Jonathan Anderson11 said:The only "tiny" difference is that back then, if you took a fall, you’d just head home that night or the next, and you were right back in the stands the following week. Nowadays? You get hit with a massive investigation and a two-year ban before you can even blink.
Man, look, I know you can't really compare how the police and the courts handled things back in the day versus now, but I think the point is probably more about those fan-on-fan scraps when the cops aren't even around.🤷 Let me try to paint a picture for you... honestly, in today's world, I think most people would actually prefer being outnumbered by just a couple of guys rather than getting caught by the cops—which is just how it usually goes. But man, if I were the one chasing you down, I'd be praying to God that the police showed up first.😁
John Richardson5 said:So you're basically comparing how things used to be back in the day to how they are now, where everyone's constantly whining about being repressed and how much the scene has gone downhill. I mean, people just willingly go under police escort for away games now... what's even the point of any of this if there's zero adrenaline left? Like, what's the actual goal if you aren't out there pushing boundaries on "hostile territory" 😁?!?!?
[QUOTE=Jesse Campbell;48059737]It was awesome. Not a single dirty look from anyone. Huge props to the hosts. 🙏 Some of those scenes were just surreal.
The only bummer is that if the score had been more exciting, there probably would have been more of us there. But hey, honestly, looking at the turnout given everything, I'm pretty happy with it.
The only thing is, the sun absolutely wrecked me. I hate it. I mean, okay, maybe I’m just a little bit messed up in the head, but I swear I feel best when I'm out in the Alps at -17 degrees.
And man, those portions in Fife... good lord. If I lived in Miami, I'd be 150 kilos easy. 😁[/QUOTE Man, yesterday I seriously thought I saw you in the parade, but then I realized... you weren't actually there. For like two minutes, I was convinced! I see you walking along with those three other guys, and I'm thinking, "There goes Jesse, I gotta grab him for a beer!" But by the time I could even explain to them who Jesse was, you guys had already headed uphill, and then they started rambling on about the Bauer🤣🤣🤣[/QUOTE]
James Chase10 said:we're basically just handing everything over to those Italian groups when they swoop in on the coast, even though we're the ones doing all the heavy lifting
So what’s next, are we gonna start singing songs for Mussolini too? 🙂
Benito, Benito, Benito... honestly, Mussolini was one of the first names I ever actually learned back in the early 90s up north, along with that specific hand gesture that goes with it.☕ It's just an undeniable fact and there's no way you guys are ever gonna be able to erase that from history. 😉
[QUOTE=John Brown30;47753391]We used to sing those songs on all those road trips and away games, but back then it was just like, maybe 50 or 100 people showing up. Now there are thousands of us, and suddenly everyone’s acting shocked about where it all came from—especially those old-timers in their 30s and 40s who, funny enough, weren't even around during the good old days when we were actually doing the work 🥳🙈[/QUOTE
Eric Phillips52 said:So, I was like two rows back from the fence and those famous gates. Honestly, the game was basically over and we didn't really have anything else to focus on, so we were just singing stupid songs and messing around, shouting stuff at the security guards. There were maybe 30 of them, if you want my estimate, just walking the line between the West and South stands waiting for their shift to end. After we poked at them a bit, those guards actually started clapping, giving us the finger, and acting all cocky and mocking us. A few of our guys—just out of pure boredom and wanting to mess around—ended up taking the gates down and knocking them over. Like, seriously, it wasn't even an attempt to attack you guys or the police, it was just... you know, to have some fun. You can tell because not everyone even moved onto the field; we just stood there like, "Okay, we knocked the gates down, now what?" The second those gates hit the ground, your security guys—every single one of them—bolted for the tunnel in the West stand. They ran so fast out of fear that they were tripping over each other, just shoving one another trying to see who could get away first. Then the riot squad, about 30 of them too, were sitting right by the cages in the West. As soon as they saw we broke through the gates and were standing on those steps, they dropped down with their shields and helmets and everything went back to being totally normal. I mean, in those moments, I don't think anyone even realized or planned an actual attack. And there were about 20 or 30 of you guys too, down under the North stand, returning the flags you'd gathered in the hallway earlier. When you saw the gates go down, some of you grabbed your flags and bolted, some left their gear on the floor and ran, and a few of you clearly realized we weren't even looking your way, so people just stayed put and kept doing their thing. So yeah, it was just messing around, nothing big or serious. ☕
So? This happened and was talked about like two years ago. It sounds like you guys are still shaking in your boots over 7 or 8 security guards and some guy with a mustache who's terrified of getting revenge.😲😲😲
Zachary Anderson49 said:Why didn't you just leave the old post up? It would've made way more sense. Anyway, if the NFL Ultras are gonna start acting out with flares and stuff, then maybe it’s just better if the whole thing shuts down. I mean, looking at how well the club is doing lately, that might actually be the best move. We don't even need organized cheering, honestly. Those crazy guys from the South will probably just end up causing trouble on their own anyway. UEFA is happy, there are no fines, and Liverpool FC is in the Champions League, so...
