Posts by Adam Collins4

Jesse Hughes6 said:And so what? We have a lifeless clump of protein and RNA—otherwise known as a virus—settling on a surface and staying there. Who knows. Where exactly is it supposed to go or how is it even meant to vanish?
The real question is how infectious that virus actually is and for how long. And we simply don't know.
The WHO claims transmission happens via droplets, not through aerosolized particles floating in the air or jumping from person to person. So, if you've touched a "contaminated" surface, just don't touch your face and wash your hands.

We’re doing just fine entertaining ourselves, reading, and playing. We even have a Facebook group for our local preschool where they post all sorts of educational activities.
But obviously, that's all happening inside the house—though luckily we have a patio so he can get some fresh air and run around—and it doesn't come close to playing with peers all day long. He misses his friends, and a kid can't wrap his head around why he isn't allowed outside. Why he can't ride his bike, play with his buddies, go to the beach to throw rocks in the ocean, or just hike in nature. He doesn't understand any of it, and THAT is what makes it hard. It's not difficult because I'm struggling to be home with him. The sheer amount of energy built up during the day is massive with nowhere to burn it off; the kid is frustrated and his moods are constantly shifting. And I'm talking about a relatively mellow child, so I don't even want to imagine what it would be like if he were one of those high-energy types.

That bit of info is actually huge—it tells us a lot about how resilient the virus is against external factors...

Which means we can finally push back against the idiots claiming this is just like the flu. I mean, how long does the flu virus even hang around on surfaces? Exactly...

Then there's the infectivity rate. With the flu, you're looking at a max of maybe 1.7, whereas with this mess, we're talking a max of 4...

But of course, that doesn't stop the geniuses from insisting this is just a seasonal flu.

Jesse Hughes6 said:And so what? We have a lifeless clump of protein and RNA—otherwise known as a virus—settling on a surface and staying there. Who knows. Where exactly is it supposed to go or how is it even meant to vanish?
The real question is how infectious that virus actually is and for how long. And we simply don't know.
The WHO claims transmission happens via droplets, not through aerosolized particles floating in the air or jumping from person to person. So, if you've touched a "contaminated" surface, just don't touch your face and wash your hands.

We’re doing just fine entertaining ourselves, reading, and playing. We even have a Facebook group for our local preschool where they post all sorts of educational activities.
But obviously, that's all happening inside the house—though luckily we have a patio so he can get some fresh air and run around—and it doesn't come close to playing with peers all day long. He misses his friends, and a kid can't wrap his head around why he isn't allowed outside. Why he can't ride his bike, play with his buddies, go to the beach to throw rocks in the ocean, or just hike in nature. He doesn't understand any of it, and THAT is what makes it hard. It's not difficult because I'm struggling to be home with him. The sheer amount of energy built up during the day is massive with nowhere to burn it off; the kid is frustrated and his moods are constantly shifting. And I'm talking about a relatively mellow child, so I don't even want to imagine what it would be like if he were one of those high-energy types.

You’re barking up the wrong tree here. I have five kids...

And I haven't put them—or any elderly folks nearby—in any kind of danger...not even slightly.

It just seems like the crowd shouting that this is "just like the flu" is mostly people who can't handle being away from their girlfriends for a little while—so they start acting like characters out of GTA, talking about breaking lockdowns and causing chaos...

Let them break them. There are fines for that, too.

Kenneth Jones70 said:Oh, come on, how could I not?

First off—I've been there too, dealing with a trashed apartment—and honestly, common sense dictates you just get out of a sketchy neighborhood.

It’s been over a week now—still shaking, and the kids are still waking up screaming in the middle of the night.

When are we all actually going to get tested if we've been around people who were positive? You know, the ones who didn't even show symptoms but only got flagged because someone else in their circle was feeling sick—then maybe we can start taking this flu threat seriously.

So, I'm guessing I was definitely exposed, but my immune system pretty much stepped up and handled business. It turns out—well, this is how the whole knot slowly starts to unravel.

I’m guessing the actual number of people carrying the virus is way higher—maybe even double what they're saying?

This testing thing is honestly the biggest load of nonsense ever.

So you're living with someone who tested positive, but you don't have any symptoms yet—well, they won't even bother testing you until you actually start feeling sick. Just great.

