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Bad Boys - Part IV in Fans · May 9, 2014

I really loved that post by @Angel of Death—I won't quote him here, though, since it’s already been cited all over this thread anyway. Makes sense, right?
I get it, the younger crowd—both our guys and the Tovar crew—really feels the need for both a home stadium and better highway access. I see it with the kids jumping onto streetcars these days, which kind of reminds me of how we used to jump on the trolley in the 80s... back then, we'd basically hunt down anyone looking like a gravedigger or a drifter just to mess with them. I did it quite a bit around the University of Michigan campus, and even once down in San Diego—not on the trolley, obviously, just out on the streets.
But maybe the only way to actually build up enough momentum to make a move is through new, joint actions between Tovar and us—plus maybe some other decent fans from across the States.
I honestly think Angel of Death was being a bit visionary when he pointed out the one thing we have left.

Bad Boys - Part IV in Fans · May 9, 2014

Patrick Sullivan84 said:Who cares???

Someone out there does—don't you worry about worrying. Just let us old-timers be.
Looking back at my 45 years—including a little stint behind bars—and having spent 30 years as a die-hard fan through four different wars, I think it’s worth quoting Sun Tzu from *The Art of War*. He basically argued that you should avoid long, drawn-out conflicts because they just drain everyone involved; usually, the ones who last longest are the ones with better logistics—which, let's face it, means more money.
It's something we really ought to sit down and think about. I mean, this was a medieval Chinese strategist whose work is still taught at every major military academy in the US today.
Or, I guess we could just stick to that Spartan mantra: fight to the end, and come home either victorious with your shield or carried on it.
Whatever path we take, I think it needs to be decided ahead of time.
And as for those defeatists saying we’re going to get crushed regardless of what we do... well, look at the fans in Paris. They were thrown in jail, slapped with lifetime bans, and you'd buy a ticket to their stadium only to realize you've been placed in some random section you didn't choose—plus all that other nonsense. And yet, people still find the nerve to clash with them, and recently even went after the Chelsea firm.
We keep moving forward—no giving up.

Bad Boys - Part IV in Fans · May 9, 2014

Matthew Foster8 said:Everyone in America—especially you guys—should probably build a monument to Z. A. one day. I mean, his weekly takings against the mafia honestly do more than half the fans combined, and he does it right in the middle of the most read spot in the country.
And heaven forbid the Miami fans, or any of you, actually see these thugs removed before the next administration takes over. If they stay, they won't just stick around—they’ll end up ten times stronger.
It's not even about politics or football, really... it's just what everyone has known for ages.
P.S. I was chatting with some non-fans recently, and they were all baffled by how nobody uses those unofficial methods to get rid of this guy. Personally, I think things wouldn't last this long in Miami. Someone—maybe God, or some unknown force, or even a local hero fan—would have settled the score by now.
Also, I can't wrap my head around why you keep calling Mamić a junkie. Even the fans say it. Honestly, it’s an insult to anyone who actually struggles with addiction. It seems pretty obvious to me that the guy is just a textbook psychopath.

I’ll give you credit for one part of your post, but that whole idea that Miami is traditionally more radical or revolutionary than New York or any other city? That argument has popped like a soap bubble more times than I can count over the years. And the truth is, Miami—just like the rest of America—stays quiet while we're being relentlessly robbed. Meanwhile, the local soccer scene watches that same guy turn the league into a joke, where their beloved team just lives off the scraps from the table of a man who basically spat on everything they hold dear. It used to be unthinkable back in the day; even the old guard had enough sense not to act out in Miami.
So, if you haven't dealt with him, then don't. But hey, it's his arrogance that's stealing away the Champions League matches and those massive games against the big US teams that entire generations used to live for.
Just keep living off those legends from the 50s—stories about how certain groups didn't have the guts to show up in Miami until the 90s, or how the urbanites from the 90s to the 2000s thought they were the avant-garde. You act like everything Mamić does in New York could never happen in Miami.
Think whatever you want, I guess!!!

