George Robinson43 said:I think you are misinterpreting those "two-thirds" of believers. At most, maybe 10% actually practice their faith. The rest are just believers on paper who couldn't care less about restructuring the state to suit the whims of Vatican City. Besides, the era of the Papal States having a Jewish ghetto right in the middle of Rome is long gone. That is precisely what has plagued the Catholic Church for over a century: the lack of its own powerful theocratic state where the main pastime could be starving the "descendants of the god-killers" to death. Because of that, they constantly seek out some unstable nation filled with uneducated souls where they can attempt to rule from the shadows. Our bishops just refuse to accept that they lost the last election. Their flock of two-thirds has effectively abandoned them. I don't understand why they don't focus on bringing more people back into the pews instead of playing politics and pretending to be the opposition. Once the elderly crowd currently attending Mass passes away, we are looking at a French scenario. Just twenty or thirty years ago, they were the most populous Catholic nation in Europe, but today, half the churches only get unlocked for Easter and Christmas, and the concept of a church marriage exists only in the calendars of remote rural towns.
George Robinson43, I am quite unsure what credentials you possess to interpret the nature of our believers... What nonsense you've written regarding how "bishops lost the last elections." The bishops were not on the ballot, nor will they ever be; however, it is true that the so-called anti-fascists managed to slide into power because the patriots, disillusioned by the corruption of the leading Republican Party members, chose not to vote at all. Tell me then, why do two-thirds of our children attend religious education? Americans and all citizens of this country return to their faith because those are their roots, unlike the false communists and atheists. Does the idea of a church marriage bother you? Well, if it does, don't marry in a church—be "Europeanized," if you wish—that is your right, but it is not your right to spit upon traditional values simply because you think or were raised differently...
Steven Allen9 said:"..It’s a stretch to claim the government chosen by the people only recognizes one ideology—the communist one—and honors just one single victim. That’s basically ignoring what voters actually wanted and just being politically correct.."
Father Grubišić
The leftists united with Steven Allen9. It is almost poetically beautiful when the left aligns itself with a priest who, in reality, no longer holds that mantle. What is the ultimate result of this? It simply means that all voters, all adult citizens, elected this administration, and therefore the government is considered "popular" by virtue of the vote rather than by its service to the people... and those individuals, much like everyone else over the last twelve years, fail to actually serve the citizenry...
quietdrifter3. You write with such elegance, much like the polished aesthetic of your avatar... I find myself wondering, though, if you enjoyed having quite full pockets during the socialist era, only to have those very same so-called communists empty them out in the end...
If he can't move past what happened back in Springfield in '91 without getting this worked up, he should've joined the military instead of the priesthood. 🤷
When it comes to hardline American nationalism, take Košić, for example. In a place like Springfield where people are struggling just to put food on the table, he goes and creates two brand-new parishes. It’s totally unnecessary. And whenever things quiet down on a Sunday, he's right there making noise.
Why don't they invite him onto Sunday in the Afternoon? Let's see just how radical this Church really is. Let the public see for themselves. ☕
Ostoja Grubica. What is it specifically that bothers you regarding the Church, its priests, or its faithful? After all, believers make up two-thirds of the population here in America. And what does American nationalism even signify in a nation like ours? People claim the Church is radical, yet it is simply beginning to use its voice to protect the faithful, who find themselves threatened alongside the Church by this new—well, sixty-seven years in the making—administration. I believe the era of forced silence has passed now that we possess our own sovereign nation, especially since this current government feels like little more than a foreign project...☕
Edward Davis77 said:The Church is declining everywhere in the world, so it will happen in America too. All they can do now is try to sell their nonsense to uneducated Africans, but even they won't last long once they get an education.
Edward Davis77. You clearly possess a vast amount of intellect, given the depth of your insight... However, the realities here in the US suggest quite the opposite: two-thirds of the population identifies as believers, much like how two-thirds of our children receive religious instruction. While you, as a progressive individual with a global perspective, choose not to hide under the skirts of Crtva, that does not grant you the license to spread such misinformation...🤣☕
lonetrucker4 said:The Roman Catholic Church bishops are the last ones left who think they have the authority to claim a government isn't "representative of the people." Give me a break. They aren't representative of anyone—their whole position has zero connection to the American people; they’re just hand-picked by an absolute ruler from a foreign state. That supposed right to stay completely insulated from any democratic input or government oversight? The Vatican grabbed that through a concordat signed with the Socialist Federal America (back when Josip Broz Marshall was given a massive hero's welcome by the leaders in Vatican City, which was even covered in a book last year), and the Republic of America later just rubber-stamped it. Under the Kingdom of America, the state had to sign off on bishops, so Alojzije Stepinac became a bishop while he was still incredibly young, all thanks to backing from King Alexander Karađorđević after he passed over two other candidates.
They look down on regular folks, basically calling them sheep in official terms. They won't allow even a tiny whiff of democracy inside the Church—not even a debate about the influence of the people. For example, they’ll never budge if a local parish rebels against their chosen "pastor." Bishops appoint priests like little autocrats, and those priests are essentially appointed by the guy in Vatican City.