Honestly, having a test like that would be a total game-changer—you know, one that shows the percentage of people who test positive for the virus but won't actually end up getting sick. Plus, you could use those results to feel way more confident about being safe the next time around.

In the end, we’re basically building herd immunity through this whole mess—but everyone's just going to give the credit to the quarantine.

Some idiots in front of Target are handing out entry numbers to people, and then when you leave Target, you just hand the same number right back. It’s ridiculous—it's like handing someone a tray covered in germs.
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And that little bit that sprays onto your hand—it's like it's not even there.

Still calling it "just a flu," huh?

How long are we going to deal with this stupidity?

How much longer are you going to deny the mortality rate and the infection levels? How long will you ignore the desperation of healthcare workers in the hardest-hit cities who are saying they're right on the edge?

Give us a few more scenes like that when the seasonal flu hits, and then we'll see if it's "exactly the same."

Anthony Jackson2 said:Invoking death tolls in Italy is the ultimate proof of ignorance—just pure lack of understanding. People like that should be banned from any kind of debate altogether.

So, where’s the actual argument here?

I could just take that exact sentence of yours, slap a "not" in front of it to flip the meaning entirely, and suddenly I'm some kind of genius...

In the meantime—while we're playing word games—people are actually dying and healthcare workers are reaching their absolute breaking point...

Meanwhile, you've got folks in your circle denying reality or claiming this is nothing more than a bad case of the flu...

By all means, go ahead and try to show me how a common flu causes this level of total systemic collapse in the American healthcare system... if you can.

driftingstag84 said:Mr. Adam Collins4 is spinning his wheels and asking questions again. ☕
Here, read this:
https://www.usatoday.com/news/virus-stats-update-1390033

Rambling?

Maybe I’m "rambling" to people who clearly can't grasp basic written English...

Or maybe it's just those folks barking nonsense about how this is "just like the flu"...

Honestly, watching you all mess around with these half-baked theories is exhausting—right up until the moment this virus actually hits you or someone close to you...

If you aren't capable of wrapping your head around reality, then we really don't have anything left to talk about...

wiredotter89 said:Maybe, or maybe not. 😛
It’s not like my entire life fell apart; mostly just some concerts and nights out.

I would, because I’d be in the minority of the absolute minority.

The first source on Google says 18 million people. What is that supposed to mean to me?

So, why the complaining...

You're right where you are now—in the same boat as everyone else—so just try to enjoy it while you can.

The world hasn't stopped spinning, and we aren't made of glass, can't handle a little bit of friction, right?

dustymarlin10 said:This isn't even his first rodeo.

On top of the constant, annoying nitpicking, he’s also famous for being arrogant and insulting anyone who doesn't see things his way.

That’s why a lot of people have him on ignore.

Actually, I know someone just like him in the real world.
He acts like he's the smartest guy in the room, won't let anyone else get a word in, and loves lecturing everyone on how they should be following these rules.
But if you actually dig a little deeper, he’s got like six people crammed into a ten-foot office at his firm.
See, when it comes down to his own bank account and his own money, suddenly all those other precautions don't seem to apply.
He's always looking out for number one.

Yeah, I definitely am—especially when it comes to people who just refuse to look at the actual facts. It’s hard not to get a bit arrogant when you're staring down someone who ignores a solid argument just to keep banging on about their own nonsense...

You know those people who act like they’re going through some massive tragedy just because they haven't seen someone in six days? It’s honestly hilarious—they’ll be out there making a huge scene, claiming this whole thing is just like a common flu, while acting like their world is ending. Total nonsense.

dustymarlin10 said:This isn't even his first rodeo.

On top of the constant, annoying nitpicking, he’s also famous for being arrogant and insulting anyone who doesn't see things his way.

That’s why a lot of people have him on ignore.

Actually, I know someone just like him in the real world.
He acts like he's the smartest guy in the room, won't let anyone else get a word in, and loves lecturing everyone on how they should be following these rules.
But if you actually dig a little deeper, he’s got like six people crammed into a ten-foot office at his firm.
See, when it comes down to his own bank account and his own money, suddenly all those other precautions don't seem to apply.
He's always looking out for number one.