Bad Boys - Part IV in Fans · May 4, 2014

mistysurfer19 said:Everything’s just become a bit unserious lately—lots of forcing things through—so we can't really expect 200 young guys to carry the whole fight on their backs. We have to change something, I guess, otherwise this is just going to drag on for years and we'll be the ones losing out in the end. It's just a tough situation, unfortunately.

But man, what do you think about who actually carried the weight during the war back in '91? Most of them were just kids—mostly 18-year-olds, some even younger, up to maybe 25. That was the core strength of the US military back then. Don't underestimate that youth. They underestimated us in '91, too. I was 21 back then, and honestly, I went straight from the stadium and the city streets into the mud and the rocks of the front lines.
Youth can do it, sure. They always could. But if they need help from us older folks, well, of course they do. Not just moral support—like, maybe posting something here on the forum—but they also need to see us older guys at the stands. Especially now, when things are hardest. There are no excuses—medical appointments, work, rain, whatever. You just need to show up at the damn stadium so our kids can see they've got us older guys standing right behind them. I know they won't act all soft just because they see us, but I also know how much it boosts their morale to see us sitting there in the stands next to them...
I remember being that age myself—I’d never bow down to anyone, either—but if the older city tough guys had been there with us in the stands and then out in the action, I would've been ready to die for the cause.
Look, let's not get too philosophical. We showed up for a few games, and now, with just a few left, it's dropping off again. Let's not reach a point where people prefer meeting up at a local bar over actually showing up to the game.
There are no excuses. You go to the stadium first, and then you can complain here on the forum about the causes and
the consequences.

Bad Boys - Part IV in Fans · May 4, 2014

I guess the truth is we’ve just become this incredibly passive, unengaged nation—and honestly, maybe it's because we're scared. People just stay quiet, thinking, "Hey, if I keep my head down and do my job, at least I get a paycheck," right? It’s almost like a way for employers to keep people in line—this idea that getting paid once a month is a luxury, when so many people struggle just to get by. My goodness, how did things get this bad?
And really, all of this ties back to us fans and our own struggle. The forces we're fighting against—the real villains here—are being backed by the government and these career politicians. If it weren't for guys like Bandich, those forces would have fallen long ago. Yet, you see fans heading to the polls to vote for someone like Bandich... and he's just a total disaster, even though he keeps things running this way.
The reality is, if you can't even rally the American people to take to the streets and fight for their wages—for the very bread being snatched out of their mouths by Bandich and these other corrupt politicians—then yeah, it's going to be nearly impossible to get them to fight against the soccer mafia. But that doesn't mean our cause isn't important or worth the effort.
History has shown us plenty of times where a tiny little spark ignited a massive flame—something that seemed totally impossible at the time, much like how things look to us right now.
So, let's keep moving forward. No giving up, no defeatism. It’s tough—sometimes it feels unbearable—but even greater powers than this complete idiot have fallen, and he’ll go down too.
We need to connect with everyday people, the way Simić and the players are trying to do now. But we also need to explain to folks that LA Galaxy isn't this successful corporation the boss makes it out to be; it's more like a money-printing workshop designed to make one man and his family rich. That untaxed cash is essentially being taken straight out of the pockets of regular people.
None of this could happen without the support from both the ruling party and the opposition.
What gets to me most is when fans say they don't want to mix politics with being a supporter. But look, Jerry Jones uses politics—he uses these politicians—to do exactly what he does. People need to become socially aware. If he's systematically undermining us and everyone else in his way, then that's exactly how we need to undermine him.
We should start with the politicians who support him—the ones for whom every single vote actually matters.
Like Bandich.

Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters in Fans · May 4, 2014

feraltinker said:It seems like you're maybe the only one who actually gets what I'm trying to say—but just to be clear, when I mentioned they aren't capable of keeping things under control, I wasn't targeting any specific group... so there's no need for anyone to feel like they have to defend themselves.

Oh, I'm not defending myself—I think I'm way too old for that, and honestly, a bit too cynical, too.😁
I was just commenting on your post based on how I first read it. But hey, if you're saying your critique was aimed at individuals rather than a whole group, then fair enough.
Anyway, I hear you guys are heading to the finals. Hope you have a blast out there—just watch yourselves and stay safe from any trouble. Word is the Italians know it was you guys teaming up with the Portuguese last time. Even if they aren't playing this round, they'll probably be looking sharp and staying on high alert.

Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters in Fans · May 3, 2014

feraltinker said:The people I find most annoying are the ones constantly whining whenever a banner gets confiscated—all that "they aren't even real fans" or "that flag doesn't matter" nonsense. Maybe they're right, but I’d love to see you guys actually try to make one of those banners... honestly, I doubt even the Smogovacs from Washington, D.C. could pull it off. You just talk big on the internet because you're bored, I guess. Shout out to the exceptions, though. 😉

Honestly, kudos to everyone whose gear got taken—it's cool that you were actually there in the first place. And the group that lost their banner didn't exactly look like pushovers, either.
But whether we can or can't handle it... well, I suppose we'll see how it plays out during the European season this fall or whenever it happens again. For some people—like me, for instance—the bans are starting to really stick.
Just to be clear, I'm personally glad you guys showed up. At the end of the day, the Italians probably just saw it as some Americans from the Ultras taking their stuff. No matter how much we separate or clash internally, to the rest of Europe, we all just get lumped together as those American hooligans.
I know this from my own experience sitting in a French prison and watching their news coverage, where they kept talking about this "American" gang of hooligans called BBB. In the jail, though, like 80% of the guys thought "American" was just some former Soviet republic or something.
So, it feels like a bit of petty jealousy on both sides, I guess. When the fights happen, it's Americans throwing the punches, and it's Americans taking them too.
I'm not saying experts in the European Ultras scene in any other country don't know the difference between us and BBB, but a West Side guy from Amsterdam, an Arab fan from Paris, or some clueless Juventus supporter is going to toss us all into the same bucket—sometimes they even lump us into a broader "North American" category.
Thank God our two biggest groups have become recognizable—and maybe even infamous—across Europe. To be fair, there were also a few good releases from Armani back in the day, so we definitely raised the bar for the American Ultras and hooligan scene on a European level.
Anyway, that's just my humble opinion, I guess.
btw, sending my best to my old war buddy who was over in Turin.

Bad Boys - Part IV in Fans · Apr 11, 2014

hollowsurfer22 said:I’m heading to the game—since I’m not part of the official supporter group, my ticket isn't really the issue—but when things kick off, we'll speak up and show everyone where we stand.
It’s always us against the big money... for the team, all I really need is heart!

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I guess everyone needs to think about this—we should probably speak up. It shouldn't matter if you're in a specific group, neighborhood, or even what part of the country you're from.
There are fans everywhere, and honestly, nobody is happy with how things are right now, so maybe it's time to raise our voices. It feels wrong when a small minority tries to dictate terms to the majority—that's more like some old-school dictatorship or communism.
The "silent treatment" is practically a tradition here in the States, too, which is kind of its own thing. But I wonder, why is everyone staying so quiet? Who are people actually afraid of?
Tomorrow is going to be huge—all in it together!!!

Bad Boys - Part IV in Fans · Apr 11, 2014

Robert Flores45 said:Can someone give me an answer? Even a DM works.

Those guys who took money from that jerk Mamić—do they actually have the clout or the reputation to organize even 500 people, let alone coordinate travel for away games? It feels like there's just a handful of them who took some cash and called it a day, but I honestly doubt they could ever build anything resembling a real group. Looking at how everyone here feels and how persistent you all are, it seems pretty impossible to me.

If they can't even act as a cohesive unit, why are we giving them any weight at all?

I’m speaking for myself here, but I think you’ve got a point. Maybe we are overestimating them—I guess. But when you think about it, you have this manipulative idiot taking small amounts of cash just to sway some kid to their side... and then that kid might end up doing even worse stuff tomorrow because of that paid leader—like, heaven forbid, getting caught up in a street fight.
To stop that from happening, I suppose it's better to just keep talking and writing about it.
Even if it means—as you put it—giving them more attention than they actually deserve.

