Posts by Adam Collins4

I’m honestly just wondering—does anyone actually have their e-Wallet set up and active?

George Murphy12 said:Put the instructions right here.

https://www.coronavirus.gov/passes/364

It also says if you can't get into the eCitizen portal or don't have a token, you can still do it the old-school way via email and stuff...

Sure, you have the instructions—the real issue is that what they’re telling you to do actually isn't possible on the site itself...😬

When you click the "digital pass" link, it’s supposed to toss you straight onto a login page for the passes... if that makes sense...

But instead, that link just dumps you onto some promotional landing page full of videos... there isn't even a "login" option anywhere, despite what they show in the video...

And when I go directly to the eCitizen site and log in, there isn't a single shortcut to actually get to the pass section...

Instead of having a pop-up window jump out at you and take over your entire laptop screen...

Or maybe I'm just being an idiot...

Has anyone actually messed around with this digital ID through the eCitizen portal?

Because whenever I log into eCitizen, there isn't a single thing related to the ID anywhere... either I'm just losing my mind, or something is up...

Matthew Jackson2 said:Just read the interpretation from the Civil Protection Headquarters.

Since land cultivation—that is, agricultural work—can fall under category f), which covers "traveling to and from work if the task is essential and cannot be performed from home," as well as category e), regarding "purchasing food and basic necessities" as outlined in the Decision, instructions are being issued to Civil Protection Headquarters to issue passes to individuals requesting them for the purpose of land cultivation or performing agricultural work outside their area of residence.

The Headquarters doesn't want to, nor can they, get bogged down in whether you're making wine or just snacking on grapes; it's like nobody ever asks if you're turning your potatoes into mashed potatoes, fries, or vodka (unless you have to report alcohol production to the Tax Administration). In a worst-case scenario, you could even turn wine into high-proof spirits to create disinfectant, which is actually essential.

And here you are, acting all high and mighty, being more sanctimonious than the Pope himself, basically telling a man to go plant some vines in his front yard and wait years for the first harvest while his vineyard in another county completely rots away and becomes a breeding ground for pests. Absolute genius!

No, you're a real genius—especially if he already has a vineyard somewhere else, he'll probably have a couple of vines at home too...

You aren't going to make much ethanol out of wine; there's just not enough alcohol in it... it wouldn't be any good quality...

To make ethanol, you need something else that's grape-related...

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Matthew Jackson2 said:Well, look at that, even the Civil Protection Headquarters has officially weighed in—apparently, tilling fields for private individuals is now considered a legitimate reason to get an e-Passport:

Adam Collins4 - you’re acting more devout than the Pope with all that insistence that tending to a vineyard isn't essential.

Look, I’m sticking to my guns on this one...

The whole point of a vineyard is the wine... and wine? Not exactly essential.

If you just want grapes to snack on, go plant a little blueberry bush next to the house... and enjoy.

There's a massive difference between that and a garden where you're planting things to actually survive on later—especially in times like these...

James Phillips92 said:Does anyone know if there are other places with these kinds of movement restrictions—besides North Korea? I was catching up with some friends living in Germany today, and they said things are totally different over there. No such restrictions at all.

Canada

dustymarlin10 said:Just ignore the troll.
They can't handle anyone having an opinion that isn't their own, so they just ramble on.
Plus, they get offended by anyone who doesn't bow down to His Majesty.

Right, because this post is clearly just bursting with logical arguments...🤣

Unlike that first one you pointed out—which actually showed some real capacity and was nothing more than a blatant slander...😉

There aren't any "opinions" here; much like your example, it's just a pile of baseless claims and smears—that's the intellectual level we're dealing with...

The kind of person who apparently struggles to grasp that when we talk about "6 days," we're referring to the window between the travel ban being declared and the moment someone decided to try and break through the blockade...

Anthony Jackson2 said:In a scenario where there’s neither herd immunity nor a vaccine—which doesn't change the fact that the virus is effectively just the flu.

