gentleridge26 said:People, we need to get organized so our voices actually carry some weight! We can't just sit here while the US Soccer Federation spreads lies and paid political campaigns manipulate the public.
The absolute least we can do is prepare a list of questions to hand over during the debate—questions they actually have to answer.
1. How much longer will this private rule over the club be tolerated, especially when association laws clearly state that the will of all members must be respected? 2. We need to address the abuse of blacklists used to politically target fans who haven't even broken a single rule. We are demanding a change in the law so that only the courts have the authority to issue bans.
Stretch yourselves out all the way to Fifth Avenue, offer your help, and actually dedicate some free time instead of just shouting "do this" or "do that." Why does everything always have to fall on the shoulders of the same ten people? Every single time. It’s time to step up and actually contribute.
analogheron19 said:All five of them. But look, you learn from mistakes—you don't just keep making the same ones over and over. This friction between the players and the fans—who really ought to be natural allies—only serves Jerry Maguire and absolutely nobody else. We need to actually think things through and react strategically instead of constantly acting on impulse and running headfirst into a brick wall. Trust me, heads tend to break when you do that. When you actually take a moment to step back... where are all those people now? The ones who were busy fueling the fire against the players? Maybe they were just fulfilling their role at the time.🤷
Exactly. All five. I get what you're getting at. As for those agitators who spent their time spreading hate toward the players—they've vanished. We're talking about maybe ten people. They're a drop in the bucket; the players were getting torn apart by everyone back then. Honestly, people are far more likely to scream "Screw you, Jerry Maguire!" from the bottom of their hearts than they are to shout "Go Blue Lions!" Look, man, everything within the club and surrounding it is a mess. It’s all interconnected, and frankly, people are just fed up with the whole damn thing.
analogheron19 said:Honestly, that was one of our biggest blunders and absolute low points, period.
Look, it’s just a raw reflection of how we felt—no act, no pretension. It was exactly what we wanted to belt out, regardless of whether it sounded brilliant or completely idiotic. It came straight from the heart.
lonebison42 said:I honestly couldn't tell you; I'm not really following the play-by-play on this one. I told you I thought it was... The ZG base just went dark.I honestly have no idea why this happened or how we let it get to this point. But if you look at the numbers, the math just doesn't add up. If the Bad Boys can pull 1,000 people out in Riverside or 700 in St. Louis, yet we’re only looking at maybe 250 people up North in seven days... well, you tell me. Who exactly dropped the ball here? The point I'm trying to make is that the issues with the Bad Boys didn't just magically start yesterday, and Jerry Maguire isn't the only one holding the bag here.
Sorry if I'm derailing the thread, but I was under the impression this was an open discussion where we were actually allowed to share our opinions and react to what everyone else is posting. Haha!
Look, you’ve said this twice now, so I’m finally giving you a real answer since you’re being so persistent. Honestly, I don't get how you can be this clueless—you even mentioned having friends who are active in the scene, so why aren't they filling you in? The reality is that 90% of the people in that big activist base in New York are getting absolutely screwed over by the constant collusion between Jerry Maguire, the police, and the courts. It’s systematic. People get hit with pre-planned bans at perfectly timed moments specifically designed to shut down the entire operation. Get it? Maguire coordinates with the cops on how to handle things, then moves on to the judges to dictate their next move. As a result, you have this core group of activists being tailed by the police constantly; if they went out to buy a loaf of bread, the judges would probably slap them with a restraining order just for the hell of it. As for the broader group within that New York base, 90% of them are either waiting on jail time, stuck on some blacklist, or dealing with active bans and legal restrictions. Most of this happens over trivial, practically non-existent issues, usually triggered by a direct suggestion from the police—or rather, from Jerry. And then you and people like you have the nerve to come in here and claim the New York base is undermining the cause. Man, you guys are delusional. You’re the ones undermining everything because you lack the guts to actually step up and fight. Instead, you just sit on the sidelines and watch. Cheers.
Eric Phillips52 said:It’s obvious you’re just as clueless as whoever inspired that username of yours... If you didn't bother reading, I stayed away from all matches during the Boycott period... but since you're clearly such a genius, I went ahead and extra-bolded that just for you... maybe you missed how things actually work... so yeah...
And if those guys who were hiding are considered the absolute worst of the lot, then why don't you head out East and say that to their faces? Because some of them are still living among you...
So, let me get this straight—you were in Madrid?!?!? Was that during the Boycott? Yes. So did you break the Boycott? Yes. And yet, here I am writing that down, and you have the nerve to call me stupid. Then you try to act clever with your little jokes and "extra bolding," you idiot. Let me simplify this for you and everyone else like you: if you broke the Boycott, or any other major decision made by the group you claim to belong to, then you're a traitor, a coward, and an enemy of that very group. Is that clear enough for you now?