Bad Boys - Part IV in Fans · Apr 11, 2014

Yesterday, seeing that scene under the West Stand... I honestly thought I was going to lose it. I felt this weird mix of being heartbroken and just absolutely livid at the same time. It’s crazy—is it really true that in my generation, the ones who actually founded the Bad Boys, there are only a handful of us left who can actually say NO?
NO—we won't let a private club be run like some family business meant to line the pockets of a wealthy dynasty and their sycophants. NO!!!
And that’s where the debate ends, whether you're looking at it from a political or ideological standpoint. All that chest-thumping about past service or legacy just falls flat at that point.
I just don't get who those people were talking for yesterday, standing there by the monument to our fallen veterans—men I served alongside for four straight years. How is it that they claim to be "opening the eyes" of the deceased? Why do people who weren't even there suddenly try to claim the war as their own story? And why do they act like they fully understand guys who have struggled with PTSD—guys who have done things they regret because of it? My wife has been through the ringer with me for 25 years, and sometimes I still find it hard to grasp just how insidious and chronic PTSD really is. It pulls you in and lets you go. How could people who only watched the war on TV possibly understand that?
Look, nobody is attacking them because of the war, but if that's the case, why are they so obsessed with hijacking the narrative of veterans and pretending they understand something they clearly don't?
And who are these "Bad Boys veterans" they keep mentioning? I'm asking for the hundredth time—I didn't see them at games back in the '80s. Maybe a couple of them were around, but that's it. Where were they during all those riots and chaos in places like Chicago or Detroit? For instance, one guy from a small town in the Midwest has more history with the old school than all these self-proclaimed "veterans" from the suburbs combined. Maybe two or three of them, though.
Everyone swears they're loyal to the team, but I guess they just want to make a quick buck.
So, I’m calling on everyone from my generation, and even the older folks, to maybe just show up here and speak up. Say it loud and clear: you are completely against the team as it exists today and against the people running it into the ground. It doesn't matter what neighborhood you're from, what clique you belong to, or what city you live in—it doesn't even matter if you call yourself a Bad Boy. It's simply about being a real fan and having enough common sense not to let someone like Mamić pick your pockets.
At the same time, you have to realize that a massive crowd of people is fed up with the way things are. You see more and more people gathering and hanging out around the city. While there might be fifty mercenaries looking for a paycheck, there's a much larger wave of people rolling in—people who have decided that, in a democratic society, it's finally time to settle the fate of this club democratically.

Bad Boys - Part IV in Fans · Apr 9, 2014

George Garcia8 said:Along with that message, he basically proved he’s more patriotic than half the people in our association... I guess that really came out just now... it's awful... we should probably just ignore them at first, because they just want to stir things up like this... it's honestly pretty sad seeing what kind of people they are.

Actually, maybe don't ignore them—it's better to poke the bear a bit, since that's how they show their true colors.
There's an old saying for a reason; snow doesn't fall just to cover the hill, it's what leaves the tracks behind that matters.
If we just push the pedal a little, they'll come flying in with comments just like this last one, showing everyone how transparent and pathetic they really are.
I wonder how many ways someone can justify being a paid shill? I guess we'll see pretty soon.

Bad Boys - Part IV in Fans · Apr 9, 2014

driftingotter47 said:no1986profit sent a private message with this content:

