Posts by ruggedcanyon2

I’ve been sitting here wondering how I missed the details on those new fan laws... Honestly, if it's actually true that someone could just cut a deal to avoid jail time 🤔

After getting barked at with about a hundred different orders, they finally told me what someone else here already mentioned: just check in when I leave the country and then grab my confirmation stamp once I’m back stateside. We'll see how much of a mess it actually is when I get home.
I mean, honestly, who cares? Once that lawyer gets involved, they'll probably shut up and settle down.

Morgan Price22 said:Anyone here actually dealt with those court-appointed lawyers before?

I’ve been there. You get hauled into court, and the judge doesn't even bother listening to a single shred of evidence against you. He just sits there, looks at you, and goes, "In my opinion, there isn't enough physical evidence to prove the defendant is guilty, so I'm dismissing the charges." Maybe try phrasing that a little better? But yeah, that's all you get from him. Case closed. 😁 Look, just go out there, ask around for some actual advice, and defend yourself. You'll have a better shot if you handle it yourself. 👍

Just so you know, you only get a free lawyer if you're actually facing criminal charges. Otherwise, you're on your own.

rapidbadger44 said:Has anyone here dealt with a stadium ban while living or working in another country? I’m trying to figure out how the whole reporting process works when you aren't even in the same state. How do you actually check in or notify them?

Does anyone actually have an answer to the question above?
I don’t even know how many times the local police station has given me the runaround now. It’s just one big circle between the cops and the courts, and nobody can decide who's actually in charge of my case. They can't get their act together to save their lives. Finally, the guys at the precinct called up the folks in Washington, D.C., and they told me I need to check in with the American consulate in the country I'm heading to before the game starts. Honestly, it's a total mess. 124 miles Work? You really think that's even possible?

Christian Miller48 said:How does the system actually work regarding criminal records? How long does that rehabilitation period really last?
A buddy of mine works in law enforcement, and he tells me they always see some kind of flag in their database when they run a check. It shows up if you’ve been charged under certain laws. They basically harass people at the border, for example—folks who had minor offenses before the war—because apparently, those records just don't get wiped clean.

Cops have told me straight up: five years after a case is closed, they stop breathing down your neck. In theory, those alerts shouldn't be popping up on their radios anymore. 😁 But that’s assuming we’re living in a sane world. Since we're talking about sports fans, who knows?

And what analogheron19 is saying? Same thing happened to me. Back when I was dealing with a sentencing proposal, the first document they handed me listed stuff that had nothing to do with me. Total nonsense. I made sure to point that out to the judge every single time.

Can someone tell me how many years it takes for a misdemeanor statute of limitations to kick in? And does that clock stop once a first-instance judgment is handed down, or does it still apply if you appeal and nothing happens? Basically, say you get convicted in a lower court, you file an appeal, and then everything just stalls. How long until it expires, or is it impossible because there's already a ruling on the books?

It’s about the Sports Fan Act, and honestly, I’d rather ask here than deal with the cops who think they know everything regarding this stuff.😁

briskdrifter40 said:Who the hell cares about the Deli or Gat 7 being in Chicago when it was already settled there wouldn't be any away fans in the stands. The reality is the Deli weren't in Chicago and the BBB weren't in Belgrade—they met on neutral ground. And on that neutral ground, you guys actually came out on top, not at our place. That’s what neutral ground means.

The same deal was made for the Olympiacos vs. Dinamo match, so they went. You get it now, or do I need to spell it out?
So you're trying to tell me the Deli would have shown up if Olympiacos was playing Khazar from Lenkoran? How can you call it a neutral site when you're traveling right alongside the local group? Stop talking nonsense...

Huge respect to the Boys who made the trip. Hope everyone's doing alright.

gentlebison72 said:The situation has reached a breaking point. We need one solid, official statement signed by every single fan group in America. It needs to back the Kansas City Chiefs' legal fight and demand the immediate removal of every corrupt puppet currently running the USSF.

It would be even better if the groups just put out their own individual statements, calling on their specific clubs to support kicking out Bighead’s mafia. I’m looking specifically at the Armada—they’ve been way too passive. This is the moment to apply pressure. We have to seize this opportunity before it gets diluted or completely wasted.

Anyone who usually spends their time whining needs to step up now. If you don't contribute, you lose the right to complain about being ignored, robbed, or pushed to the sidelines.

👍 Agreed with the whole post, just maybe don't call out specific groups or clubs because that just makes things worse... It's pathetic how we always wait for someone else to make a move instead of just taking charge ourselves....
Yesterday it was the Boys, today it's Torca, tomorrow it'll be everyone else.... People, let's go! For god's sake!