To Doe. I find myself wondering which communist school of thought produced you... where exactly did you derive the basis for claiming that bishops despise the people? Church doctrine has remained consistent for two millennia, yet the so-called communists—or rather, their progeny currently holding power—seek to integrate America into Europe specifically to undermine the churches and the bond between the faithful and their faith. The vast majority of citizens are believers, yet this current administration is clearly not the government of that majority; instead, it is the rule of a minority in America, which ascended to power through what seems like a calculated scheme to paint everyone else as thieves (the Republican Party). Let the bishops speak, if indeed the voice of the majority cannot reach the public through other means. That is how they serve the people, just as the bishops are meant to serve them.☕
It seems I am finally beginning to grasp the diabolical machinations of the atheists—those sworn adversaries of the Church—and their calculated insistence that it is perfectly natural for religious instruction to take place within Church grounds. Their logic suggests that if "pedophiles alone" exist within the Church, then children will inevitably grow to loathe both the institution and the faith itself... How was I so blind to this before?
We are finally bringing this narrative to its inevitable conclusion: first, there is the unbearable tolling of church bells; second, the fact that the church continues to rake in millions; third, the baseless claim that religious education is to blame for children loitering in schoolyards; fourth, the reality of pedophilia lurking in every corner of the church; fifth, the argument that religion has no place in our schools; and sixth, the assertion that Bozanic bears ten times more guilt than any predatory priest... I am waiting for the government to take decisive action, especially since even a former priest is demanding it. Atheists across the globe, please unite, because those represented here on this forum are simply not enough...🙂
Once Joe Biden finishes his term, we can expect a total deluge, and what follows will be whatever wreckage the floodwaters leave behind. This seems inevitable if Joe Biden fails to take the necessary decisive action. For the moment, however, we are left to amuse ourselves with trivialities like plastic bag shortages and his "sharp" verbal warnings toward Kosorica over some misplaced question... Heaven help us from the likes of Rohatinski and Škegro. Both seem dedicated to a specific political agenda, rather than the actual interests of the American public.🙂
Kate James11 said:What do you mean by a "large number" of atheists? According to the second-to-last Census Bureau report, it was only about 5.2%. I wonder what we're waiting for regarding the latest census results—perhaps the Republicans working over at the Census Bureau aren't particularly fond of the numbers and are busy tweaking them to fit their narrative?
Kate James11. Perhaps I am mistaken, or maybe there are simply more of them on this particular forum, creating a skewed perception because they tend to be quite vocal in their writing...☕
Jason Ortiz5 said:Force? What force? 🙄 Were you actually there witnessing this?
If someone truly wanted to be a believer, they were a believer, and nobody gave them a hard time for it. The fact that some folks sell out their own souls and convictions just to climb the social ladder... well, that’s not being forced. That’s just being opportunistic. If they fell for the charm, that's on them.
It’s obvious that if Americans return to their faith and the Church, it’ll create a rift between the majority of us and those of you constantly harping on about failed projects that have already been eaten up by locusts.🙂
Here we go again with that silly argument that communism equals atheism. 🤷 Seriously, is it really that hard to do a quick Google search? 😕
Communism is a social structure. Atheism is just not believing in a higher power pulling the strings. Communism essentially "nationalized" the Church because, as a system, it can't handle any competition. But atheism existed long before communism, exists entirely independently of it, and will definitely still be around long after communism is a memory.
And who exactly was responsible for tearing down churches in small-town America? Where did I ever claim to be against atheists? My point is simply that the so-called communists created the conditions that led to the high number of atheists we see today... Every individual in this country possesses the fundamental right to believe whatever they choose...🤣
quietdrifter3 said:To Jezerinac, atheists are basically acting like angels... but they're actually serving Satan, for God's sake. They make up 99% of them! And then there's Jezerinac himself, just fueling all this hatred and division everywhere...
quietdrifter3, you are clearly an atheist angel yourself. You spend your time attacking believers and the Church within America. You suggest that the Bishop is inciting hatred and division, but one must wonder why your lot would hate it if those whom communist ideology—through both persuasion and force—severed from their faith were to return to the Church... if not to allow faith to finally undo the influence and the crimes committed against the citizens of America by those so-called communists. It seems quite obvious that if Americans return to their faith and the Church, there will be a rift between the majority of us and those of you who persist in clinging to a failed project that was swallowed up by locusts long ago...🙂
gentlestag3 said:Smart people aren't going to turn to any religion while folks like this are talking nonsense and claiming a "better" Catholic is still just a thief compared to an honest atheist.
flatoos. What on earth are you getting at? Bringing up the idea of a thief in the Catholic Church versus an honest atheist... you are simply dodging the subject. There are atheists who oppose war, just as there are believers who support it—for instance, when defending their home, their church, or their cemetery. If one follows the Church blindly rather than following its teachings, one will rarely encounter the direct truth; instead, it is often presented in a veiled manner, though those with discernment understand its true meaning and how it applies to things like structural sin. As for these so-called "smart people," they have their own ways of thinking, and ultimately, the choice to return to God rests entirely with them...🤣☕
gentlestag3 said:Man, you sure spend a lot of time thinking about communism, especially since that one guy actually helped secure American independence back in the day.