Peter Robinson21;50712421 said:I don't know who you are, but if you know me, you know I’ve always marched to my own beat. I never just drifted along with the crowd... Back when there was the Boycott, I was one of the first to stand with everyone else, even though most people I knew—who have since moved out East—called it "stupid." But fine, we went with the boycott. A year later, everyone could see it hadn't achieved a damn thing. Around June of that year, I said, "The boycott isn't working; we need a different approach." That’s when the threats started: "You're against us," "You're against the association," and all that nonsense. All I said was, "It yielded nothing; let's try something else." Then, by August, the group decided, "No more boycotting," and it was back to the games. Some said only MLS matches, others said every single game. I decided to go with the crew I've been traveling with for 20 years. If one goes, they all go. So there I am, standing in the stands at the Santiago Bernabéu in Madrid, surrounded by people I know who acted like they were part of the boycott during the Champions League (even though they were actually showing up to Champions League and EL matches while I sat them out during the boycott)...]
You and EVERYONE like you—the ones who kept showing up to games during the boycott, whether it was MLS or European matches—are absolute bottom-feeders. Both the ones who made themselves known and the ones who tried to hide. You are truly a disgrace to humanity. Can you even look yourselves in the mirror knowing you turned your backs on the group? You spat in the faces of your own comrades and sided with the very people trying to dismantle the Bad Boys. And you still have the nerve to stand in the North Stand acting all neutral. Honestly, man, what a massive collection of morally bankrupt individuals.
casualrider43 said:Those mercenaries are just looking for a reaction—don't give them the satisfaction. They aren't worth a second of your time. As long as Zdrak remains in power, they'll always be lurking about... Stop giving them free publicity. Thanks.
No, we should just let both them and Zdrak push us out of existence and shut us down entirely. Don't feed the trolls. Let them go ahead and rally their crowds, print those flashy posters, lie to the public, start their little non-profits and souvenir shops, and attack our people while we're stuck unable to even step foot in our own stadium. Just ask yourselves where this is actually headed.
I just want to weigh in on these cowards who are terrified of anything even remotely radical or extreme. If we had actually embraced a radical approach when it mattered most, we would have kicked the agents, the establishment hacks, and the entire corrupt leadership out of power ages ago. Instead, we were constantly coddling the sensitive types—people more worried about whether they’d "get in trouble" than actually fighting. We spent all our energy agonizing over how the sympathizers would react or what the media would say, and now look where that got us. The old guard and their cronies are still running circles around us, while those very people we were trying to protect have completely vanished. Unfortunately, we haven't had enough true radicals, and frankly, we still don't.
Look, man, don't get worked up, but if there really are people out there who haven't heard of us—who have no clue we’re the opposition to Jerry Jones—then honestly, they deserve a standing ovation. We have tried everything under the sun over the last few years to reach the "average Joe." We’ve done public forums, tournaments, parties, handing out flyers, hanging posters, organizing boycotts, rallies, protests, hitting the TV news, and even showing up at neighborhood meetings. I genuinely don't know what else is left to try. People just aren't showing up. It either means they couldn't care less about us or Real Madrid, or they're just completely fed up and want to run as far away from this mafia and the corrupt cops as possible. At this point, we can't count on some massive wave of support because we've been trying to win them over for years and—nothing. So, how can you actually help as a supporter? Be persistent. Show up to the games at Yankee Stadium and don't give up. Bring a few friends along and spread the word. Reach out to journalists and tell the story of what you see as an ordinary fan. Join the Bad Boys, join the Real Madrid supporters' groups, grab a beer, toss a couple of bucks in the collection bucket for the guys, or buy a jersey at the souvenir shop. Honestly, doing that makes you a much more valuable fighter than those people who act like they're deaf and blind to everything happening.
Jeremy Thomas4 said:Look, even if we don't know exactly who's pulling the strings here, this isn't just one person's opinion. We'll see how things shake out once the new roster drops for the next game, and then there will be another hundred people on the blacklist just because of those "Mamić is a crook" chants. You’re acting like Napoleon, Thomas—leading everyone further and further down a dead end while the blacklist keeps growing. I'm not saying you're doing this on purpose, but dragging every last person down might be a worse strategy than us just stepping back for a while. People are getting banned regardless of whether you notice it or not.