And once again, you’re spot on—I definitely fall outside the bell curve when it comes to intelligence and raw capability, at least within the very specific niche I spend my life in...

Look, just to be clear—unlike the crowd you’re busy defending who keep insisting this is nothing more than a glorified flu—I’ve actually done the legwork. I’ve burned through mountains of articles, combed through endless reports, and watched every available video coming out of Italy, France, and Germany. For me, there's no "lost in translation" issue here—all those languages mean exactly the same thing when you're looking at the actual data.

And here you all are, still spouting that nonsense about how it’s just like having the flu... honestly, it's embarrassing.

Just watch a few clips—you don't even need to follow what they’re actually saying—but just look at the sheer desperation in those people's eyes. Seriously. And then you can go right back to claiming that anyone calling this out is being dramatic... if that's how you want to play it.

dustymarlin10 said:This isn't even his first rodeo.

On top of the constant, annoying nitpicking, he’s also famous for being arrogant and insulting anyone who doesn't see things his way.

That’s why a lot of people have him on ignore.

Actually, I know someone just like him in the real world.
He acts like he's the smartest guy in the room, won't let anyone else get a word in, and loves lecturing everyone on how they should be following these rules.
But if you actually dig a little deeper, he’s got like six people crammed into a ten-foot office at his firm.
See, when it comes down to his own bank account and his own money, suddenly all those other precautions don't seem to apply.
He's always looking out for number one.

If you actually bother to scratch beneath the surface here, you could probably get slapped with a defamation lawsuit just based on that opening sentence alone. Honestly—if you keep trying to push these mindless accusations that aren't even rooted in reality, all you’re doing is digging a hole for yourself. You're basically handing them all the evidence they need to take you to court for nothing more than a smear campaign.

Pray to God that we get more people like me—because as long as we keep padding the federal budget, there’ll be plenty of cash left over to fund that little stock market getaway you’ve been planning.😉

Look, let’s be real—once we hit the brakes, your little flameout is gonna happen right along with us.

It’s just part of your whole deal, isn't it? That constant urge to bolt and go into hiding. Honestly, you’ve always been like this—whenever things actually start getting loud or heavy, you suddenly find some "urgent work obligation" to hide behind. It’s your classic move. And clearly, you're doing the exact same thing right now—already mapping out your little escape route before the dust even settles.

P.S.

So, picture this: you’ve got 30 people squeezed into a space of over 10,000 square feet—which, let's be honest, isn't exactly a sprawling campus—and then half of them are already sitting at home on paid time off. Then, just when you think you've got a handle on the chaos, the rotation kicks in. One group is chilling at home while the other bunch is stuck on the floor running production. It’s a total revolving door.

Every single day, you’ve got two nurses spending half their shift just disinfecting everything in sight—it's relentless—and then, once the shift is finally over, they have to go through the whole process all over again to sanitize the entire place. It's constant.

Unlike you—since you’ve clearly already mapped out your entire escape route—my company could actually survive without a single order or delivery for at least 15 months... so, just curious, how long do you think yours could hold out?

wiredotter89 said:Was it not in my best interest? Or maybe because I split my time between multiple addresses?

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Even if 30 million people were to die in Italy, that’s only 0.04% of their population. If a similar catastrophe hit the US, we're looking at roughly 1,500 people. A huge chunk of those would likely be critically ill patients who, frankly, wouldn't have survived much longer anyway. It sounds horrific, sure, but we aren't going to lose even 2% of the population.

The sheer level of fear-mongering surrounding this situation is infuriating... and forcing citizens through this ordeal with these permits is pure torture. All of this is just stressing people out, which is arguably worse than the virus itself. People are going to deal with more fallout from the stress of this than from the actual illness.

The priority should be isolating the elderly. Thankfully, my parents understood that; my grandmother already stocked up for Easter so they can spend the next two months staying safe without having to step foot outside.😁

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So, it just wasn't convenient for you, was it?

But now you're crying about it because your little plans didn't go exactly the way you wanted...

Next time, maybe try using a bit of foresight, and you might actually play your hand better...

Plus, from what I can see, someone here—specifically you—was technically breaking the law because you weren't registered where you were supposed to be...

But hey, as long as you look out for your own backside first, right?

The second part of that is so incredibly selfish I don't even want to waste my breath commenting on it...

