be ours and ours alone, never looking at anyone else, never leaving our side, and staying that way until death do us part.

Humans have this endless capacity to lie to themselves, even when the truth is staring us right in the face:🙂 nobody belongs to us, and we don't belong to anyone. Once you realize that absolutely no one—and I mean no one—is yours to own, you'll experience the sheer lightness that comes from NON-POSSESSIVENESS. You simply can't be jealous if you aren't possessive. And honestly? Only someone who isn't possessive can truly love. In real love, all you want is what's best for the other person. In that romanticized, fake version of love, all you want is to keep that person exclusively for yourself.
If you could come back to life, would you? in Spirituality ·
Michael Moore3 said:Why do you keep coming after me directly? Could you perhaps frame this more abstractly, like a passing thought, similar to how most people here tend to communicate? Because by targeting me specifically, you trigger a response from me that you then misinterpret as anger.
And honestly, what makes you so certain you know what's "better" for me, or why you're convinced I'm just being complacent instead of questioning things? I'm not actually emotionally attached to this inquiry; I'm genuinely just curious about the reasoning behind your perspective.

Wrong answer....👎

Best,
If you could come back to life, would you? in Spirituality ·
Michael Moore3 said:I wasn't actually planning on replying to your post, as I started this thread specifically to let people share their perspectives without getting into debates, but since you directed your comment toward me, I suppose I should offer my own take:
what acts as light to one person might be darkness to another; what serves as nourishment for one could be poison for someone else; what one person considers trash is treasure to another, and what feels like a chore to some is pure joy to others.
it all comes down to perception. if you want to expand that perception, you have to step outside of every mental "frame" you hold onto; you have to free your mind from its own boundaries, because the mind is essentially limitless in how it perceives the world. here is why I say that:
light to a human is darkness to a bat; food for a person might be indigestible to most animals; what a wealthy person tosses away is a windfall for someone struggling—just look at any local flea market; and while studying might feel like a burden to some, for an intellectual, it is a profound pleasure.

I am not judging you, because the universe you've constructed for yourself may not appeal to me, but I would ask that you don't try to impose it on me—if you hadn't addressed me directly, I wouldn't have felt the need to respond, and then it would have just been your opinion.
I don't have anything against your viewpoint; in fact, it adds variety to the conversation, provided we stay within the realm where we leave the choice to everyone else.

Neo, you're getting worked up over nothing... It's better to doubt than to settle into complacency. Doubt leads you to reality; complacency eventually leads to frustration.

Morpheus: I imagine that right now you're feeling a bit like Alice. Tumbling down the rabbit hole?

Neo: You could say that.

Morpheus:
I know exactly what you mean. Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know, you can't explain. But you feel it. You felt it your entire life. That there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there. Like a splinter in your mind -- driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I'm talking about?

Neo: The Matrix?

Morpheus: Do you want to know what it is?
(Neo nods his head.)

Morpheus: The Matrix is everywhere, it is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window, or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, or when you go to church, or when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

Neo: What truth?

Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else, you were born into bondage, born inside a prison that you cannot smell, taste, or touch. A prison for your mind. (long pause, sighs) Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself. This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back.
(In his left hand, Morpheus shows a blue pill.)

Morpheus:You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. (a red pill is shown in his other hand) You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. (Long pause; Neo begins to reach for the red pill)

Remember -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more.

(Neo takes the red pill and swallows it with a glass of water)
If you could come back to life, would you? in Spirituality ·
No, Michael Moore3, I wouldn't go back...

I’d thank God and just dissolve into Him—or maybe ascend to some higher plane altogether. You know, get some wings, grab a harp, all that stuff...

What kind of place is this, really? Look, I get it. Having a cold beer, a plate full of great food, someone warm to hold, jumping into a pool to splash around like you said... it sounds lovely. But let's be real: it’s hard to actually enjoy any of it. You can't drink too much because then you're sick—instead of feeling good, you're vomiting and your body feels toxic. You can't eat too much because the stomach is just one tiny little pouch; it can't handle everything your eyes want to see, and besides, you'll just end up overweight, unattractive, and unhealthy.