I'm not going to waste time quoting everyone one by one, people will figure out who I'm talking to...
It’s pathetic how these FBI idiots can't tell the difference between being "on record" and actually having a criminal record. This guy clearly managed to scrape through high school, since he knew enough to admit that you can just be flagged on a blacklist without even being convicted. They can flag you just for driving from your house to the grocery store just so they can meet their daily quota, which is exactly what they do...
But seriously, what’s the point of those laws about one or two-year bans if they can just take someone who already finished their ban, claim they violated some fan law, and toss them onto some black list to extend the ban indefinitely? For how long? 10 years? 20? For life? Fine, but why don't they just write it into the law that some pedophile who served three months in prison can go right back to school just because someone thinks something wrong about him? That would actually be more logical than this crap they pull on fans. It's absolute bullshit.

And honestly, screw all us fans too, acting all tough and playing it safe while we have this hanging over our heads—wondering if any fan will even be allowed into a single stadium in the next year, two years, or whatever... doesn't matter. That misplaced pride is going to screw us all over.

EDIT: Okay, it's not in the law, but could it be? Could it be made illegal so that they're held accountable for violating our freedom of movement?

Jesse Campbell said:I think you guys are being way too hard on the Cleveland crowd. You're completely ignoring some pretty obvious facts here.

Koch is just playing Volpi's game. To Mamić, he’s basically the ultimate right-hand man. Look, Mamić is nothing more than a low-rent small-town thug—this is serious business we're talking about. Just because Mike plays nice with him doesn't mean he actually likes the guy. It just means he knows exactly who runs American soccer and understands that nothing gets done without his blessing. Volpi handed him that job, so he’s going to carry it out. Plain and simple: without Mamić, none of this happens.

Look, that doesn't make it right from a moral standpoint, and I'm definitely not under any illusion thinking Koch is some kind of saint. But it does explain a few things. It also hints that Koch might just turn his back on the Head whenever it suits him. And honestly, the fact that Mamić screwed over Štimac doesn't mean much—Štimac is cut from the exact same cloth as Mamić. Just more of that small-town, low-class mentality.

Cleveland has a much stronger economy than Miami. It’s more western-leaning, too. I was out there on business recently and honestly, their marketing game blew me away. They’re operating on the level of the Brooklyn Nets, while they're miles ahead of the Dodgers. Personally, I think the Dodgers have gone way too far—slapping their logo on every damn thing imaginable. Plus, you've got all those Mamić stories where everything just circles back to his nieces and some smoker. At this rate, Cleveland actually looks like they could be a powerhouse in the future, even after the Head is gone.

I seriously doubt anyone in Cleveland actually supports the Head or the USSF. I have no clue where you guys even got that idea. Look, it’s true we turn a blind eye to certain things sometimes. But you really think people in Chicago or Miami wouldn't be doing the exact same thing? If they weren't turning a blind eye, we wouldn't have such an empty trophy case compared to the rest of the league. And I'm talking about the general public here, not just the hardcore ultras.

Look, you’re absolutely right about one thing: the Head has his hands in everything. Maybe he didn't go out of his way to screw over Cleveland, but he definitely didn't lift a finger to help Real Madrid grab that trophy either. If the Head had actually decided to hand the Cup to Real Madrid, they would've walked away with it. American soccer is a total circus. It's obvious to everyone. Some people just don't care—they actually enjoy the chaos. Honestly, the whole legacy of Yugoslavia, the old socialist era, that "brotherhood and unity" nonsense—it was all a joke. Our politics is a farce, which is why people keep voting for the same garbage over and over. Our job is to make sure the public sees through the act. In Miami, they made their point. In Chicago, it worked because people finally started boycotting Mamić. That first Cup final match was a massive wake-up call. Now, it's time for the Armada to step up. They need to put the pressure on Koch and the folks in Cleveland to reject this entire scam and finally show some teeth against the criminals and the gang running the show.

👍

I feel pretty much the same way about the whole situation. Here’s the thing: I know Koch and Maminho were actually decent guys back when Koch first jumped into pro sports. Just like a bunch of those other wealthy owners out there. Only difference is, Koch earned his money the right way. I seriously doubt he’d ever risk all that just because he’s buddies with Maminh. He isn't about to trade his fortune for a stint in federal prison over some shady dealings. Honestly, right now? Nobody hanging out in Mamić's circle is looking at a jail cell anytime soon.

