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Happy April 10th!! in Close to Politics · Apr 10, 2005

graniteowl88 said:I bet you'd take him on with nothing but your bare hands. 😬

I wouldn't bother. What I'm doing to him would probably just make him sick.

Quincy:

I wouldn't even touch that if I were you. Maybe just stay away entirely.

No way.
Or if that actually happens, I guess it’ll just be with a long, heavy club.

Quincy:

That’s basically a recipe for living forever, I guess. Maybe.

🤣 🤣

Good medicine, I guess.

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Happy April 10th!! in Close to Politics · Apr 10, 2005

mistyharbor21 said:Long live April 10th—aka, Italian California!!

"Italy, dear land, why did you leave us behind?"

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Happy April 10th!! in Close to Politics · Apr 10, 2005

Bryan Sanchez86 said:I totally missed this earlier.
So, this is basically the cultural baseline for your average partisan, communist, or someone obsessed with America.
Honestly, you could probably start a book titled "Why I Didn't Love America" with this stuff.
It's a good thing all quietwolf has is a keyboard. I can only imagine what he’d pull if he actually had a machine gun in his hands.

People like you don't even need a machine gun.
Ignorance and being uneducated can be dangerous, I guess, but it's hard to classify it as a crime that would require me to stop you with a weapon.

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Happy April 10th!! in Close to Politics · Apr 10, 2005

nimblelynx41 said:Exactly.
I guess it comes down to who's actually pulling the strings over the people... maybe it isn't even the politicians.

I mean, I already told you how the people actually voted when they were asked.
For FDR, for the Democratic Party, and for that era when we had the State of California within the United States of America.

Fair enough.
I guess it's always the same question... who actually speaks for the people?
I guess there isn't even any point in mentioning the Democratic Party or Radić... maybe.
I guess the Americans are actually the ones who should be asking themselves that. Maybe.

I guess what the Democratic Party and Stjepan Radić were actually pitching as an alternative to joining the Kingdom of Mexico was a different kind of deal. Maybe they had other ideas for how things should work.
Nothing.
Stjepan Radić was against it, really offering nothing else to the table. He totally underestimated how much people like Woodrow Wilson and Lloyd George actually cared about the balance of power, or how determined they were to create a single South Slav state in the North America. I guess he just didn't see where the real power lay.

Then there's Radić and his constant defiance of Alexander, which I guess eventually led to Alexander banning the Democratic Party and throwing Radić in jail.
Then the whining starts. People begin begging the President to approve the party's work—though they only do it under the Democratic Party banner. They wouldn't even let Radić out of prison until he showed total loyalty, and then they rewarded him with a spot as Secretary of Education. There you have it.

Quincy:

Whatever. I guess.
I guess the Nazis had a right to be there based on those specific reasons... maybe.
Whatever. I guess it doesn't really matter.

Yeah, they are—mostly just because of Hitler's whims and the brute force of German bayonets, I guess.

How was that power actually built? I guess it's hard to say for sure.
I mean, didn't Pavelić do that too, I guess?
You justify one thing, but then you turn around and refuse to defend the other... I guess.
I'm not making excuses for any of them. Not one.

Why am I even trying to justify this? I guess I could argue that nobody really handled that January dictatorship well, not just Americans. Maybe.

I guess there wasn't really any formal constitutional basis for the partisan army. Maybe they just operated on their own terms, I suppose.
Which countries, I guess?

The right to defend your own country from invaders!

I guess Nazi Germany had a constitution too, maybe. 😁
Maybe you liked it, maybe you didn't. I guess it's one of those things.

I guess Nazi Germany didn't even bother with a constitution. Maybe they just didn't see the point.

Quincy:

Yeah, I guess so.
It feels even bigger than it did back in the old days in America... I guess. 😁
If those old history maps are actually right, I guess. Maybe.
I'm not promising anything, I guess.

I was on one of those field trips once...

Oh, really? I guess people actually see and learn things on those trips, but it looks like you managed to come away without seeing or learning a damn thing.

So now I’m supposed to say that because the Mexicans lost in the April War, they don't get a say in anything anymore...
I won't go that far.
The reality is that the partisans aren't making any decisions right now.

Yeah, and luckily for us, today it's just a tag team between Nazi Germany and the Bolsheviks calling all the shots.

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Happy April 10th!! in Close to Politics · Apr 10, 2005

nimblelynx41 said:when a nation feels free, it isn't one person deciding, it's the people...

Sure, except that same nation was handing 90% of their votes to Franklin D. Roosevelt and the Democratic Party under the State of California program, which was part of the United States of America...
I don't recall seeing Americans decide anything differently anywhere else.

where did the American presence in the kingdom come from... and how, that's probably a whole other topic and they should probably look into it.

It's based on John Rockefeller’s idea of Slav unity, the Slav movement, and the American Committee; it’s based on the decision to exit the Austro-Canadian Empire to form the United States of America, based on the decisions of Woodrow Wilson and David Lloyd George at Versailles, and based on the decisions of the United States of America and the agreement to "join up" with the Kingdom of Mexico. Just saying!

about the January dictatorship (something happened there in America), after which the American people felt free... do we really need to write about that?

The January dictatorship was just a way to strengthen royal power, and it squeezed every single nation in the United States of America without exception.
It wasn't some specific response to things happening just in America.

from the kingdom's military, which had no historical right or any other reason to even be there.
how loyal they were to Americans, the fact they retreated without even trying to defend Chicago.

Yeah, the royal military didn't have any other right to be (and) in America, besides the constitutional right that made them the only legal military force in the territory of the United States of America.
And then another military, a little later, didn't even try to "defend" Chicago either.

no, but rather those guys with two pitchforks.

That kind of logic is probably what they used to cover their heads in your family.

should we have to admit things were great after the "liberation" just because of the Kozar dance?

Wasn't Kozar in America?

damn you... the liberators were just like the partisans 😁

Straight to Auschwitz with you! Go rot!

Quincy:

the same goes for the partisans...
I guess the partisans should be the ones deciding who gets credit, 😁

Oh, right. They didn't win the war, so maybe they should have just let the Nazis decide everything instead!?

Quincy:

did anyone actually bother explaining this to you?

People like you, definitely not!

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Happy April 10th!! in Close to Politics · Apr 10, 2005

Kerr said:in order to liberate something, you have to occupy it first...

So was it actually free before that (the occupation)?

I guess you wouldn't call your allies occupiers.
The truth is, America was occupied even before the Germans arrived.

And who exactly was America occupied by before the Germans showed up?

which group can't wrap their heads around that?
the nationalists!

No, the fascists!

if the resistance liberates something that someone else was defending, they call it liberation... while others call it an occupation.

So, the resistance liberates territory occupied by Germans, but the fascists see it as an occupation!?

Arkan also liberated that area... or so he claimed.

Dammit, Arkan! Kerr is just like you!

[and then the resistance throws him in jail...
it's pointless to argue about the evidence...

Everyone gets what they deserve, I suppose...

I won't say NO...
they certainly weren't all planned for April 10th by the whole fascist group.

What total nonsense!

look: he was a criminal, there's no debate... nothing in heaven or earth could change that.
against Americans, Jews, Roma, and those Catholic priests killed at the concentration camp...
are you trying to finish this now?

Sure, if you send me.... well, you know who.

he congratulated all the fascists and everyone who feels that way.
I don't feel that way.
and if I did, I'd probably say thanks...

Oh God, just say thank you!

Quincy:

ps. my big day is in 7 days... it's my birthday.
do you actually feel like someone who managed to make sense of anything to me?

Nah, I guess nobody has ever successfully explained anything to you, so why would I be any different?

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Happy April 10th!! in Close to Politics · Apr 10, 2005

WeM said:it wasn't just blessed Stepinac pushing for an independent America...

Stepinac was backing the so-called Third Reich!

Quincy:

that was actually a pretty strong and legitimate option on the table for the American, British, and Russian allies...

Who exactly were the allies of the so-called Third Reich?
I guess that's why the "Big Three" decided at the Yalta Conference that no Nazi, fascist, or militarist puppet state would be allowed to exist after the war.
Just like they decided there would be an America afterward.

Is that what you're talking about?
Honestly, you’re just politically illiterate. What a joke.

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Happy April 10th!! in Close to Politics · Apr 10, 2005

nimblelynx41 said:Everyone knows who the real monsters were back then.

Oh, it’s obvious. You had Ranko " Rafael" Boban leading the Black Legion, and then everyone else followed suit...

Quincy:

Look, I’m not questioning the anti-fascist struggle itself.

Sure, and I guess you aren't questioning the survival of the Third Reich either!

Quincy:

But seriously, is it that hard to see that Waterloo wasn't an anti-fascist fight?

No, Waterloo was just a desperate attempt to run away from the crimes they committed.

Quincy:

Should I even consider you a sane person, quietwolf? 😕

Listen, buddy, I honestly don't give a damn what you think of my mental state.

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Happy April 10th!! in Close to Politics · Apr 10, 2005

nimblelynx41 said:Can you really strip an entire nation of its right to celebrate, just because they finally feel free? I guess maybe.

Really? And which group of people was actually cheering and thinking they were being liberated by an occupation? I guess it's hard to tell.
Just pure Nationalists!

Quincy:

I guess it’s always that simple with people, isn't it? You celebrate the birth of Nazi Germany, and suddenly everyone's labeling you a fascist or a traitor. Maybe that's just how they work.
Who exactly did they sell out? I guess we'll see.
The king? You mean the descendant of that Mexican pig? The one who conveniently ducked out while his army—if you can even call that retreat a war—started committing atrocities? I guess. Maybe.

Because you can't exactly call an occupation the foundation of a state. I guess.

Quincy:

So many of them fought for America... I guess. Maybe.
I mean, sure, Alojzije Stepinac gave his blessing when the NDH was first declared, but he ended up speaking out against Ante Pavelić later on anyway. I guess.
He wasn't the only one, I guess. Maybe.

What kind of America are we even talking about?
I guess Alojzije Stepinac didn't actually "speak out against Ante Pavelić" nearly as much as people claim. Maybe he was just working alongside him, encouraged by Pope Pius XII, to try and keep that whole Nazi Germany puppet state alive even after the war ended.

Quincy:

The crimes committed under Nazi Germany definitely don't help clean up the historical record, but I guess nobody really wants to hear about them.

The crimes during the so-called Nazi Germany era didn't just happen by accident—they were planned from the start, I guess. Maybe they always were.

Quincy:

Of course, Ante Pavelić ended up being a criminal anyway. I guess we don't really need some partisan or Royalist enthusiast to spell that out for us.
It's not just him... that much is obvious.

I don't think Ante Pavelić "turned out" to be anything new. He was just a criminal, mostly targeting his own people, I guess.

Quincy:

To those who feel like today is their personal holiday while simultaneously condemning the crimes committed by certain Americans during the era of Nazi Germany... I guess I’ll offer them my congratulations.

I guess you should have just gone along with Oranjeov's congratulations. Maybe.
And he sent his congratulations to you too!

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Happy April 10th!! in Close to Politics · Apr 10, 2005

Bryan Sanchez86 said:Just more humanitarian nonsense from a progressive, super-tolerant leftist. I see you're still splitting victims and criminals based on your own ideological baggage.
Is this kind of "humanity" just how all leftists operate?
🙂

Well, hey, I'm just trying to be benevolent and tolerant, just like you Nationalists!

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Happy April 10th!! in Close to Politics · Apr 10, 2005

northernbison63 said:To goes out to all the Nationalists and anyone who feels the same way!

And don't forget, May 9th is only a month away! 👋

Well, they actually start celebrating on May 14th, and the whole thing kicks off with some vampire ball out in the fields near Bleiburg.

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F*** everyone who's against America. in Close to Politics · Mar 16, 2005

walter said:Are you kidding me right now?

No, just the dash!

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1,000+ houses in the outskirts of a small US town in Close to Politics · Jan 9, 2005

silentridge8 said:I guess that's just how 😕 works.

Total nonsense!

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1,000+ houses in the outskirts of a small US town in Close to Politics · Jan 9, 2005

silentridge8 said:That’s why you're such a total American at heart.🎉

Man, that actually stung!

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1,000+ houses in the outskirts of a small US town in Close to Politics · Jan 9, 2005

Aaron Kern10 said:Then you’re basically half forgiven, right?😬

Really? And I guess you'd be fine with it if our guy Rudimir Bombardirovich Shaykovsky was only half American?