Friends, listen. In the last year alone, we've organized three meetings with the lawyer at our headquarters. The most recent one was less than two weeks ago. People, actually show up to the meetings. If you want information, go to the usual spots and get it in person instead of talking like this online. NOBODY should be facing a ban for defending their right to be there, especially not over chanting against Mamić; you just need to put in a little effort. Don't wait for someone else to do all the heavy lifting for you. Look at what happened to the guys in the Unešić case—they were hit with unlimited restraining orders specifically because of those "Mamić is a crook" outbursts☕ . You're all being far too passive and complaining way too much (and I don't mean you personally).
casualrider43 said:They wouldn't be pulling this on us if we actually had numbers. I mean, seriously, where did everyone go? Where are all the people who were filling up the stands just a month ago??? Stop talking nonsense about dissolving the group or giving up, because that isn't even on the table. And besides, you can use your membership however you damn well please!! Just join already, people, what's the hold-up...
Furthermore, where are the people who showed up to those neighborhood town halls? Every single meeting had 80 to 100 people there, and it wasn't always the same small circle of faces. Where are they now? Why is nobody willing to put their neck on the line? If people actually stepped up to work for this group even half as much as they whine and complain, we would have dealt with the undercover agents and Mamićev ages ago.
What a bunch of hypocrites. It’s easy to preach morality and call for peace when you haven't actually stepped foot in the fray once in the last five years. Why didn't any of you suggest heading out to some field off the interstate to settle things back then? Maybe it's because 80% of you here don't have anything to do with the fans and weren't even there, yet you all act like geniuses, constantly picking fights over everything. Our conflicts aren't the problem; the only thing that needs to change is the stone-throwing and the property damage. That's really it.
We’ve been through this a hundred times already. People love to paint us as nothing more than mindless thugs who spend more time drinking and chasing highs than actually training. Fine. If you want to go wander off into the woods or some rural field to organize your little amateur MMA tournaments, be my guest. Just leave us to the streets to settle things our own way with whatever comes our way.
frozenbadger76 said:I just don't get why everyone is waiting around instead of just taking them out. From what I can see, they're just hitting whoever they want. Is it because people are too afraid to strike back, or have we all just become too paralyzed by the crackdown to actually do anything?
Are you actually kidding me? It’s obvious you haven't been following the actual street actions if you're asking me why we aren't targeting the mercenaries. If you're so concerned, why aren't *you* out there fighting them? Why stay passive and wait for everyone else to do the dirty work?
And honestly, give it a rest. A little less smashing up delivery vans and throwing rocks would go a long way.
I see the debate about publishing the agents' names has already started here. Honestly, folks, I say go for it. Put their full names, last names, photos—everything. Let everyone see exactly who we're dealing with and what these people actually look like. I know some of you are going to start preaching about "fair play" and all that nonsense. But let’s be real: you can't apply any sense of decency or honor to bottom-feeders. You have to realize these aren't true fans; they are traitors. They are just a group formed specifically to serve Mamić's interests with the sole purpose of tearing down BBBE. So, my advice? Don't hold back...
Hardly anyone—maybe four or five people at most—actually moved from the profit-driven crowd over to the side of passion. Instead, they’ve pulled in a handful of other active group members to bolster their agency, and honestly? It’s just a bunch of brainless losers looking for a handout. They’ve even gone so far as to start their own fan club, essentially doubling down on this agency nonsense while acting like they’re untouchable icons. It won't last long. It is everyone's responsibility to head East so we can show them all that there is no surrender. Rally the people around you and don't let fear take hold. Staying away now is nothing less than turning your back on the group—it's betrayal. We are entering our most difficult chapter, which means we need more boots on the ground than ever to demonstrate our strength and unity. We are going to take down both Jerry Jones and his agents.
casualrider43 said:Come on, folks, stop spreading the gloom! Enough with the "I did this" or "who are you kidding?" or "where were you when this happened?" nonsense. We’ve actually made significant headway since this movement kicked off—we have the media backing us and some heavy hitters in our corner. These are just the final death rattles of the dictatorship. Honestly, enough is enough. All of us are here primarily because of the Lakers; everyone should just chip in however they can to this fight and leave it at that. It's a matter of conscience. No one needs to be forced into anything; if you aren't feeling it, you aren't feeling it. Those who want to help will find a way; those who don't will always find an excuse.
It’s frustrating when certain people insist on dragging up the same old tired arguments without even knowing the actual details. Everyone in Chicago is acting this way. All of them! And don't forget to keep contributing to the relief fund for those who can't be here.
Adam Jackson86 said:Maybe dial back the attitude when you're talking to people who could be your father. Just stare at the floor and stay quiet.
Seriously, why would anyone just stare at the floor? For what reason? Because he stood up in public for his group? How many times have you actually taken a stand in the last year or two? Before you start lecturing anyone, ask yourself if you’re even relevant enough to be giving out life lessons, regardless of how old you are. It’s easy to sit behind a keyboard and spit venom, but that’s not really you—it's just the typical behavior of all these self-appointed moral guardians.