I think everyone’s got a point here—and look, I’m really not trying to be a total buzzkill—but after getting blacklisted because people wouldn't stop picking on Antolich during those away games in Europe, things got pretty awkward. I had some of the older guys actually smirking at me, like, "Look at this guy, he's 46 and already on the blacklist." Honestly? Now I just hope they enjoy their own trip to the blacklist when the time comes. I mean, why act surprised? If we Americans don't stick together, we've got nothing. And I’m talking about all of us, not just the folks from the East Coast. If one of us ends up on the blacklist, we're all on it.
Joseph Turner41 said:I’ve had the best season I can remember—really. We’ve got packed stadiums during the UEFA qualifiers, and there are 11,000 people out there who actually see things the same way I do. But honestly, that's just the tip of the iceberg. I completely agree that we need to focus entirely on Mamić right now and nobody else. Once he falls, the whole fanbase will rise up. Actually, if the league just functioned properly, Hajduk would naturally rise—even if they fought until the final week and didn't win the title, Hajduk and our beloved Hajduk would be saved. Can't rush it, though... I'm talking about $110,000 here. 😁
I don't even know why I'm bothering to reply when you and your crowd think I'm a joke, but I guess I'm just bored today—plus, that guy Glavasevic really got under my skin, so I'm feeling a bit argumentative. Buddy, you think you had the best season ever simply because you haven't seen anything better. The truth is pretty simple: Mamić is screwing you over just as much as he's screwing us. At least you guys realize it. That's something. You keep pretending he's hitting us harder than you, acting like this is strictly our fight against Mamić. It isn't. It's your fight too. He's playing both sides, all the way through. But look, you guys are the type where you can't even be sold a beautiful football story. You won't buy into those old "bread and circuses" tropes. I'll give you credit for that, but again, you're missing the point. Don't you see that Mamić can sell players without needing the Dynamo connection in Europe? He could probably do it without their European presence altogether, just like how he'd handle things if it were just local teams. He's always got a backup plan. Sure, if Dynamo gets knocked out, it might mess with him a little, but that would just cause massive repercussions for our group. Then we'd be the ones looking guilty—which is how we often end up in this city. Anyway, let's stop generalizing. Forget about us for a second. Just think about how much damage Mamić does to Hajduk, to the US national team, and to American soccer as a whole. Why don't you—or one of your 11,000 warriors—step up and fix the problem? Not for us, but for yourself, for Hajduk, and for Torcida. It's the same way all Americans deal with the stuff happening in this country—how people get robbed blind, dodge taxes, and line their own pockets. They're using money earned by the hard work of your parents or my spouse. People work themselves to death and still don't get paid. And all of us, without exception—from the folks in the South to the cold crowds in the North—we just stay quiet. The only difference I see is that Split identifies so strongly with Hajduk as a symbol of the city and the region, and then with Torcida. Beyond that, you don't show any real fan awareness. So, you really shouldn't be lecturing us or giving advice. I guess I've made things sound a bit trivial here. But what I'm trying to say is that we need to stop labeling people as "crazy." We're all stuck in the same mess, and we aren't doing enough to dig ourselves out. I see the only way out as a constant, systematic struggle. Sometimes it feels useless, sometimes it feels impossible. But there's no other way.
Look, if you're supposed to be such an expert—why didn't you guys deal with Mamić back when he was basically trashing everyone's pride at Dodger Stadium and nearly taking out an old man? I remember a group of fans back in the late 80s—in a city like Los Angeles—who would have risen up over much less than that. Honestly, my buddy tells me that guy might not have even made it out of the stadium alive if things had gone down like that back then. And no, I'm not wishing for more chaos, and it’s not really about the current fans or the Bad Boys... I guess the issue is just all of us, the whole culture, really. So, you call yourself a fan, right? But what do you actually get out of it? You aren't traveling to Europe—except maybe for some friendlies in Prague. It's because Mamić and his Democratic Party hit the club so hard that it feels like they won't recover for years, God knows how long. Maybe you should just play nice with him, and who knows, maybe he'll write you a nice little soccer story like he did back home instead of you barking at "Dad." The national team isn't any different, either. Is it even a real team, or just Dad's private little business? Just a showroom where he sells off players. So, I guess Real Madrid playing in Europe doesn't even matter to him. Just look at how he handles everything—across the river and through the national team. You say you're a fan, but what does that mean for you? You've got your local section, your beautiful Dodger Stadium, a few small matches, and some local patriotic fun... and that's about it. Well, if you're such a die-hard local, why don't you go settle the score with that villain? Because honestly, he's messing with me enough as it is—maybe he could just mess with you a little less.