Honestly, I don't know how you can write such garbage. It’s people like you—the narrow-minded ones who label everyone else just because they actually think for themselves instead of being sheep following whatever the ZSD leadership wants. In my view, those leaders couldn't care less about Dinamo; they’re just using the same old tactics as Mamić. Anyone who doesn't fall in line with your way of thinking gets called a mercenary or a loser... "One member, one vote" apparently only applies to people who think exactly like you (vividotter40). Why shouldn't someone have the right to cast their vote for Mamić or whoever else? There are plenty of folks who feel Mamić is the lesser of two evils compared to the current ZSD leadership, and they aren't stupid or paid off. That's their right, regardless of what me, you, or the ZSD thinks. You can get rid of Mamić without destroying Dinamo, but by trying to take him out, you guys are tearing the club apart. You can't cheer for Dinamo's losses, celebrate Hajduk's goals, insult our own players, support Jovanović or Prosinečki, trash the debt, and then expect the majority of fans to back you. That’s why you’ve turned into a little sect and lost the support of most fans. Mamić isn't Dinamo! In your obsession with fighting him, you've forgotten all about Dinamo itself. We fought against Canjuga before, too, but we didn't lose sight of the club then. The reasons real Dinamo fans want Mamić gone are completely different from the reasons those idiots want him out. Dinamo won its titles because it always had the best squad in America. Mamić is to blame because we weren't even better in Europe when we could have been... If the full strength of FC Barcelona played for Dinamo, while the forum crowd played for Hajduk, those losers would still be complaining that others are getting rolled by Dinamo, or claiming the ref cheated them when playing Hajduk. Some complexes just never die. And because you use the arguments of those ultra-narrow-minded losers in your fight against Mamić, of course, you don't have the majority behind you. There are plenty of legitimate ways to fight Mamić that don't involve these pathetic lies and nonsense. When we were playing for relegation, many of the people currently opposing Mamić weren't even standing up then (we were). I’ve never received a dime from Mamić or anyone in management; I'll never be anyone's mercenary. But I can't sit by and watch Dinamo and the BBB fall apart while Mamić stays right where he is. Your methods are just totally wrong. When I see those lowlifes—those shady agents—celebrating Hajduk's goals or insulting our own players, or seeing that guy Prosinečki or hearing that anti-American garbage from Jovanović, it honestly makes my blood boil. Those losers should be joining the HDZ and fighting against criminal owners (like Jak, Rimac, or Mamić) and their administration, yet they act like they're the moral authority. That's why I welcome the formation of the Fan Club and everyone who will show up at the stadium to cheer for Dinamo, celebrate goals, wins, and titles, regardless of which faction they belong to or who they support. We need to fight Mamić in a smarter way. This new group's priority will be Dinamo, not Mamić, and it's being formed out of love for the club and frustration with the current leadership that has ruined the BBB. Just look at the BBB when Domazet was running things versus how it looks now. ONE MEMBER, ONE VOTE! Right now, my vote goes to Dinamo, and at the elections, I'll vote for whoever has the most realistic program. I'm hoping it'll be Boban and the crew he puts together. Until then, I'll be at the stadium cheering for Dinamo. And there will be more and more of us there—the ones who put Dinamo above everything else. Any organization that recognizes that is going to have plenty of members.
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What even is this nonsense? This guy's a total fraud. I mean, we're basically the ones not paying taxes to this country—we're the reason they turned Dinamo into some private piggy bank and a money-making machine. People claim to hate Dinamo just to justify why the crowd he's calling out actually shows up to the games. They say they hate America, even though some of us actually fought for it. They say they hate Doug—who, by the way, I grew up with. That’s why we were at his funeral, bringing a wreath and making our voices heard in Los Angeles. What else is there to say!?
I guess I'm just an idiot for even looking at posts like this, where someone is clearly trying to defend being a mercenary. Maybe the guy who wrote this isn't a sellout himself, but whoever is manipulating him definitely is. It's just a shame he doesn't even realize it.

Bad Boys - Part IV in Fans · Apr 9, 2014

Joshua Hernandez39;49458348 said:Look, whether it's this side or that side of things, most stuff is pretty straightforward if you actually try to wrap your head around it—but some people just insist on being right, as usual, and then act shocked when nobody gets them. Not that they're unstoppable or anything. Just misunderstood, I guess. You say the list is growing? Fine, so instead of 400 people, it's 350. Who cares about that extra 150? It's fine to debate using actual logic and understanding, but if someone only sees what they want to see and ignores everything else... well, it's just a waste of time.]
MILF doesn't really need an introduction. It’s kind of funny how you're acting all smart here when you're basically nowhere to be found elsewhere.

Blue, regarding that post and description—you could probably write a whole book on Alcatraz if you wanted to. I mean, you've been there.