Try shifting your focus away from your own self-interest and toward protecting your family—and heaven forbid, keep the infection away from them too... then maybe you'd have something worth singing about.

My little troublemakers were feeling pretty mischievous today, so now the yard is spotless...

I’ve got a gut feeling they’ll make smarter choices next time—there are still plenty of "zones" left to clean up...😬

My wife and I had a good laugh watching the little geniuses struggle with the grabbers and all that gear... though, honestly, I ended up just getting worked up myself because it turns out I’ve raised a bunch of damn Lazars... even if that was part of their protest tactic—trying out those "we don't know how to do this" routines...

It didn't work...

Melissa Ward said:Look, nobody truly knows the real number of infected folks over in Italy. All we really see are the numbers from those being tested—but honestly, until you test the entire population, those figures don't carry much weight. It's like a math trap; if you only test the people who end up dying, you'll end up with a 100% mortality rate!

Mentioning the Diamond Princess is actually a great point because they actually tested everyone on that ship.

Look, once you stop cutting my posts short, maybe we can actually have a conversation...

Until then, bye-bye...

The DP isn't a valid comparison because the sample size is way too small...

People who keep banging their heads against the wall—like you, and whoever else is trying to draw parallels to the flu—are basically ignoring every single fact that proves this has nothing to do with the flu...

From the spread velocity and contagiousness levels to the mortality rates and how fast it progresses... not to mention how long this crap lingers on surfaces...

Since when does any strain of influenza stick around for 9 days?

Alright, I have to admit—Capak comes off a little irritatingly condescending, like he's looking down his nose at everyone...

Joshua Gray75 said:I find myself wondering—and I’d love to hear what the rest of you think on this—what exactly drives people to pull the trigger? It isn't just about the impulse... there seems to be something deeper, something more complex behind that split-second decision to resort to violence. Why does it happen?
Well, why don't you just go ahead and ask them... there are plenty of comments right there in the article—I read through them myself, after all—so just ask them why they’re losing it...
I was reading through some reports regarding the upcoming June developments—specifically those concerning the priority shifts within the local government—and it really makes you wonder about the direction we're heading... There seems to be a significant push from the administration to reorganize certain regional priorities, much like how federal agencies might shift focus during a transition period. It’s one of those situations where the bureaucracy moves at its own pace, regardless of what the public actually needs on the ground. You see these high-level discussions in Washington, D.C., and they trickle down until they hit the local county level, often losing all their original intent along the way. It feels a bit like watching a slow-motion collision between policy and reality. One moment everything is supposedly under control, and the next, the entire framework is being restructured under the guise of "optimization." It’s quite a delicate dance, isn't it? One can only hope that the actual impact on everyday citizens isn't as disruptive as the paperwork suggests... though, based on past experience, optimism might be a bit misplaced.

But actually, what I really wanted to write was this: that whole statement about a "quarantine until June"—or however Capak phrased it—feels to me like nothing more than a series of "test balloons"...
Once the restrictions start to ease up—likely well before the middle of May—and Capak becomes the hero we’ll all be cheering for from our balconies...
We would be grateful.🙏

I've seen this play out more times than I can count—but clearly, it still works. It’s that classic "carrot and stick" approach... effective, if nothing else.
Most times, a quick fix just isn't enough to spark lasting change in people—not when you're trying to cultivate genuinely positive attitudes toward their work, their daily routines... or really anything else, for that matter.
But for some reason—it seems to have left its mark on our national mentality...
But then again, I’m certainly no sociologist... let them deal with that side of things.

I'm thinking along pretty much the same lines...

Classic crowd psychology...

It's much easier to say June 1st, and then pivot to the scenario you described on May 15th...

Than it is to say April 15th or May 1st, only to backtrack and say June 1st later.

And deal with the risk of unrest.

Steven Hill2 said:Stop lying and intentionally spreading panic. Like Rudan said, the mortality rate will be around 0.5%.
If that’s enough justification for you to push Stalinist tactics, fine—but don't assume everyone agrees.