Drawing charts on a forum is a pain, but if you're that lost, I'll try to make it easy for you.

When you run out of actual arguments, you resort to those mindless ad hominem attacks...

Which—let’s be clear—doesn't change the reality that your opinion isn't an argument...

When you actually find one, let me know...

Anthony Jackson2 said:I already gave you the arguments—maybe try reading for comprehension next time so we can actually move this along.

Nah, once you realize that having an opinion isn't the same thing as having an argument, then maybe we can talk...☕

Where are all those examples of the world going into lockdown because of the flu?

And where are the examples of the healthcare system collapsing like this just because of a bad flu season?

Anthony Jackson2 said:Actually, it is basically the flu—just a strain we have zero immunity or vaccine for.

If I recall correctly, even Berosh mentioned that a standard flu would be way more lethal if we didn't have any existing immunity.

But keep talking—it doesn't matter that you don't have a clue what you're saying. Not that anyone expected anything better from you.

Oh, please, as if you have a clue...

Every single flu season, we see this exact same chaos tearing through the healthcare system globally...

Whether it’s people sounding the alarm saying "this isn't just the flu"...

Or seeing social distancing measures put in place because of a flu outbreak...

But sure, go ahead and claim it's all just "like the flu." Once you actually stumble upon an argument that holds water—which, let's face it, isn't happening—let me know.

Kenneth Jones70 said:It’s a real drag that when you quote someone, you still see replies from blocked users. They really need to fix that—once you block some guy who’s basically just spreading diarrhea online, you shouldn't have to deal with his nonsense ever again.

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It’s wild how a few panic-mongers can try to spread fear to the entire country.

I don't know who’s running moderation here or why they’re letting a handful of people talk trash, but whatever—politics is always going to be the weak link in this whole system.

And as for those folks claiming that "bla bla" everyone is suddenly going to wise up or that we won't value material things as much—yeah, you can forget about that.

If someone has assets right now, they’re enjoying them. And they’ll keep enjoying them later, too. Nobody is coming for their luxury house or their penthouse apartment.

But once you lose your job, and then the federal minimum wage drops—well, the dollar is going to take a massive hit. When people start trading dollars for anything else just to survive, that's when the real questions start.

Honestly? You're probably better off living in an old, beat-up shack where you don't have to sink money into it your whole life. Because look, whenever someone decides to wreck the economy, they're gonna wreck it. It's one of those stupid situations that makes you wonder every single day—is it really going to go down like that?

Wait a second—you're talking about people panicking, yet you were just complaining about having to see blocked users because you couldn't ignore them for a few days...

That is the literal definition of panic right there...

stormybadger8 said:What caused it was greed and theft baked right into the entire country, including the healthcare system itself...
That’s what happens when you have enough cash to buy insanely expensive equipment just to snag a 10-20% kickback, but then you can't cover payroll, so your medical staff starts jumping ship.
Then there's when you don't even have the basics like masks and sanitizer, or when you're dealing with hospitals that have a "new wing" built in 1962 and an old wing dating back to 1896...

And then, when something hits you suddenly—even just the flu—you’re in deep trouble. Imagine the mess when something like Covid shows up...
Honestly, we should probably call Covid "the disease of the healthcare system" or "the disease of society," because it perfectly strips everything down and exposes all the weak links...
But hey, it does a damn good job of highlighting the problems that usually stay hidden or get brushed under the rug...
It’s finally showing how incredibly senseless and idiotic these massive municipalities really are. I just hope we don't all collectively decide to forget about it and that something actually changes...

By that logic, it's the same story in other countries too, since everyone's healthcare system is under massive strain for those exact same reasons...

wiredotter89 said:It isn't even weeks anymore; we're talking a matter of days now. 🤦 😵

Honestly, watching these mindless provocations is pathetic—it's what happens when people simply lack basic reading comprehension...