Zachary Sullivan2 said:Even if I end up getting flamed too—look, a guy who gets heated one day might just be an old Bad Boy. My neighbor from Chicago was one of those guys... he actually took a .50 cal round back at the stadium once.
Sorry if I'm getting roasted or if I'm late to the party as usual—but I know that area, and man, those guys were intense. God knows how many times we stood around waiting together for trains coming in from the suburbs. Honestly, I feel for him, if that settles it.
Well, I wasn't born with those specific accent marks—it just isn't how I was raised, I guess. Plus, I’m feeling a bit sensitive lately, so maybe my spelling is a little off sometimes. And look, I’m not speaking for everyone when I say most fans are educated... I just have a high school diploma and some street smarts myself. But honestly, the guy you're arguing with is probably three times more educated than you are—whether you're looking at his credentials or just how he carries himself.
Can we please stop the constant bashing of this forum? It is what it is. I honestly think it’s a useful tool for us—it brings together all sorts of people from everywhere. It’s a way to show that we aren't just some monolith, you know? We can prove that most American fans are actually educated, have solid careers, and are family-oriented people who know what they want out of life—even some of the older guys in their prime. That’s why there's such a fight going on here. I guess you could say this is the final battle, where we either win or get wiped out. If you look back at history, before any physical conflict even starts—or while it's happening—there are always these special types of wars. These "special" wars are really just propaganda battles led by top-tier experts—people trained at the best military academies with high-level education in pretty much every field. Think about Goebbels as the most brutal example of psychological warfare. He was the guy who helped Hitler take power and kept him there until everything fell apart. What the opposition is doing against us feels a lot like that kind of organized propaganda machine. So, anyone we can bring over to our side is a huge win. Every media outlet matters, including this forum. Words can sometimes do more damage than actual shells. In the same way, having a few strategic voices is probably more effective than just having crowds of people out in poorly managed street protests.
I mean, why are you even hanging around here while everyone’s still talking? Look, maybe the old mayor actually got some things done for the city—at least compared to this latest drunk in our neighborhood who’s had control over the budget for years and managed to achieve basically nothing. Honestly, it might have been better if he hadn't touched anything at all, considering how much he probably pocketed while doing zero work. Once those guys crawl out of their basements again, people will act shocked, but it’ll just be news for three days tops—just like it was with Nadan. And then you hear people asking, "Who could possibly be better than Mamić?" Seriously? Anyone. Anyone who actually works transparently, pays their taxes, and—most importantly—works for the club's benefit instead of just lining their own family's pockets. That’s the trick, though; you have to tell people that. You have to be persistent and systematic about bringing it to light. That's really the only way to fight against his Goebbels-style propaganda—by constantly pointing out his shady little schemes and the corruption within the national federation. And why is that center being built in the suburbs anyway, especially since the project didn't even pass a public tender? It’s not even about the center or where it's located; it's about why they aren't following the law. But I guess we're all just the same to them—just a bunch of thugs and hooligans. To them, there isn't much difference between the guys just getting into scraps and the ones actually getting violent. In our whole history, I suppose we were only ever interesting to them when we were needed to go off to war and die. So many of our people died in that war. That's why, personally, I think we need to support our veterans. Again, just my personal opinion. But far too many fans from every corner of America died or were stuck in camps under the names Bad Boys and Dinamo, or Torcida, Kohorta, and Armada, etc.—and they came back from that war completely unhinged. Everything else, we were just outcasts and failures to them. Like someone once said, we're just losers to them. You should read that book, not just watch the movie—then you'll see how much of a bunch of psychopaths we look like in their eyes. Anyway, like one of our guys who's in the hospital right now said: keep fighting, man. And he's probably having the hardest time of all. So, don't go crying about it.