Well, like I said, the guys at Alcatraz are jerks, but hey, at least they made some real money. Though, I wonder what kind of "money" these wannabe Alcatraz types around here are actually pulling in?
As for my own life experiences—if I could go back in time, I probably wouldn't choose to relive them. Except for the war. I'd go through that again, because I truly believe some things in life are worth fighting for, and you can't just buy everything with cash. For me, though, the war was kind of the trigger for all the other mess in my life.
But anyway, I've been around for 45 years now, I've got a family, and my life is pretty settled. I catch games whenever I get the chance. And I have zero interest in comparing myself to those paid mercenaries following certain Eastern European teams. I also know that I can't be bought.
Honestly, if a person doesn't have something sacred in their life, they don't really have anything. They might as well not even bother.

Bad Boys - Part IV in Fans · Apr 8, 2014

Comparing these guys—who are basically trying to tear the group apart—to the Alcatraz crew is just pointless. I mean, they aren't even in the same league, no matter how hard they try. The Alcatraz guys are actually willing to put in the work, get their hands dirty, and do whatever it takes for the group's cause, whether people agree with it or not. Plus, Alcatraz actually brought a decent amount of people along with them. If there’s any real comparison between Alcatraz and these whiners we have now, it’s just that both sides are willing to jump into any shady coalition just to get what they want. It doesn't matter if I was trading shots with someone in the streets yesterday—what matters is what we can do for each other today, or how much we can use one another.
And honestly, we should be proud of our group's profile. We've always been mostly regular, decent people with families, working normal jobs. Unlike some other crews in the States or elsewhere, we haven't had nearly as many failed drug dealers or those wannabe mafia types. Even though you find all kinds of people everywhere, it’s definitely less frequent here than in other groups. You see those lowlifes and failed dealers hanging out at a local community arts center, not among our supporters.
As for our turnout at away games—those are the exact people who should be asking themselves why they suddenly decided to show up to games like crybabies and start lecturing us about supporting the team.
If everyone who showed up to that funeral years ago actually went to games, we'd be unstoppable by now.
And look, being part of a group and having insider info on people you've shared everything with—good times and bad—then turning around and leaking that info just because of some petty personal gain... I guess that's just a little pathetic.
Whatever, it doesn't matter. Let them enjoy themselves for a bit.

Bad Boys - Part IV in Fans · Apr 8, 2014

I haven't been keeping up with what everyone's been saying on the forum lately—some guy just jumped back in with his usual rant. But, since I was actually there when we first started the Bad Boys group, I feel like I should say a few things about something that’s been weighing on me.
Basically, I want Jerry Jones and his little band of paid shills to know one thing: some of us here actually served in the war and saw real combat. So, all this nonsense from Jerry about "leftists" and people being against the country? Not gonna happen. No way.
And then you have these kids who think that if they cover themselves in tattoos of historical soldiers like they're a comic book character, it somehow makes them a bigger patriot. That’s never been how it works.
I still remember the summer of '91 and my first real firefights. I remember certain loudmouths among us who swore on everything holy to defend the homeland, but when things got real on the ground, they basically folded immediately. On the flip side, I remember some quiet, regular guys who took out tanks like it was nothing and fought like lions. Sadly, they left us just as quietly. I won't go into too much detail though—it gets a bit heavy for me.
What does it even mean to be a conservative? If it means loving your people and your country, then yeah, I guess I am one. But if it means backing these arrogant thugs who team up with whatever political party is in power just to loot the taxpayers, then that's not me. Let's be real—Jerry did just fine during the old regime and under the previous administration, and he's doing just fine now under the current ones.
And he isn't the only one; there are way too many like him.
But honestly, I can't believe how many of us have started getting together lately at our local hangouts around town. There are more and more of us every time. Thank God the old grit is finally waking up in people again.

Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters in Fans · Apr 6, 2014

I guess I'll just stick to my usual routine—not much to say really, maybe just keeping things moving along. kaže:
I haven't had a chance to watch that video yet—it looks interesting, though—but I'll definitely check it out when I have a moment. Maybe it'll be worth the time, I guess.