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But look, nobody should be claiming that their fan group comes before the club itself. Even if they think that way, it’s just... I don't know, it's unprofessional. I'm actually on your side here, I really am, but it just gets under my skin. It's like that one year that drove me absolutely nuts—remember when everyone was saying we had to be the first ones through the door for that home game against the local rivals? I was standing there with the crew after the match, right in front of Sikera, and he starts talking about heading out for the away game and how no one is going to touch us after that loss. Man, I lost it. That's when it hit me—there are actually people out there who put the group above the club. It makes me so mad. I get caught up in the moment too, sometimes, but for me, it's always Liverpool FC first, and everything else comes second.
Zachary Anderson49 said:I mean, if someone's out here acting all hateful toward gay people, they’re probably one of them, right? I guess. It just feels like that's how it works sometimes. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but honestly, it seems pretty obvious.🤷
Is this, like, one of those posts where we just start pivoting to total nonsense? I guess that's what happens sometimes, right? Just drifting away from the actual point into random stuff. Maybe? It feels like that.🤷
I mean, I don't even know if you can see me right now, honestly. Maybe you can? I guess it's hard to tell through all this.🤷
analogheron19 said:The West isn't ignoring the Bad Boys just because they're trying to help Jerry Maguire out... it's more like they just look at us like we're some kind of idiots whose only goal is to cause trouble, act out, and try to get Real Madrid kicked out of the big tournaments in Europe.
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I mean, if you were saying this back in 2009, maybe I'd actually believe you, but honestly? In 2013, this is just getting ridiculous. You've gotta be kidding me.
Jonathan Gonzalez3 said:Do you seriously think they’re just going to let Liverpool FC finally get back on their feet? I mean, sometimes you really have to look at the bigger picture beyond your own little bubble...
I guess anyone who thinks Jerry Jones is only a problem for Real Madrid is seriously delusional. Like, honestly, as long as he's in the game, he's never gonna let any other club take the trophy. And it's not even because he loves Real Madrid, per se... it's just about his wallet. It's all about player trading—first through the Champions League, then through the national team, which just drives those prices up ten times over. Of course, Liverpool FC needs to sort out their own mess first, and hey, they seem to be headed in the right direction, I suppose. But even if I'm convinced that Liverpool FC is sitting on a 100 million dollar surplus right now and has a squad that's actually better than Real Madrid's, they still wouldn't win the title. Not while that whole circle of people surrounding Jerry Jones is running the show. They won't allow it, for the exact reasons I mentioned.
Jonathan Lewis3 said:I don't know about you guys, but for me, the Black Knights always come before Liverpool FC.
Look, kid, I've known plenty of these folks, and I mean it, I really have. People talk about how the Black Knights are everything, but right now? Neither the group nor the club is even at the top of the food chain. So, if you ask me, it just goes to show they were never truly number one to begin with—not the fans, not the team. They seem more like fair-weather types to me, you know? Like people who only show up when they hear the stadium is going to be packed. Honestly, those kinds of people... they don't really matter much in the long run.