Yeah, it's only been a few days because at the exact moment he complained about being unable to move forward and trying to break through the blockade, it had only been 6 days since the ban was actually issued...

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You know that specific type of person—the kind who can barely survive forty-eight hours without their partner clinging to them—who suddenly decides this thing straining healthcare systems across the entire country is just some glorified flu...

It’s a funny dynamic, really. On one hand, you’ve got these codependent types who can't function solo, and on the other, you've got total idiots downplaying things people are actually dying from...

So, why don't you just go ahead? Go infect yourself and everyone you care about so you can finally build up some immunity. If your partner gets sick too, just stay tucked away in isolation together... I mean, if it's "just the flu," right?

Anthony Jackson2 said:The argument is that any death where they find the virus in a throat swab gets labeled as Covid—mostly because they can't keep up with autopsies.

Death counts from cancer, heart disease, and chronic issues will probably drop to zero soon—which really just means their infection numbers aren't high enough (since they often don't catch it until someone dies), while the death toll looks inflated because everything is being blamed on Covid.

Right now, the mortality rate according to the data is around 10%, which is insane—China saw about 0.7-0.8% once things settled down. Sure, Italy will have higher rates due to a poor response and different age demographics, but they shouldn't be anywhere near 2%.

Even their own virologists are saying the recorded infection numbers are too low—they have no idea when the virus actually hit (some claim the first cases were mid-December)—and they won't know the true impact for quite some time.

So, are their doctors hitting a breaking point because of the virus itself, or because of all these people who aren't actually dying from it, but from other underlying issues?

I’ll say it again: until someone can prove that a completely different illness caused this kind of chaos across various countries and healthcare systems, we can't just sit here and claim this is just like the flu...

fadedranger162 said:Well, duh, they tightened restrictions across the rest of the country because once you have one neighborhood hit with cases, it would be a total disaster for a country our size if it spread, but they weren't going for a full-blown lockdown.

It’s like I wrote before—you could see the mess happening in China, and you could already see the chaos in Italy, yet here in America, they let a few thousand people fly back into the country and wander around freely. Plus, they keep them crowded at the border for hours just to get a stamp so they can go into isolation.

They could have put them all in hotels, one per room, so nothing spreads if someone is infected. Thank God we at least have hotels; just station a few cops around the place so nobody escapes and you're done. They were closed anyway, and at least people (cooks, cleaners, etc., even on a reduced scale) would still have jobs.

Just so we're clear and you don't come swinging at me, I'm not saying this is *just* the flu, and yeah, take care of yourself and everyone else. But with all that "above average intelligence" you claim to have, it seems like you've forgotten where you actually live. It's easy for you to talk when you've got a secure job and, luckily, enough work lined up for the long haul, as you put it.

Now, try putting yourself in the shoes of someone with five kids who loses their job because of all this. No savings, living paycheck to paycheck on near minimum wage. For us—meaning the quarter or fifth of the population living right on the edge—we're definitely about to fall over it.

You're also ignoring the other side of the picture. You see it on the news all the time, but they diagnose maybe 100 people with cancer every day; lately, that's dropped to 10 or 20 because nobody wants to go in for checkups. Cancer mortality is around 50%, whereas this is around 2%—and even that might be an underestimate since we don't know how many people are infected if they aren't getting tested. We might save a few hundred lives now, only to lose thousands later because of missed diagnoses for cancer or other illnesses if this drags on much longer.

Look, I’m with you on this—and honestly, I’m probably the first person to step up and say that we shouldn't just grind everything to a halt.

And we really need to get certain things back to normal—you know, the stuff that actually matters for the economy or the healthcare system... everything else is just noise.

Look, when people start whining that this is just like a bad case of the flu, or acting like their life is falling apart because they haven't seen their girlfriend in six days... honestly, those people have no idea what actual hardship looks like. They don't know the first thing about real struggle.

Look, these kinds of bans aren't just some local invention of ours—honestly, most countries are playing by the exact same playbook.