Melissa Ward said:Look, stop spreading misinformation like that. What do you mean, 10% mortality? Estimates fluctuate, sure, but we’re looking at closer to 1% or even less. Most people who catch the virus breeze through it without any lasting issues, and they never even get tested, so they don't even show up in the data. And honestly, the people who do pass away are mostly folks over 70 with underlying conditions who likely would have succumbed to almost any virus anyway.
Just do a quick Google search on the Diamond Princess.

What are the current infection numbers in Italy, and how many deaths have we seen so far?

Alright, let's keep this moving then—what's the actual mortality rate for the flu?

So, what's the next move then—trying to figure out which one is just a nasty case of the flu and which one is actually the Corona?

I mean, honestly, it really is just like the flu...

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What kind of absolute nonsense are they pulling out of their asses just to ensure that people over 70—who are already dealing with health issues—end up dying from some random virus?

Look, I personally have family members who are well over 70, and I don't want even a single percent of this... just because some people can't seem to stay put at home.

hollowmason64 said:You don't really have to, but you can always check in through the e-visitor system just so they know you've arrived.

I honestly feel like in small towns like this, people could just work out a little agreement. It wouldn't be hard to arrange for everyone to get a pass once a month just to handle those big, massive shopping trips. For all the everyday little things, the local corner stores are perfectly fine.
I mean, there's really no need to make a trip to the next town over just to go shopping every single week. It feels like a bit much.
At the end of the day, you've got all these small family farms scattered all over the country. If you look through those local Facebook groups, they’ll offer you just about anything living—I'm talking everything from fresh produce right down to little chicks.
Honestly, you might be better off just ordering from one of those local guys. They’ve already got all the passes sorted out, so they can handle the delivery without any hassle.

Are people actually losing it? Why on earth are wealthy people resorting to violence? Is it because they don't have to lift a finger, just sitting around at home all day staring at the TV or playing video games? It’s honestly a tragedy. Just imagine what kind of chaos would break out if things really went south.
What @Alfie was getting at—just put more politely—is that they’re nothing but a bunch of spoiled brats.
I already mentioned this on another thread, but honestly, it feels like nobody really gets what it’s actually like working under these conditions. Imagine being wrapped up in a mask and rubber gloves for eight hours straight, constantly spraying yourself down with different types of alcohol just to survive. You can't even take a sip of water from a bottle without being paranoid; if you touch that damn plastic bottle with hands that haven't been properly disinfected, and there's a virus on it, it’s going to sit on that surface for three days. It's just a matter of time before you accidentally ingest it. Then there's the mental toll—you find yourself looking at everyone else as a potential carrier. You start getting scared to even touch your own head because you lose track of whether you actually sanitized your hands or not, and then you end up just dousing yourself in more alcohol anyway. Jbte, if they tried to give me a breathalyzer test at work, I’d probably blow a massive number just from breathing in all those alcohol fumes.
It’s like, once you finally step through your own front door, you just want to strip everything off. All that weight, all those layers—you just shed it all the second you're home.
You end up wasting an entire free day just standing in line at the checkout counters.
But honestly, the biggest issue is whether you actually have enough variety at the grocery store to make things bearable. It’s tough because you can't even get together with your friends for a backyard BBQ or grab a few drinks to blow off steam, and that's when people really start to crack.
It’s just selfish, self-imposed isolation.
"Out there," there's a massive group of people working their tails off just to keep the system barely functioning. They're paying a hell of a price with their mental health, praying to God this all wraps up as soon as possible. For everyone else, the struggle is being stuck inside waiting for it to end, fearing they might lose it first.
To anyone claiming they’re about to "snap"—I’d love to see you try working under these conditions. I'd ask you exactly how long it would take before you started whining to be locked back inside your house.
Don't you feel any shame?

What are you talking about? It's just a slightly intense flu, but he *has* to see his girlfriend because he hasn't seen her in six days, and now he's in GTA mode, acting like a total rebel against the lockdowns...

Sarcasm mode OFF...

Like I said, I hope people like that never had anything truly terrible happen to them in their lives, otherwise they would have been run over by a train a long time ago...

In the age of the internet, crying because you can't see someone...

Exactly...

The real issue is that everyone is just looking out for their own skin and their own little interests...

If someone actually brought a virus home because they felt they absolutely had to see some girl or hit up the grocery store—since, you know, there's better selection there and plenty of germs—then we’d really see what happens...