It’s the honest truth—even if guys like casualRi won't admit it. The Armada turns a blind eye to certain things just because the city is riding high on the hype, and they don't give a damn. Most people won't own up to that, though, because then they'd have to face the fact that they aren't actually sticking to their supposed "ideals." As for Koch, I honestly think he hasn't got a clue how the ultras in Cleveland (and everywhere else) actually think. He’s too busy obsessing over how to squeeze every possible win out of Cleveland. To him, Koch equals the fans. He isn't even here because of Mamić; he couldn't care less about him or whatever drama Maminho is getting into with the supporters.

Look, what I’m trying to say is that it would be absolute perfection if the Armada just stepped up right now, tore the board apart, and kicked all those guys out for good. But the real question is how many people would actually show up to make that happen. If you ask me, 95% wouldn't do a damn thing. As for that other 5%? Respect.

For God's sake, they shut down the Armada thread just to stop the fighting, and now all that mindless bickering just migrated right here. Great. Now we've got the same old chaos happening in the wrong damn thread. 🤣

rapidstag37 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ-BqhPluLQ
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Clearly hasn't been checking this American forum lately.😁

I just had one of those guys sitting in court with me, and the judge actually asked him if he had any experience dealing with flares. This guy just looks her dead in the eye and says he usually works with actual explosives and demolition gear—not this kind of mindless stupidity that isn't even dangerous. Honestly, the woman asking the questions was acting like a total idiot. The last time she opened her mouth, she was talking about Platinum and acting all shocked that fans were "getting rowdy" near the fences at Yankee Stadium 🤣...

Nathan Foster23 said:They’re cranking out new laws while we can’t even get in the same room to figure out our next move!

Section 39.a (1) Any individual who commits the following offenses shall be liable for a fine ranging from $5,000.00 to $8333 or imprisonment for a term of at least 30 days up to a maximum of 60 days:

1. Throwing objects onto the field or into the spectator areas of a sports venue (Section 4, Paragraph 1, Subparagraph 6),

2. Singing songs or shouting messages at players or other spectators that express or incite hatred based on race, nationality, region, or religion (Section 4, Paragraph 1, Subparagraph 7),

3. Lighting or throwing pyrotechnics (Section 4, Paragraph 1, Subparagraph 8),

4. Lighting or otherwise destroying fan gear or other property (Section 4, Paragraph 1, Subparagraph 9),

5. Attempting unauthorized entry or entering the playing field or spectator area, or any space reserved for officials or other participants in the sporting event (Section 4, Paragraph 1, Subparagraph 10).

So basically, you light a flare now and you could be looking at 30 days behind bars..

I think they changed that bolded part too....That specific section refers to one particular court, if I recall correctly....The phrase "attempting unauthorized entry" wasn't even there before. Now, if you just lean over the fence after a goal is scored, they can charge you with attempting to enter the field—which carries the exact same penalty as actually getting inside. You better watch your step...

Jesse Campbell said:Yeah. That’s how things work. An inspector drops a ruling, and you just flat-out ignore it... 🙄

🙂

For God's sake, people, use your brains. Did anyone actually think Jerry Perenchio was going to say, "Okay, I'll call for elections, I'll operate transparently and publicly," and all that crap?

What kind of idiot expected that from a press conference?

Of course he's squirming and spinning his wheels—he's getting desperate. But the report is crystal clear. There are no more unilateral moves left for this Cartel. He doesn't control the higher inspection authorities; they report directly to Johnson, while this current level answers to Bloomberg. You see the situation...

Honestly, having to run things publicly is even worse for him than facing an election. ☕🙂

So, does that mean during these 60 days he has left, he and his 97 assemblymen can't make a single decision without the rest of the Yankees members? I think that's the key question here. Because if they can, then I don't get why they don't just stop being an association and turn into something else entirely.
In that case, again, it would be great like you said about him being forced to act publicly. It narrows his ability to stash cash in his pockets. But he'd still stick around if he found a way to wash the money, and they wouldn't be able to kick him out until he decides to leave himself...