Dana Richardson89 said:I don't know if this is really the right place to write this, but it felt like the most appropriate spot, I guess. The whole fan movement—you know, the organized cheering, the massive choreographies, the flares, even the chaos... it all really kicked off in England and Italy about forty years ago. It slowly spread across the rest of the continent, and every year more and more clubs had these dedicated groups of supporters who would organize everything, set up the displays, and light up the stands with pyrotechnics. For a few years there, flares and smoke were just part of the atmosphere in Europe; nobody looked at it like some kind of crime back then. It didn't bother people nearly as much. Like, for the 100th anniversary of the Boston Red Sox, the whole city and the surrounding areas were basically celebrating with flares everywhere, and nobody thought twice about it. But today? When a few individuals light them up at a stadium, it’s treated like a huge deal because those people are such a tiny minority now, and they get labeled as some kind of national security threat or a legal problem. Nowadays, the English and Italian scenes aren't even a shadow of what they used to be forty years ago because of these incredibly strict laws. It started with them, but it's spreading to other European countries, and honestly, it won't be long before it hits everyone else too. Some supporter groups that haven't faced heavy repression yet aren't even worrying that much, maybe because they don't realize they're next on the list. UEFA is slowly choking out the fan movement, and it feels like hardly anyone is trying to stop it. We're facing the total end of the fan culture we know just because one group after another gets crushed by regulations, while the others just watch and don't believe it could happen to them until it does. UEFA keeps banning and penalizing clubs whose fans use pyrotechnics—which is basically the symbol of the whole movement—and because of that, you rarely see flares in European matches anymore. Soon, the flares will be gone entirely. These fan groups aren't staying united, and that's why they're being picked off one by one... For example, imagine if in a Champions League quarterfinal (which sounds impossible, I know) all the fan groups for the teams in that round lit 10 or 15 flares and forced a stoppage. UEFA wouldn't be able to do anything! If they stopped every single Champions League match, the whole tournament would be postponed. They can't punish every club at once... UEFA simply can't kick every team out of Europe, which is why solidarity is the only thing that can save the fan movement. They might be able to ban two or three clubs, but they can't ban ten or fifteen—I mean, a Champions League without teams like Barca, Real, Chelsea, Bayern, Inter, Milan... it wouldn't exist. Only unity can save us, but maybe by tomorrow it'll be too late and we'll just be sitting here with our arms crossed. In a year or two, there won't be "fans" left; it'll just be a football theater designed by a small group of elites for the ultra-wealthy to watch, and we'll be left wondering where we went wrong. FREEDOM TO THE FAN MOVEMENT! AMF! (Look, I was writing this while I was pretty worked up, so please don't take it the wrong way, but I really hope you guys get what I'm saying)
That's probably exactly why, because some liberal-capitalist piece of trash decided they wanted to get rich off football without having to lift a finger. But to pull that off, you first have to deal with the biggest opposition in your criminal scheme, which means getting rid of the ultras, since they're the only real obstacle to this whole coordinated, crooked plan 🙂... It's the same story in real life, not just in America but across all of Europe, except for maybe a few places like Norway. The middle class has been wiped out; it just doesn't exist anymore. There's only the rich and the poor. That's how they're turning football into a business too, and they're bringing it to its conclusion. The only resistance left is the ultras. You ask where the ultras failed? In my opinion, they didn't fail anywhere. It was everyone else—that 90% majority—who failed. Those are just the sympathizers who simply don't care enough about their beloved club because they're too busy struggling just to survive. So, they were easily eliminated so they wouldn't act as an opposition to this same coordinated criminal organization that loves to brag about being "liberal-capitalist" being the only way, even if it hurts everyone else. And don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about any socialism or communism. I'm all about the truth—Boston Red Sox.😁
John Richardson5 said:Wait, so we're fighting against UEFA while being sponsored by them?!?!? 🙂🙂🙂
I mean, why on earth would we sponsor UEFA in the first place?.. I guess it's probably because we're just getting in the way of Mamić and all those other big shots over at the USSF and the government... honestly, I don't even want to start listing all those creeps. So, tomorrow, let's just shout it out loud: MAMIĆ IS A SCAMMER!