I was out on my bike today over at Mrežnica, checking out my favorite brewery and those waterfalls—those cascades—just sitting there thinking how nice it would be to sit down and have a glass of some perfectly chilled Škrlet... and remembering how I used to manage to pull that off from time to time this time last year...

But damn it, it's just not happening... and I'm sure as hell not going to play along...

Nicole James said:You can't go to your own people—yeah, and that's exactly the point. You can't go to your own because you might infect them, then your family ends up in the hospital, then they infect the doctor, then the doctor goes to cardiology and infects twenty critically ill patients...

Oh sure, because it's just like the flu...

Since the flu manages to wreck the healthcare system every single year just like this...

Joseph Taylor11 said:Bravo... because clearly, that matters so much...
My mistake—so please, feel free to keep "violating" common sense. It feels to me like you'll be picking fights with yourself pretty soon... two or three weeks max.

I'm not even arguing...

I'm just warning people that if they can't handle being away from everyone for a week without losing their absolute minds, there might be something fundamentally wrong with their mental state...

And honestly, what happens when life throws something actually catastrophic at you?

Yet here we are, with a crowd crying about how this is just like the flu...

Even though it has zero connection to the flu...

But sure, go ahead and break through the lockdowns and act like idiots... people like that deserve penalties so heavy their grandkids will still be paying them off for those "genius" moves...

Larry Walker24 said:Word on the street is we're stuck in quarantine until June 1st—now Vili just announced 🤦

But look, we aren't even in a lockdown. If we actually were, the rules would be completely different...

Joseph Taylor11 said:Getting to the center of town - 3.7 miles
Driving to the next city over - 1.6 miles
Heading to the nearest major metro area - 6.2 miles.

And right now, you're definitely in the minority here—so let's skip the demagoguery.
Go check out the news sites where they published that interview with Capak—he mentioned that things MIGHT start easing up by early June—and just look at the comments. People are already losing their minds.
I'm genuinely curious what's going to happen, say, at the beginning of May?

First off, learn how to spell someone's last name... that should be the bare minimum here...

Second, I couldn't care less about the comments from the crowd that can't grab a coffee anymore, or the idiots who would drive to another state just to hunt down some germs or because there's better selection in the grocery stores over there...

Demagoguery?

That's exactly what you and the people who can't handle being slightly isolated are selling...

We've turned into a society of soft crybabies because that's how we've been conditioned... honestly, if real trouble actually hits, 90% of you whining right now about a little bit of social distancing wouldn't stand a chance at surviving....

Kenneth Jones70 said:Please—just move on from this thread.

If you’re getting a kick out of us being locked down because of some exaggerated nonsense, go find another thread to post in.

Me, along with probably 90% of the sensible people left, agrees that this whole travel ban thing makes zero sense.

Once the government shows they're actually terrified of this flu and starts testing everyone who was near an infected person—instead of just waiting for symptoms to pop up—then maybe I'll believe there's a reason to worry.

Right now, it’s all just overkill that’s going to ruin everything.

This isn't a war, and these stay-at-home orders are about as stupid as it gets.

The media is just pushing doom and gloom; nobody’s talking about the 90% of people recovering at home with barely any symptoms.

Seriously, just drop it and leave this thread alone.

I'm dying to know what your criteria are for being "smart" while you're busy rambling on about how this is just like the flu...

And you're totally ignoring what happened in Italy...

Man, do you even grasp that this crap has a mortality rate of up to 10% among those infected, yet here you are acting like it's just a seasonal bug...

I'm telling you, God forbid you pass this to someone close to you just because you don't have enough sense to conform... you'd be singing a much different tune then...

It's the same story with these geniuses breaking self-isolation... they think they're "too cool" to listen to anyone telling them what to do...

Just be grateful if your biggest problem ends up being that you won't see someone for a little while...

driftingfox6 said:I'm with you! Not only am I unable to get to my partner, but I also have to pay more for groceries if I can even find any.

Vauuuu, shame on them...

And now—God forbid—imagine if you accidentally passed a virus to someone else just because you decided to wander through stores or go out on a date with a girl...

People have become incredibly selfish...

And everything is fine as long as it’s happening to someone else, right?

Good grief, you haven't seen the footage coming out of Italy—you know what happens when everyone just does whatever the hell they want?