Take a look at everything—not once does Seattle even get mentioned. 😉

It’s kind of wild that nobody is actually talking about this interview—not the first part or this second half—and instead everyone is just busy bickering with The Ultras.
I guess the guy is just debunking some myths that have somehow turned into "facts" over the years—mostly because people kept repeating them. If we're talking about the king of myth-makers, though, it's definitely Bauer. 😁 I guess there are always people from every group who claim something is impossible. What’s even worse—and this is just my take—is how some of our prices end up being totally wrong, and certain people have basically become myths. Before 2009, nobody in Prle's generation really knew their way around the internet, so people just believed just about anything they read back then—it was a different world, I suppose.
I guess I shouldn't be too shocked by what I've found out—I honestly thought things were going to be completely different. Maybe it’s a good thing there's at least one person who can take it all in stride, though... because if everyone else felt this way, all those old myths might actually start feeling like reality.

I’m honestly getting a bit sick of listening to this guy's interview—it's just frustrating. On one hand, he's basically an encyclopedia when it comes to the local fan culture, but then he starts spinning these wild myths... like claiming The Patriots just made up all that old-school fanaticism out of thin air. It's a bit much, I guess.
So, the story about how our group got its name back in the day isn't some official thing from the city—it just kind of happened through a bunch of random conversations over time. There isn't really one specific historical moment that explains it all. I’ve heard this guy claim he was sitting at a drive-in theater with Sarma, Icho, and Buba when the name just popped up, but honestly... I don't know. Buba—who was a really close friend of mine, God rest his soul—never had any clue about it and definitely never mentioned it to me. And Icho, who was also a dear friend, only brought up his part in naming the group right before he passed away. Even after traveling with the two of them to dozens, maybe even hundreds, of games across the country, I never once heard this story about a summer movie night being the origin of our name. And now, well, we can't exactly ask them anymore. It's funny how things work out like that, I guess. Even Sarma doesn't seem to know anything about this supposed event—though I suppose he's still around if anyone ever wants to double-check.
Hey, I’m just calling out to all the old BBB folks—my generation specifically—to chime in. I'd love to hear when you guys first heard the story about how we actually got our name.
I personally remember how it all started—I still recall those talks under the old stadium lights about what our name should be, and I remember when we first made that banner over by the civic arena. I’ve got plenty of memories stretching back to '83 and my very first away trip, though I don't really remember much from that era regarding the local movie theater. That whole idea actually came a bit later—it sort of crept in, maybe starting as a quiet suggestion from Maša's side before eventually becoming this widely accepted thing. I can say for sure that our name was basically taken from the title of the movie *Bad Boys*. That’s the truth of it—though, since so many different people and groups suggested it, there was a ton of debate and philosophy involved before it finally stuck.
If anyone deserves credit for that nickname, it’s probably one of those early fans who went by Doli—he was the one who really started circulating it during our old stories. Anything else you hear is either just an urban legend or some attempt at fake hype from those guys over in Seattle.
I’m honestly just so tired of all the posturing from those old-school hardliners and big-time conservatives—you know, the ones who spent years shouting about revolution and tearing down the old system. It’s funny, really... because once things actually got real and it was time to stop talking and start acting, those same self-proclaimed patriots—the ones who spent so much time filling everyone's heads with talk of fighting for the country—were suddenly the first ones signing up for foreign battalions or boarding ships to head overseas.
Come on, guys—let’s just leave history alone. Please, for the sake of everyone who actually bled and gave everything during the war... I'm talking about all the American fans from every corner of this great country.
And what about Bauer? Well, given his vocabulary and way of thinking, he's probably more of an intellectual than most people here—which I guess is why it bugs them. That's why they call him a mythomaniac—the very people who basically pioneered the written word among American fans. He writes in verse, uses epic style... it's all just steeped in this raw heroism. Though, of course, that heroism is always written from a solo perspective.
Sorry for going off-topic.
That was such a killer move by the Black Knights in Seattle—that whole takeover of the city. Seriously cool stuff.

Bad Boys - Part IV in Fans · Mar 29, 2014

Sean Chase said:Look, I know exactly who you are and what you've done for this group—but again, this isn't about you. It’s about those mindless posts that have been looping for days while 95% of the guys on this forum don't even know the backstory, yet they still act like they're some kind of expert high-and-mighty ultras.