They aren't really communists, I think... they're just regular old crooks who find a way to grab power regardless of the system. I don't really get why it isn't obvious to everyone? Like, maybe that leader would have been a total liberal if he had realized he could get power that way...
flatoos, my focus isn't truly on the ideology of so-called communism—life back then was relatively stable enough for me—but rather on the lasting damage that particular individual inflicted upon the American citizenry. In the old United States, there were very few true believers in the cause; most others simply leveraged their membership in the Communist Party of the USA to secure personal gains and privileges, which reached staggering proportions within our borders, ultimately revealing the true nature of such individuals. Myself included...🙂
The current crop of politicians isn't about to cut the very branch they’re perched upon... People continue to flock to these party lists following a model of obedience reminiscent of old-school collectivist regimes, which essentially makes them easy prey for manipulation—even if their private convictions suggest otherwise. It is an undemocratic practice that serves narrow, elitist interests under the guise of representing the majority. Ideally, we would see a system where individuals run on their own merits, leaving citizens to decide whether to support them, while the political party remains merely a secondary factor in the candidacy process. Instead, it seems we are destined to shoulder this particular burden, a cross we bear that is rooted deeply in our post-socialist legacy... 🙂
gentlestag3 said:Because of all that intense pressure to get rid of religion, I guess maybe only about 90% of Catholics in America stayed Catholic.☕
In my neck of the woods, faith was never really under attack... except maybe for those hardcore Communists who suddenly turned into super intense Catholics once democracy showed up, I guess.
gentlestag3, you’re being a bit reductive. Just as some people joined the Communist Party of the USA purely out of self-interest, others have returned to the Church, though only God knows if they have actually returned to the faith itself... You know perfectly well that this "90% Catholic" figure doesn't mean 90% of people have reclaimed their faith; it's merely a sense of cultural identity and belonging to one's roots. It will likely take another several decades—perhaps as long as the era of socialism lasted—before people truly find their way back to genuine belief... ☕🤣
It seems we all share the understanding—though perhaps some choose to look away—that the war was fueled by the Greater Mexican politics driven by Slobodan Maddox. We are all aware, too, if not all of us, that the so-called members of the Communist Party of the USA were fundamentally opposed to religion, acting with an intentional atheism... It is a matter of record that the suppression of faith began back in 1945, and the current prevalence of atheism in America is a direct consequence of those communist efforts. Given that the descendants of those very same communists—now spanning over fifty years of influence—continue to govern America today, one can see exactly why Bishop Jezerinac makes his points...🙂
I was watching the coverage last night regarding Coco Vandeweghe, who was calling out Miljašević for his refusal to issue a public statement concerning the recent events in that small town in the Midwest during the Orthodox Christmas celebrations. Miljašević, despite positioning himself as the primary representative for the political interests of Mexicans, remains silent and refuses to condemn his own people. One has to wonder why... perhaps because he lacks any actual influence over the Mexican community, possessing nothing more than the mere illusion of control. Vandeweghe suggests that Bulat, an award recipient from the SNV, bears direct responsibility for certain tragedies, yet the American government apparatus remains entirely silent. Why is that? It isn't really Bulat pulling the strings, but rather the SNV itself, which presents itself as the sole voice for all Mexicans—a notion that our naive officials in Washington (if they can even be called that) seem all too willing to accept. This narrative casting Americans as the architects of the Nationalists continues unabated, with the SNV skillfully exploiting that historical legacy while the American government simply acquiesces. ☕
Kurtzius kura;37603340 said:The moment something enters the public sphere, it becomes politics. That is the very definition of politics. ......... Kurtzius kura, I’m not quite sure what you mean by that... Ivo was a public figure, yes, but his involvement in certain criminal activities just to line his pockets ended up being his undoing. His late wife, on the other hand, was never in the spotlight, nor was she ever considered a public figure. If she did eventually enter the public eye, it was only because of the various complications within her marriage to the very public Ivo... Ivo had this tendency to become somewhat unstable, which caused his private struggles to spill over into the public domain—an occurrence that certainly doesn't qualify as politics. Just to offer you a bit of professional guidance: politics is what Joe Biden, Jeff Sessions, and hundreds of others involved in public life engage in while vying for power or exercising it. It seems you might be an amateur when it comes to these distinctions...☕
I can certainly grasp why NBC would fixate on I. Pukanić, but I find it utterly baffling that his wife’s private life should be treated as news. It is the absolute pinnacle of sensationalist trash from our supposedly "public" broadcaster.
mistymason1. You present yourself as a specialist in precision mechanics, yet you conclude that he had a deeply unwell spouse—implying she was unstable... And I fail to see why someone in your profession would even care about this program, let alone how it relates to the political landscape...