When you take our collective mindset into account—you know, the way we all operate—places like those local dive bars and the neighborhood betting parlors could easily spiral into a total disaster.

Jesse Hughes6 said:Viruses are generally incredibly hardy against external elements, mostly because they aren't even "alive" in the traditional sense. The real question isn't about surface survival, but rather when and under what specific conditions this thing becomes infectious. And since we have zero data on this particular strain, anything else is just pure speculation, so no, we can't draw any meaningful conclusions from such superficial data.

We don't actually know that; we're just making educated guesses for two main reasons:
1. This is our first encounter with this specific strain, so there's no baseline data to pull from.
2. We don't have an accurate count of how many people are actually infected, given that nobody is testing for it.

That response wasn't directed at you; I was quoting the post I was replying to.
For the record, I'm also staying put, though I'm a skeptic by nature, so I maintain a certain level of doubt regarding how information is packaged and presented. I also feel that during that first week when restaurants were ordered to close, I wasn't endangering a single child by walking alone or riding my bike, avoiding crowded playgrounds and stuff like that—all while practicing good hygiene and disinfecting, even if we weren't particularly filthy to begin with.
Now, more and more credible sources—including the WHO—are confirming it: the virus doesn't just float around randomly; it spreads through the saliva of an infected person. Wash your hands and stop touching your eyes and nose with dirty hands.

Actually, we *do* know the conditions for infection: contact with a host's mucous membranes...

How is it "pure guesswork" when you're comparing nine days of "life" for Corona against the actual lifespan of an influenza virus?

I'll say it again: I am writing this from the perspective that this isn't like the flu, despite how hard some people insist it is...

Jesse Hughes6 said:Viruses are generally incredibly hardy against external elements, mostly because they aren't even "alive" in the traditional sense. The real question isn't about surface survival, but rather when and under what specific conditions this thing becomes infectious. And since we have zero data on this particular strain, anything else is just pure speculation, so no, we can't draw any meaningful conclusions from such superficial data.

We don't actually know that; we're just making educated guesses for two main reasons:
1. This is our first encounter with this specific strain, so there's no baseline data to pull from.
2. We don't have an accurate count of how many people are actually infected, given that nobody is testing for it.

That response wasn't directed at you; I was quoting the post I was replying to.
For the record, I'm also staying put, though I'm a skeptic by nature, so I maintain a certain level of doubt regarding how information is packaged and presented. I also feel that during that first week when restaurants were ordered to close, I wasn't endangering a single child by walking alone or riding my bike, avoiding crowded playgrounds and stuff like that—all while practicing good hygiene and disinfecting, even if we weren't particularly filthy to begin with.
Now, more and more credible sources—including the WHO—are confirming it: the virus doesn't just float around randomly; it spreads through the saliva of an infected person. Wash your hands and stop touching your eyes and nose with dirty hands.

Scientific analyses are being conducted, and they're increasing every single day... meaning scientists are moving forward and gathering fresh intel...

Jesse Hughes6 said:Viruses are generally incredibly hardy against external elements, mostly because they aren't even "alive" in the traditional sense. The real question isn't about surface survival, but rather when and under what specific conditions this thing becomes infectious. And since we have zero data on this particular strain, anything else is just pure speculation, so no, we can't draw any meaningful conclusions from such superficial data.

We don't actually know that; we're just making educated guesses for two main reasons:
1. This is our first encounter with this specific strain, so there's no baseline data to pull from.
2. We don't have an accurate count of how many people are actually infected, given that nobody is testing for it.

That response wasn't directed at you; I was quoting the post I was replying to.
For the record, I'm also staying put, though I'm a skeptic by nature, so I maintain a certain level of doubt regarding how information is packaged and presented. I also feel that during that first week when restaurants were ordered to close, I wasn't endangering a single child by walking alone or riding my bike, avoiding crowded playgrounds and stuff like that—all while practicing good hygiene and disinfecting, even if we weren't particularly filthy to begin with.
Now, more and more credible sources—including the WHO—are confirming it: the virus doesn't just float around randomly; it spreads through the saliva of an infected person. Wash your hands and stop touching your eyes and nose with dirty hands.