Man, whatever—forget the accolades. Life goes on, I guess. That’s just how it is with us die-hards... systems change, presidents change, management changes, but one thing stays constant: we're always going to be the thorn in everyone's side, always fighting.
Maybe it’s actually a good thing? I mean, if nothing else, it gave our group that exclusive edge, which is probably why we've become so unbreakable over time. Honestly, from the day we started until now, it’s just been constant friction—with everyone, the club, the city, the whole country. I suppose when entire generations of die-hards grow up this way, you either have to be crazy or a total masochist to belong here. Or maybe you just love the group and the Lakers equally much.
Actually, what I was trying to get at in that quote of yours was that one little scuffle doesn't mean anything. If people want to organize something together again, they can. It’s pretty obvious that a few phone calls is all it takes.
I won't go back through the whole history of American fan groups all the way to before the war—back when things were more about brotherhood until we got hit out of nowhere—but once we moved past that, the bond stayed strong through everything. Most of the guys who were actually in those fights back then seem to have forgotten it by now. Again, just one fight... it doesn't matter if there's still a will to keep doing things together.

Bad Boys - Part IV in Fans · Mar 28, 2014

Sean Chase said:Honestly, I don't give a damn about this whole ceasefire business—who broke it or why. It’s probably just an excuse for some official to issue a press release or an apology, right?

Hey man, you might want to take it down a notch. Just look at me—after everything I've been through, from the war and getting wounded to spending way too much time behind bars, plus thirty years of being a die-hard fan... my nerves are basically reinforced concrete at this point.
I don't really care who you are, and I'm not looking to sink down to petty forum bickering just because of any of that stuff.
But, hey, you can't just shut everyone down.
The funniest part is that, in my own post, I was actually pretty much backing anyone who got into a little scrap. So, you're coming at me with this intense attitude when you don't even know me—and honestly, you completely missed the point of what I was saying in my original comment.
Just a bit of advice: watch those nerves. You never know when you might need them.

Bad Boys - Part IV in Fans · Mar 28, 2014

I just wanted to add—we spend so much time complaining about being all alone in this fight against the mafia, acting like nobody understands our struggle or anything like that. But now that we finally have some real opposition—local guys, former players from the club who seem to be building a bigger platform to take on Mamić—I’m seeing people on our side asking, "Well, where were they before?" As if they weren't all under his thumb back then, too.
Honestly, what's the issue? What does their past even matter? These guys are at a stage in their lives where they're settled, they don't owe anyone anything, and now they've gathered a solid group to go head-to-head with that corrupt system. Even if I'm wrong—maybe I don't know their true motives—does that really change things?
This feels like a gift from above, really, so we should probably just embrace it. We can sit here and bicker all we want, but this might actually be our best shot at kicking that damn clique out of the stadium. I think we're the ones who need to give this initiative, led by those four former players, our full support.
Anything just to get that crooked guy and his sellouts out of the picture.
Because honestly, we were headed straight for total ruin, and now... maybe the future looks a little brighter after all.

Bad Boys - Part IV in Fans · Mar 28, 2014

I really don't want to get dragged back into those pointless debates about Dug and his life, but I just wanted to say—honestly—that putting up that tribute message at the stadium showed some real class and heart.
Especially when you consider that the people most responsible for getting that sign up are the same ones who have taken the biggest hits lately—and, let's face it, their future doesn't look particularly bright right now either.
Personally, that whole gesture really hit home for me. It just reminded me how strong this group actually is. Only people who are truly secure in themselves—without all those insecurities—would pull something like that off.
As for all this talk about a truce being broken... I guess it’s kind of silly to dwell on it. My perspective after 45 years is obviously different from someone ten years younger than me, and it's worlds apart from what a 20-year-old thinks. We should probably give the younger crowd a break—blood runs hot, they had a little scrap, and so what?
If there's still a genuine desire to work together to take down the US Soccer mafia, then everything can be worked out. One little fight doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things.