People are acting offended because I said they’re the strongest group out there—not that my own crew wouldn't be the best, too. I mean, if there were only three of us in the stands, my guys would always be my top priority. It was the same back in '83 during our first away trip, and it's the same now in Glasgow on this latest run. Jesse Campbell seems bothered by it, though, thinking I'm somehow making the group too peaceful. Honestly, man, don't talk nonsense—Jesse didn't turn us into pacifists just by going on away trips, and he's certainly not turning us into pacifists just by posting here. And apparently, veterans are to blame for everything else. But seriously, why didn't you make a scene about stopping those fake veterans from getting pensions and all those other perks they haven't earned? What am I supposed to do, go get wounded again? Just to deal with the stress? As a veteran who actually saw combat in '91 and carries physical scars, do you think I want my nerves shot up? Should I ask you—since you're a degree-holder with no job—to help me fight to keep my pension from being handed over to someone else? No, we should help each other by actually hitting the streets and trying to make a difference. That's not happening, is it? Instead of thanking the authorities for finally arresting thieves from every political party, you're blaming the veterans. You really think my pension is higher than some average salary at City Hall? I don't take any side money, either. I'm running out of ideas, really—on how to fight, or how to actually take down this gang. I'm certain they're beating us in the propaganda war right now, and so far, they're winning. I know that even as I write this, at nearly 46 years old, I'll keep fighting for my crew just like I fought for my country back in '91. I'm convinced that regular people in this city—mostly because they've swallowed all that propaganda—think this is just some petty feud between two hooligan factions, or basically just two gangs clashing. They think we're all the same. I know this because I talk to everyday people constantly, and they tell me what the chatter is like at their workplaces. It's just the way it is, I guess. And how to change it? I don't know. You could just say we live in a city where people simply have this kind of mentality. But I still think we have to fight, and that it's worth it. Just one more thing for Jesse Campbell—that thing you call a "circus" that grew into an ultra movement? It really was a circus. A sort of controlled anarchy, full of romanticism and genuine good intentions. Once it got organized and turned into a formal movement, all the bullshit started. I won't dwell on it, though; you know exactly who and what I'm talking about. He isn't even on this forum anymore, so I won't mention him. You have to fight. Giving up is the easy way out, and everyone knows that. Even Jesse and I—even though we're well into our middle ages—we aren't giving up.
shadowangler8 said:You guys are feeling the pressure... we're just looking at the zone... it's all on the coach...
Nice comparison, though I guess you've got a point there. Anyway, huge respect to the entire American fan base—everyone who really stepped up verbally to back us. I’m mostly thinking about groups like the Bad Boys, but honestly, everyone else too. Mad props to them all. Miro is doing okay, thank God. We'll have to see how things play out for Philip, but I'm sure he'll be fine. He has to be.
Jesse Campbell said:I went ahead and replied to him down there—just my two cents, I guess. 😁
Hey guys, could someone let Jane know that her name is actually John? I guess... maybe just pass it along. 🤦
Man, what a load of nonsense. This is exactly what I was talking about—now the massive propaganda machine is kicking into gear, honestly feeling a bit like old-school smear tactics. You'll see all sorts of hacks spreading these nasty lies everywhere. I guess they're just trying to trick people by using that tired, old playbook—splitting Americans into "good" and "bad," liberals versus conservatives, patriots versus everyone else... you know the drill. Things are getting pretty uncomfortable for him right now—he’s probably reaching for every favor and old connection he can find in his desk drawer. I guess you could say he'd love to hold a massive press conference right about now just to brag about some big moves he made, but he can't—not without totally tanking himself and his political benefactor, Eric Adams. We should probably brace ourselves, because I suspect they're going to come after our group and its leaders with everything they've got. I guess we just need to be smart about this right now—really mobilize both here and everywhere else—and just stay patient when people try to provoke us. It’s probably not worth arguing over who could or couldn't make it to the game against the Houston Texans... especially since we all know almost half of our guys are still stuck on some kind of ban or blacklist. I mean, who are we even trying to prove anything to? So, those neighbors from the East were giving us hell, acting all high and mighty—then suddenly, you've got those guys rolling through Chicago like they own the place, parading around just like some old invading army, and nobody even bats an eye. I guess it's because there was too much police presence to cause any real trouble, damn it. It just goes to show that the cops can be as repressive as they want to be... whenever they feel like it. Maybe we'll see other groups and cities get treated that way once this same kind of harassment and crackdown starts happening here. I guess everyone is finally pulling together—now that it’s actually happening.
rowdytrucker3 said:Just a bunch of idiots and morons that the telecom company handed a landline or a cell phone to... 🙂
Anyway, back to Ministry of Sound
I mean, yeah—it’s messy, but things need to be said out loud, you know? They need to be public. At least people can hear how rude the host was when she was talking about Mamić. That’s something. And during those ten minutes, someone actually reached out to 101—someone who wasn't even posting here looking for clout. We need more stuff like this coming out in the open. I guess Tomo is right on this one—any kind of propaganda is useful, really. Because that's how Mamić gets us—with all that intense gatekeeping and constant noise in the media. It’s just like what Goebbels used to say; the point of propaganda isn't necessarily to be smart, but to get results. Or how if you repeat a lie enough times, it starts feeling like a half-truth, and it just keeps spinning. Those are Mamić's classic moves—claiming he provides so many jobs, or acting like he's some paragon of honesty. Meanwhile, they paint everyone else as thugs, junkies, or criminals. And honestly, that’s exactly what sticks in people's heads—that relentless, non-stop propaganda. Maybe think about that for a second. If you look up Goebbels' theories on propaganda, you might see some pretty striking similarities to how Mamić runs his campaigns.