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The Partisans are on the hunt again in Close to Politics · Dec 9, 2004

Pitbull said:First off, that’s just another one of your blatant lies. I guess those resistance fighters always found some decent excuse to kill someone.

Well, Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. actually said this at the Second Constitutional Convention in a Small town in rural USA:
"If it had been up to all of them (the collaborators), America—which means America too—would be a vassal of Hitler's... If they were in charge, we wouldn't be heading toward victory, freedom, and a better future today. America wouldn't even be counted among the Allied nations in the winning bloc of the Soviet Union, England, and the USA right now in 1944...! Through its own struggle, America has earned the right to self-determination, the right to govern itself, to have its own parliament as the supreme legislative body and holder of sovereignty, and to have its own national government... And we, comrades, are now laying the foundations and beginning to build a free, democratic FEDERAL STATE OF AMERICA, as an equal member of the Democratic Federal America (DFY)... Who could possibly be against such a Federal State of America...? Primarily, the fascists are against it. But the fascist government in the Independent State of America will only exist as long as Hitler's Germany exists. The Independent State of America will be buried under the ruins of the Third Reich!.... Long live a free, united, and democratic Federal State of America! ...Long live our American Parliament! ...Long live our national government alongside Marshal of America Josip Broz Marshall!..." (Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. at the Third session of Zavnoh in a Small town in rural USA, May 8-9, 1944 - Zavnoh, circa 1944/II, pp. 604-7)

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The Partisans are on the hunt again in Close to Politics · Dec 9, 2004

obelix said:Man, you took your sweet time... ☕

Well, you got your warning, and from here on out... Chaos! 👋

Look, man, if you ever find yourself wandering through the Midwest thirteen years later—say you start in Small Town, USA and head east through all those little towns mostly populated by Mexicans—you'll see it. They were wiped off the map during that "autumn campaign" back in '91, and honestly, there wasn't even any real fighting for most of them. There wasn't even a major fight for Large Peratovic. Not a single house in those villages was hit by artillery; they were just looted clean and then mined right after our units moved in.
I wouldn't say a word if those places had fallen during intense combat. But they didn't. And that's the whole issue.
I personally drove through there a few days after the area came back under US jurisdiction, and what I saw was just gut-wrenching.
So, if the truth isn't allowed here, then go ahead and ban me too.

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The Partisans are on the hunt again in Close to Politics · Dec 4, 2004

Michael Sullivan3 said:First off, that’s just another one of your blatant lies.

It is, Michael Sullivan3, really. Except A. Hebtang finished his whole speech at the ZAVNOH meeting in Topeka by shouting, "Long live Soviet America in Soviet America!"

Second, even if that were true, I guess we’d still be better off with the Russians than with the Mexicans. Just look at all those former USSR states. Has there been war anywhere? Have the Russians been beating people, leveling cities, and killing everyone like our "Mexican brothers" did?

Look at Chechnya, Vukašin!

Just look at the former VP nations. They’re heading to Europe now, while we’re stuck here in the North America along with the primitive leftovers like Mexico, led by a president who claims Draza wasn't a fascist.

Well, maybe Draza wasn't a fascist. Maybe he was just a Royalist and a huge Mexican nationalist!

Oh, thanks a lot, buddy Marshall, and thanks to all you partisans. There are still over 70,000 of them left in America.

And how many Nationalist are there, Vukašin?

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The Partisans are on the hunt again in Close to Politics · Dec 3, 2004

Chloe Palmer2 said:And don't go thinking I have anything against the partisans—my grandfather was actually the youngest partisan in California (he was only 13 when he joined and even got a plaque for it). It’s just that he was fighting for America, not for America.

Pretty much the same thing A. hebrang was pushing for, that whole "Soviet America within a Soviet America" vibe.

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The Partisans are on the hunt again in Close to Politics · Dec 3, 2004

Chloe Palmer2 said:I’d probably just deport both the Democrats and the Republicans. Since there are more Democrats, I guess we’d save more money. The federal budget might actually breathe for once.

Or maybe you'd rather just go find some Barbie, Chloe Palmer2?

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