And travel? If traveling is your joy, you're stuck. You have to work so much just to fund it. Even people doing what they love spend an absurd amount of time working just to maintain a decent standard of living, or even just to exist...

You can't party too hard because you won't be able to function the next day. And sex? What about that? You can't overdo it there either—the average orgasm lasts maybe ten seconds...

And then what? In a few decades, your body will be old and worn out. You'll be popping antacids just to digest a meal, dragging old bones around the house, seeing the spark fade, and hearing your grandkids say, "Come on, Grandpa, move out of the way!" You'll just be waiting for game over, bothering everyone with stories about your wild youth. Then you leave, and your new persona pops up in this world again—back to diapers, starting from scratch, boring school, college, hunting for a job, finding a partner, reproducing, working and working just to sustain it all, with the occasional dip in a pool to make it feel worth it...

Hello, Michael Moore3... what's wrong with the picture?

Look, I'm not a depressive by nature. Honestly, life is beautiful—the bunnies, the streams, the sky, the ocean, traveling, dancing, eating, and hooking up... the challenges and all that. It's sweet. Life on Earth has its charms, and like little ants, we adapt to everything. But at the same time, it's all just a meaningless hamster wheel where there's more suffering than joy. And that's why
I'm choosing the one-way ticket. No return trip for me.
Thanks...
Not wanting kids: Is it just me? in Psychology ·
A friend once told me straight up: she didn't want kids. She said she couldn't even wrap her head around the idea, let alone the terrifying thought of someone growing inside her and stripping away all her freedom forever. Fast forward three months—she’s pregnant. The second she saw that positive result on the test, she transformed into a mother. Seriously, she’s one of the most nurturing moms I’ve ever met. It seems like those maternal instincts don't really kick in until you actually hold that baby for the first time... Before that, "motherhood" is often just this abstract concept we're told we need because it's what society expects from us.

Look, deciding whether or not to have children is entirely your call. If you don't want them, that is perfectly okay! Stick to your gut rather than bowing to social pressure. But, if you do find yourself pregnant, there's a huge chance your whole perspective will shift, and suddenly you won't be able to imagine life without that little bundle of joy...
Body issues / Physical concerns in Psychology ·
Roger Morgan4 said:For as long as I can remember, I’ve had this intense desire to stay covered up; I never wanted anyone to see me without clothes except for my immediate family. My earliest memories of this feeling stem from those frequent trips to the ER because of stomach issues. Even as a little kid—maybe four years old—I’d end up at the local hospital at least once a month because my stomach was hurting so badly. And, naturally, the doctor would ask my dad to help undress me so he could perform an exam. I felt so incredibly uncomfortable and exposed every single time. That feeling just persisted through my entire childhood and has stuck with me all the way into adulthood. By the time I hit puberty, I wouldn't even want to walk around in just a bra or without shorts in front of my mom and sister, which felt strange since neither of them seemed to struggle with anything like that.

I can certainly wrap my head around how these feelings might evolve later in life—you know, things involving body image or self-acceptance—but I truly cannot grasp why I felt this way when I was only four years old, just a tiny, fragile child. I haven't been able to find anything online that describes this specific experience, and I’m genuinely curious about what might be causing it. Perhaps someone said something to me back then that triggered this fear? I'd love to know if anyone else has gone through something similar.

Since you have "LEAVE ME ALONE" in your signature, it seems like you're a pretty private person in general. In my experience, we shouldn't fight our own nature. If you're reserved—then be reserved. That's just who you are.

Some people are outgoing, totally uninhibited and open, while others are more closed off, modest, and don't care for showing their intimate selves. You might simply fall into that second category, and if you do, there's no reason to try to be someone you aren't. Personally, I think both ways are perfectly fine. You just have to stay true to yourself.

However, if you're feeling genuine fear, horror, or any intense negative emotion regarding nudity in general, then maybe it's worth doing some deeper work on your body image to try and move past those feelings step-by-step.🙂