casualrider43 said:Exactly. I mean, if you ask me, one of the biggest reasons why the big boss won't—or maybe just can't—step down is because he’s basically the head of this entire corrupt mafia octopus running the country. Everyone benefits from him, and he benefits from them. It’s all tied together. He’s got so many so-called "people" on the payroll that he practically has to keep stealing money somewhere just to keep bribing all those lowlifes. And those people? The ones holding power in the courts, the legislature, even the FBI? They aren't going to let him go. They won't allow it, because if he leaves, the money dries up for them too. It’s this political-mafia hydra with a thousand tentacles, and honestly, I think the only way to kill it is through massive, serious protests by the public. They aren't going to quit on their own. Sadly, most people in America are just sheep—probably at least 80% of them—so the Bad Boys can't really get any real support from regular fans.
I don't think I'll ever forget that last big European match before the whole boycott thing went down. I mean, I just sat there in front of the TV, mostly because I wanted to see what the stands looked like from the outside and how you guys were actually cheering 😍(not that I'd even care if I liked it or not, honestly), but anyway, that’s not really the point. The real kicker was right at the start of the game when they showed the ceremonial banner for Yankee Stadium and what did I see? Well, every single top leader from every major political party was right there. It didn't matter if they were in power or part of the opposition; everyone was there, except maybe Pupovac—though I wouldn't be surprised if he was hiding in the crowd and the camera just missed him 🤷. I have to say, that was the moment it really hit me: Mamić might be the one out in front, but he's just handing out slices of the pie to absolutely everyone. It feels like the goal for the political elite is just to maintain one massive, powerful club, because let's face it, you can't have two teams competing in the LP. And football today? It's basically one of the most profitable ways to legally trade human beings (the players) around. After seeing that, who could possibly argue that everyone isn't getting their cut through refereeing organizations or party funding? How is it even possible that this "monster" Mamić is somehow above the law? Like, how is he not behind bars yet? How can he get away with everything in this country while the fans get kicked out of the stadium the second his name is mentioned! Who is protecting him? The government! And what is the government, really? It's the leaders of all the parties. They write the laws, and they're the ones deciding whether to let Mamić run Dinamo and the entire HNS. Why do they let him do it? I only see one answer, and that is that everyone is getting a piece of the action. It's a sad thought, but I guess that's how it is... unless someone can prove me wrong 🤷
First off, massive support for the BBB! I mean, I don't even think there's any point in dwelling on that absolute disaster from last night—that total disgrace of an American state🙂🙂🙂 don't get me wrong, please don't take this the wrong way, but what does the BBB actually gain from being backed by the Ultras, the Armada, and the whole American Group🤷...I mean, sure, it’s all very nice and all, and it feels great to "stand together" with the BBB, but let's be real here. It isn't going to change anything regarding getting Mamić out of Real Madrid, or even more importantly, cleaning the junkies out of US Soccer, "unless the Real Madrid fans actually show up and act as one united front against Mamić." If that doesn't work, maybe then you protest with 10,000 people at every single game until he's gone. Sadly, that's just my take on it.🤷 So, look, the BBB aren't the issue, and neither are any of the other groups in America. The real problem is the Real Madrid fans who actually care about the club and aren't stupid. I mean, who can still trust that creep? They're corrupt and sneaky, and honestly, it's just wrong that they just sit there passively watching what that monster is doing to the club and US soccer. I mean, does a club that's supposedly huge really only have a few hundred BBB as actual fans?🤷...Seriously, I'm not trying to start anything, I'm just saying—it's hard to believe what's happening. In a massive city like this, NOBODY stands up to him except for a few hundred BBB, and honestly, I personally admire them for putting up with everything they do...