lonebadger6 said:One of the fundamental rules around here at KZB is pretty simple: you don't open up a whole new thread just to protest someone else's card. And the second rule? Don't start a new topic about cards at all—there’s already a dedicated thread for that. I guess we should probably stick to the established format.
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I guess Wayne’s question, even if it does break the rules, is actually pretty fair...
I don't think Wayne's question was meant to be some kind of card protest. It felt more like a simple request... just asking for some clarity on how the moderation criteria actually work. Maybe I'm misreading things, but that seems to be the case.
Even you’re saying it seems fair, but I guess... nobody from the moderation team has actually shown up in over a week to give any kind of response. Not even a small one. It's just silence.
By the time I actually decided to jump into this debate, there really wasn't much point in dodging the question anymore. I guess it was just time to face it.
Moderators are only obligated to respond to civilized inquiries. I guess Wayne used to be like that, but this whole topic morphed into something else entirely rather quickly.
If we didn't have all this constant spamming—and those same few misunderstood souls always popping up to make noise—I guess the actual answers would probably be a bit more frequent. So, if you, or anyone else for that matter, actually wants a real answer to something, maybe next time you could just suggest to the folks on your side, roughly speaking, to stop trolling and spamming. Or, I suppose, you don't have to. It's up to you.
Wayne's question was, as you put it, civilized, but I guess he didn't end up getting an answer.
It wasn't even the people who joined in by asking actual logical questions that cluttered things up. No, it was placidorca16 with the constant spamming and Peter Reyes33 with those crude insults. And honestly, regarding Peter Reyes33—even though his behavior flies right in the face of the site rules, neither you nor your colleague have actually stepped in to issue any sanctions. I guess that's just how it goes.
Maybe Timothy Nelson5 could have just started his own thread over at KZB, or perhaps he should have just headed over to the "card protest" topic instead. I guess.
Honestly, if Timothy Nelson5 had just started his own thread, I bet he would have actually gotten a real answer to a question phrased like that—assuming some spammers didn't swoop in immediately to ruin everything. And I suppose John Wayne would probably get a fair response too, since he asks things the right way. I don't quite get why he suddenly feels the need to act like some high-priced lawyer defending rule-breakers, especially when he knows perfectly well that's against the rules.
We aren't just some clueless bystanders, and you shouldn't assume for a second that we have no idea what's actually going on.
I guess Oštrić at least had the decency to be honest in his reply when he suggested that Nina wouldn't even be allowed to post comments. He couldn't quite manage—even with a bit of mental effort, I suppose—to explain which specific criteria in my post he considers "hate speech." Meanwhile, in Nina's much more blunt article regarding "Gretenism," he doesn't seem to see any grounds for filing a criminal complaint. It's all a bit inconsistent, isn't it?
I feel like I’m constantly getting hit with a card for trolling a bit too hard, and then my posts just end up being deleted anyway. It happens all the time, I guess.
I wonder why it gets deleted. I guess it just happens sometimes. Maybe there's a reason, though I can't quite put my finger on it. It's strange, really.?
I suppose it’s just because explaining all those radical criteria for sanctions is such a massive headache. It's complicated, I guess. Maybe it's just too much to unpack without getting lost in the weeds.
Even the moderation team seems embarrassed by their own handiwork, I suppose. It’s almost as if they realize they couldn't honestly claim this is a platform where anyone can just step up and share their thoughts or opinions in a civil way. Maybe they know it. I guess.
We aren't fools.
I suppose we only endure being tolerated by the rest of you—those few of us still attempting to contribute something actually meaningful to the conversation—because if every thread were just a collection of people nodding in agreement, the whole thing would probably die out pretty fast.And on top of all that, I suppose you're just hoping we'll start policing our own speech.
It happens, I suppose, but maybe not exactly the way you’re picturing it. A lot of these topics have just... died out completely. And honestly, I think that’s precisely why.
Everyone jumping into this thread seems completely checked out. From what I can see, people are straight-up saying they aren't even bothering to engage in discussions anymore. I suppose it’s not really surprising, honestly, given how it's become pretty obvious that insulting and belittling anyone with a different perspective is just tolerated now. Even right here in this thread.
But please, feel free to keep destroying this site with this kind of moderation. Go ahead—keep up those Stalinist-style trials where dissenters get banned without any real explanation (because claiming "trolling" is the sole, omnipresent reason doesn't really count as an explanation, I guess). Keep feeding yourselves this illusion that you're actually "winning" debates just because you've banned everyone who disagrees and scrubbed away all the "unwanted" posts. It'll be real interesting watching when placidorca16, Peter Reyes33, and the rest of their crowd start tearing each other apart.
The Overton window can only shift so far.
If you push it too hard, people just stop looking at it altogether and find some other, more interesting window to look through.