I'm not staying home; I'm working... my wife works from home because we have an office set up...

And how exactly are you going to explain to a kid not to touch their nose, eyes, or mouth? You can tell an adult, sure, but it's a much harder sell for a two, three, or four-year-old...

No, the virus attacks via droplets AND contaminated surfaces... if you're careless and basically "invite" it in yourself...

It’s not quite that black and white...

Sam Green73 said:Thanks for stepping up to help out. 🙂

I just realized—now that I’m not stuck playing moderator anymore—I can finally just toss him on my Block list.
Honestly, the forum discussions feel way more sane this way.
Give it a shot; it’s practically a spiritual awakening. 🕺

He’s not my headache anymore, and he doesn't have to be yours either. 🕺

So, besides whining about the forum like a toddler to avoid an actual debate, you've now decided to use the block button on me and the other members who actually asked you to Argument your points...

That really says a lot...

I never claimed to be some saint, but at least I don't pretend to be a moral authority while leaving behind a trail of posts like yours—where you just go straight for the throat of whoever you're talking to...

Funny how you didn't find that worth commenting on...😉

coastaltiger72 said:That’s how you were talking to me yesterday—that's how you should talk to your own people back home, you know.

Well, the people at my house actually know how to follow a conversation—they don't suddenly start dragging in random topics we weren't even discussing, like some fifteen-year-old sedan when the whole debate is about brand-new cars or anniversary editions...

So, basically, once you ran out of actual things to say, you pivoted to talking about fifteen-year-old cars that hadn't been mentioned once in the entire thread...

coastaltiger72 said:[
and this is what you said to another user. That user wasn't even addressing you, yet you just jumped on them like a wild animal. If someone is trolling, that's what moderators are for—it's not your place to act like that..

Exactly...

Because the guy made a point, and then instead of providing an Argument, he started twisting reality... and dodging the question...

To the point where, instead of having an actual reasoned discussion, he chooses to throw a toddler-style tantrum on the forum and just put people on ignore... it really just shows his ability to hold a conversation, nothing more...

"Oh, I'm not a moderator... no, I'm not..."

Now, go ahead and find posts from that same person you're defending where they tell others they're trolling or derailing discussions and whatnot... just tell me, are they a moderator?

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coastaltiger72 said:[

and the way you treat other users like that. There's more too and you called him out just because he was a moderator. You were constantly going off-topic there and picking on users...

No, I called him out because he was using his moderator authority to hand out bans while he was actively participating in the debate...

He was attacking people ad hominem, trolling them, and then when people reacted, he'd just slap them with a ban hammer...

There are plenty of posts proving that...

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Well, here we go again... you're swinging at thin air...

coastaltiger72 said:[
your behavior toward other users here is totally out of line—honestly, I’d ban you for good if I could. I’ve seen how you act in a few posts, so I can only imagine how you carry yourself in other threads.

And personally, I’ve noticed that you still haven't provided a single shred of proof for those lies about handing out grades or claiming to be an expert in American linguistics...

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Joshua Gray75 said:Who was it that predicted you’d eventually end up in here arguing with yourself?🤔
Your last five posts back-to-back pretty much confirm it...

I just dropped in to break up the monotony... 😁

Feel free to carry on...

That was written by people whose only real talent is spreading slander...

And while the crowd is out there blathering about how this is like some kind of flu—even though they don't have a single shred of evidence to back it up, they're just doing it because they can't see my girlfriend—I'm right here to logically show them they're talking nonsense...

My last five posts aren't an argument with myself; they're just a reaction to a bunch of ignorant people who only care about their own skin...

Because conformism isn't what it used to be...

And to get where they're going, they won't hesitate to peddle a mountain of lies and stupidity..