Matthew Foster8 said:if there actually was a real fan movement in this country—and based on the name alone, it should be one—then all these so-called supporter groups would show up together at the next game at the stadium just to prove how much "power" this movement supposedly has.
Are you guys seriously whining about modern soccer and everything else? The guy who basically gutted the entire league and trashed every single club is sitting there laughing while watching the match. The whole system runs like a Swiss watch now, and the fans have been pushed down to the floor. Honestly, if this isn't the perfect opportunity for you little Ultras and fans to step up, I don't know what is. Or maybe it’ll just be more of the same, with everyone singing nursery rhymes at other stadiums. Some people will settle for a tiny scrap thrown their way and go right back to business as usual.
Most people are just sheep. Nothing new there. If those other supporter groups watch the slaughter and act stupidly happy just because they weren't the first ones targeted, then they haven't earned anything better than continuing with their little songs.
The American fan scene is a joke. You've got these massive groups that claim to be top-tier in the world, acting with that messed-up North American style; if it wasn't pathetic, it would be tragic.
Now they've moved the goalposts to verbal offenses—this country and North Korea are practically two of a kind. I wonder which stadium is next on the list. It’ll probably be the same thing next weekend and the weekend after that: an increased repertoire of "rebellion" followed by intellectual chatter, lawsuits, and kindergarten songs at every other stadium.

I think everyone has thought about doing something like this at some point, but too many people are afraid of what others will think. Isn't that supposed to be the whole point of being an Ultra? Most of us are fighting against idiots in club management, but not one of them is as bad as Maminho... If the chanting stays like this, even the Ultras won't exist in a few years (I'm not diminishing what any specific group has done, it just doesn't carry enough weight)... I don't think people realize what's coming...
There are a million different opinions here, but I honestly think absolutely everyone would be ready to take action from any group if they knew it would finally make Maminho get lost... But damn, nothing in life is certain, not even this. Sometimes you just have to grow a pair and take the risk...
Like I said before, you can tell that despite the rivalries, these groups are all connected in this fight. Either we're going to see a major collective move against these mobsters very soon, or we'll just keep watching this until the entire fan movement dies out...

MAMINHO IS A GYPSY!

Honestly, everyone should just hire a lawyer. If you can't afford one, go ask someone who actually knows what they're doing or do some digging online to see what counts as mitigating circumstances in court. That could seriously slash the fines right out of the gate. But of course, everyone's playing the victim now, acting like Jerry Jones is some kind of saint and a local hero...
Just stay strong.

So, because of that massive blowout at the youth game in a small town in rural US, the club got hit with a fine. The National Sports Organization acknowledged that clubs are struggling financially right now and that an outburst like this is hard to prevent, so the folks in that small town in rural US will only be paying $133. But here’s the real question: is the Department of Justice going to step in? Are they going to act on their own authority, or if they don't, did the right people even report this? We’re talking about a parent physically attacking a referee at a kids' game. Look, the Sports Fan Act is enforced strictly when it comes to organized fan groups—you light one flare, even if you don't throw it on the field, and you're looking at a long ban from stadiums. But this isn't a group issue. This is a straight-up thug running onto a pitch in front of 22 little kids to assault an official. It would be a total joke if this guy just gets to keep showing up to children's games without any consequences.

It's funny how there's zero investigation just because the guy isn't part of some organized fan group. If one of us had done that, we'd probably be looking at a few years behind bars 🙂

John Martin18 said:I don't buy it. It’s an attempt, not a done deal. If this is his first offense, he’ll probably just get a warning at worst. If he’s lucky? Maybe a small fine. But honestly, if he keeps this up, he might end up getting absolutely wrecked in the ring.

It all comes down to the Sports Fan Act. If they can prove those guys were right there at the game just before it went down, then yeah, they’re going after them. Simple as that.

I just hope things don't turn into a total war zone out there. Honestly, I was thinking the same thing, though it feels pretty weird. We’re talking about being right here in our own hometown, so I don't really get why that part of the Sports Fan Act includes the route back home. Makes zero sense.

Got two questions for anyone who’s dealt with this before:
1. A 14-year-old kid got busted trying to sneak in a flare. Is he actually looking at trouble here?
2. About half an hour after the game ended, people were picked up at a bar right by the stadium. They did the breathalyzer test and now they're being hounded over it. Does that fall under the sports fan law or what?

Anyway, I think it’d be smart if we started posting stuff like this here. People need to be able to prep for court. This kind of nonsense is only going to ramp up, and most people don't have the cash to throw at lawyers...

Joseph White12 said:That’s what you and whoever else thought... honestly, I did too 🤦, but then the crowd (far left in the North stands) started shouting it all over again while the cops were hauling away the guy who lit the flare near the East section, just pointing fingers at him 🤦

Maybe they were tripping thinking he tossed the flare under the transit gate or some joke like that. From where I was sitting way up in the North end, I didn't even catch that the officer kicked him... though once I saw them dragging him off, I definitely gave them a piece of my mind...

Btw, anyone know where exactly that was in the upper North (left side)? Was I hallucinating or did a riot actually break out? It was pretty close to me, but I couldn't see a thing through all the people.