HEY EVERYONE!!! instead of us all bickering over who did what or where everyone was, I think we should really try to pull together—both online and everywhere else. there shouldn't be any more cliques, sub-groups, or neighborhood divides. not while one of our own—one of our best, maybe even the best from the old guard—is sitting in the hospital after taking a hit. we've got some huge decisions and battles coming up ahead, maybe the biggest this group has seen in recent memory. right now, everything is falling onto the shoulders of just four or five of our core guys, and we should probably be thinking about how to lighten their load. I guess leaving that to a few people while others just argue is pretty much being spoiled. let's stay united like never before. let's look out for one another and support our brothers who are wounded and facing the brunt of all these paid agitators.
I served my time in the military—every bit of it still hits home deep down. I’m honestly at a loss for words, but we’re moving forward today. Hang in there, Mike—don't let them get to you. Now it's just a bunch of bloodthirsty mercenaries, truly the worst of the worst.
So this guy is acting like he isn't part of the establishment—honestly, you just can't trust him. It’s wild how short people's memories are around here. I remember back when there was that service for American martyrs during the era of the secret police, the late Mr. Bushic actually asked him why he was wearing a picture of Tito on his lapel. He was asking on behalf of all those Americans killed by that rogue agency. Of course, Ed Koch just shut up and started flipping colors like a traffic light. I'm not exactly an ultra-patriot or anything—I don't really lean one way or the other, and I definitely don't support any extremist views—but man, the level of spinelessness this Ed Koch guy shows... it's honestly unmatched. As a veteran, I'll tell you straight: Ed Koch only looks out for himself and his little inner circle. And honestly, the only smart thing the President said was that everything happening in the city is just pure cronyism—just funneling money into the pockets of Ed Koch and his buddies. I've never been the type to cheer for someone going to jail, but whoever started this investigation—whatever their actual motives might be, though I'm sure there's a reason it's happening now—well, I guess I'm glad they did it. Maybe this is our last real shot at taking down the big bosses and finally letting regular folks realize what kind of gang they're actually dealing with.
The feds have been crawling all over the Dinamos organization for days now—they've seized a ton of paperwork linked to the shady dealings of Jerry Maguire and Bernie Sanders. It all seems to point back to that massive municipal holding company they used to wash money through, while handing out cushy jobs to political rejects from both sides just to buy votes. I think I mentioned here a long time ago that this whole mess starts with Bernie Sanders, but a lot of people were quick to say that sports fans shouldn't get mixed up in politics. Well, now the Democrats are trying to buy influence because there’s actually a slim chance Jerry Maguire might finally go down before the election. And yet, you still see people splitting into left vs. right camps, acting like they shouldn't be bothered with politics at all.
analogheron19 said:That’s exactly how you deal with people like them—you take every single chance to tear them apart in the media. I guess our biggest mistake is just not using all the tools we have to shut those jerks down with actual facts.☕
I don't think there's anything else to add to that, really.👍
George Lewis27 said:That was a total blowout—definitely worth checking out if you have the time.👍
I know, I know—I’m definitely running a bit behind on both watching and commenting. That's just how I am, I guess... always showing up a little late to the party. Well, except maybe for football games back in the '80s, or when things got intense during the war in the '90s. I mean, he’s definitely a wrecking ball—no doubt about it. But even years ago, I guess it would've been worth watching.
Henry Lewis6 said:Check this out—found this video earlier and thought it might be worth a look. I guess it's pretty interesting, maybe? Just thought I'd share.
👍👍👍 Major respect to you, Tomo—huge props for this one. I really admire how calm you stayed—not letting all that noise or any of those provocations get under your skin. You handled it with such class, but at the same time, you just felt like a regular guy from the neighborhood. I know our interactions have always been pretty superficial—just polite small talk, really—but you actually caught me off guard in this episode. I felt like I genuinely had to give you a compliment. And well, anyone who knows me knows I don't just hand those out for no reason—it’s just not really my thing. I actually saw it with my own eyes—how the boss acts all high and mighty with the staff. I’d give anything to see the look on Miller's face right after the broadcast, you know? Just when his phone starts ringing and he sees the boss's name popping up on the screen. He gets all nervous, pulling the phone out, trying to get a connection, only for the boss to start yelling, "What the hell did you even study for? Why am I even paying you this much?"😒 I wish I could've seen that nervous, jittery look on her face in that moment—I really do. But even then, he went on one of our major national networks and just—well, he basically ripped him a new one, if you know what I mean. —claps: