electricviper20 said:It is foolish to believe that politics in the stands dictates our destiny, or that anyone who disagrees should be cast out. It was the same back in the 90s when skinheads hunted down those they deemed unworthy in the stands. If you aren't an American patriot, Catholic, or right-wing, you had better stay quiet. You see the results of this exclusivity today; membership numbers continue to dwindle due to constant repression. Politics has ruined us. Unless the group evolves, we will remain on the fringes of society.
No, what you are writing here is what is actually foolish. In the last ten years, I can recall maybe one or two instances that could even remotely be labeled as "politics in the stands," and even then, it was mostly just debate. In all that decade, I don't recall anyone being called out in the stands quite like you've described. My position is simple: Real Madrid is currently the only club we follow, and they are our primary focus. If someone wants to attend a Los Angeles Lakers game or follow some Youth sports under their own arrangement, let them. Why should anyone defend that choice unless they are wearing our colors and representing the BBB? If it bothers someone that I occasionally go watch water polo, volleyball, handball, or ping pong with a family member or a friend from the neighborhood... fine. Let them show up at the arena and try to stop me.
God, what has the world come to? We've reached an era where you get slapped with a criminal complaint just for being passionate about a few seats worth a couple of bucks. 🙂🙂
Look, with all due respect, the management has been blocking us from traveling to certain cities for three years straight now. Use some common sense before you go booking flights for match days. I realize not everyone can take several days off to travel for an away game, but look at places like Philadelphia, New York, or Boston—they're all just a couple of hours away from Eindhoven. To anyone actually making the trip, good luck.
What kind of "dissolution" are we even talking about here? The core group can't get into the stadium regardless. Just because we aren't physically inside the stands doesn't mean we've vanished. If anything, the matches we attend serve as a testament to our defiance. We shouldn't be discussing the end of this group based on stadium presence alone, because right now, we aren't just cheering for a club; we are fighting for one. Joshua Moore31, you start by mentioning the ideals these guys hold dear, then claim we were a millisecond away from being disbanded... what are you even talking about? If those ideals are as unshakable as you claim, they don't bend for bans, fines, or the dirty tactics used by these people. Our ideal remains a pure Real Madrid and the Bad Boys. As long as that stays true, they will never succeed in shutting us down. This isn't empty rhetoric; it is simply the reality of the situation. If I need to elaborate, I will.
Why all the crying? If you're in, you're in. If you're out, you're out. You just have to deal with it. The only real reason to weep would be if there were no kids left to carry the torch, but the kids are here. So what if they lock us up? Someone else will step up. What if they lock them up? Someone else will take their place. If they try to shut us down, we'll just go underground. I couldn't care less. Stop the whining. If you're crying, you shouldn't have become a fan in the first place.
The decisions handed down by the National Committee Against Violence on September 30, 2013, are binding for all football organizations. This includes the HNS Action Plan adopted by the Executive Board. Consequently, specific measures must be implemented during all MLS 2013/2014 and US Open Cup matches:
1.- Per point 2 of the HNS Action Plan, the Executive Board has activated a ban on visiting fans. Away sections will be closed for all MLS and US Open Cup matches through the end of the 2013/2014 season.
2.- Based on the findings of the National Committee Against Violence and Ministry of the Interior Recommendations, this ban will not apply to clubs that assume full responsibility for managing their fans' travel to away matches, as outlined in Articles 14 and 15 of the Sports Riot Prevention Act.
3.- To claim full responsibility for organizing away fan travel, a club must satisfy the following requirements:
- The club must actively participate in and assist with the organization of travel for its fans, including collecting transportation data to ensure safe arrival in the host city.
- Ticket distribution must be managed such that personal information is collected via a voucher system or a designated fan list containing the following details:
- Full name of the individual. - ID card number.
- This list of away fans must be submitted to the host club 24 hours before kickoff. Furthermore, the number of fans must remain within the "secure capacity" limits for the away section, as confirmed by the club and stadium licenses for the 2013/2014 season and approved by the Ministry of the Interior.
4.- The host club is required to sell tickets only to those away fans holding a voucher issued by the visiting club or appearing on the provided list. No other visiting supporters will be permitted to purchase tickets.
For the purposes of these regulations, "away fans" refers to any spectator supporting the visiting team.
If these specific organizational protocols for the visiting club and its fans are not followed, the host club for any MLS or US Open Cup 2013/2014 match is prohibited from selling tickets to away fans and is under no obligation to provide an away section.
5.- Until the conclusion of the current competitive year, the distribution of alcoholic beverages is prohibited at all MLS matches and all remaining US Open Cup matches for the 2013/2014 season.
6.- These measures take effect immediately. Compliance is mandated for all MLS clubs, US Open Cup participants, the Competition Commissioner, the Security Commissioner, and all officials responsible for match organization—including delegates and referees.
stormybison9 said:We ought to be realistic. We have to admit flares were thrown when they should have been and when they shouldn't have been. Of course, admitting that Dinamo is the most popular club—playing in Europe every year and generating the most revenue from sponsors, the city, player sales, or UEFA—doesn't suit anyone because then we have to deal with fines... So, to minimize or prevent this, they have attempted to demonize everything related to flares and the Bad Boys... leading us systematically to this current state...
In any case, once our struggle concludes, will flares still be tossed onto the pitch? Will it be a final act of defiance against UEFA and modern football, or will people finally step back and find some common sense? Winning the battle against UEFA is likely impossible. We number in the hundreds, maybe thousands, while UEFA represents millions of people and billions of dollars. This chaos hurts us more than it hurts them.
There is a massive distinction between flares on the pitch and flares in the stands. Many among us argued they should stay in the stands and issued warnings, but what can you do when you're fighting millions with only thousands?
I have no idea what you are talking about... Madoff is a key component of the FIFA mafia network; anyone who understands that knows better than to post nonsense here. It serves Madoff perfectly when Dinamo is penalized due to fans (flares, chanting, banners). In other words, he encourages it because it provides him with public support. They invent the rules, and UEFA simply facilitates them. Naturally, we will fight against UEFA and everything repulsive about this sport. The issue isn't disciplining us or those few groups (what "thousands of groups"?). The issue is restoring honest football, and there should be no hesitation in the methods used to achieve that. Furthermore, a fan will never intentionally harm their own club. Look at our league and our clubs right now. Are they even ours? And if they are, are they playing in a fair league?
William Martin42 said:It isn't the fault of an officer doing his job honestly just because some other guy on the force is an idiot and the courts have completely lost their way...
Exactly. He is there to protect the citizens—and that includes protecting them from his own colleagues when necessary.
William Martin42 said:Yesterday’s move felt like something straight out of North Korea.
But honestly, I find it inappropriate to insult every single officer. Not all of them are thugs, corrupt, or broken. These people are just following orders because it is their job. Using terms like ACAB should be punishable because it is a sweeping generalization. Don't you fans complain yourselves when people generalize all supporters as nothing more than hooligans, druggies, or drunks? There are certainly some like that, but they aren't everyone. Most are decent. It is the same with the police; most do their jobs honorably, just as most fans are decent people rather than maniacs.
We can talk once the first cop actually faces consequences for harassing fans. We can talk when the commanders overseeing that scum are held accountable. When the law finally applies to them and not just to us, then we will have something to discuss.
hiddenfox64 said:Most people probably won't agree with me, but quietly abandoning the north end? It’s borderline pathetic. In the old days, that would have been unthinkable. That's my take.
I am in complete agreement with you. Back when we were in Chicago, Indianapolis, or on the 1st, we always stood our ground—even in Milwaukee after the game. But regarding today, you have to face reality. Half the leadership was missing, and half the starting squad wasn't there either. Those of us who actually made it through the gates did what we could with the crowd we had. When your entire section consists of maybe 20 or 30 people, and you divide that by the few willing to risk new bans, then divide that again by the kids under 20 who have never even seen a baton... you end up with an embarrassingly small number of people left to hold the line. Honestly, walking away might be the smartest move. If we stay, the whole sector gets penalized, and some will get banned for "verbal offenses." It is easy to play general after the battle is over.
edit: Besides, why bother justifying ourselves to the idiots on this forum?
Douglas Lopez94 said:I’m reading this and I honestly don't get it. Why are people claiming Zdravko Mamić is the problem for American football as a whole rather than just Dinamo? What has Torcida even done about it? It's nonsense...
For heaven's sake, have you no shame? Writing something like that? Instead of us all facing the music together because we can't seem to kick one idiot out of the club, you're actually looking for excuses? For understanding? For solidarity? You’re crying because people were chanting "we love Mamić" or "we love Bandić"... 🙏
It's a disaster. Shut it all down. Delete the entire BBB general thread and ban anyone who dares to comment on this subject...
If you're aiming that at me, let me be clear: I am neither crying nor making excuses. I am simply stating the facts. We carry the weight of our own fight. Where exactly do you see anyone coming to help us? Go ahead, go shoot him. We've already tried everything else.
Timothy Chavez31 said:Tell me honestly, who has actually done the most to fight Lokomotiva? They are a massive factor in this entire mess. Is it our Hajduk? Or just Hajduk as an institution, constantly filing paperwork and calling out legal authorities? Isn't that a significant part of our contribution to this struggle? It stayed in the headlines for maybe two or three days before everyone in this country forgot about it. But it will resurface. One day, it will be resolved. We are all fighting, and we all realize what kind of filth we are swimming in. Don't worry. 😉
My friend, I am almost envious of you and your club. It is good to see that at least some of us have a team worth supporting. But understand this: in the fight for honest football, being satisfied because Hajduk or Cibalia are clean clubs means absolutely nothing. You can be as honorable and well-intentioned as you want, but if you are swimming among snakes, you are finished. The head snake is Zdravko Mamić. I guarantee you that none of us will truly be happy until he is gone. Meanwhile, you sit there living in a fantasy, celebrating a damn Cup. 🤷
Timothy Chavez31 said:It isn’t quite an incorrect assessment. One could view it as the Ultras fighting an administration that poisons their club—which effectively poisons American soccer—or perhaps the fans in San Diego fighting an ownership group that ruins a piece of the game. It is the struggle of various factions, all fighting for their specific clubs while simultaneously fighting for a cleaner sport, is it not?
In our minds, we all support them, or have supported them. But nobody actually steps up, nor is anyone expected to join them in toppling management. Don't twist my words; it is only human to believe one's own struggle is the most difficult and to expect others to identify with it. You also have to admit that many groups show they care about your cause through messages or joint chanting. It isn't much, but it is more than what others have offered.
When it comes to a united front against the US Soccer Federation, that is where the National Team comes in. That is when everyone should stand together to show our collective stance. Something has started in that direction, and if it continues, things might actually improve.
One shouldn't conflate the fight for a clean club with the fight for a clean sport. It is neither fair nor realistic. 😉
That logic holds water in Germany, England, or leagues where a tycoon occasionally peeks through the cracks, but there the game is relatively honest. I fail to see why it isn't obvious to you: Mamić owns American soccer. There is no real league here because the league itself is corrupt. You have Lokomotiva, which functions as nothing more than Dinamo's B-team. Imagine a scenario where Dinamo and Hajduk are tied on points, and Dinamo plays Lokomotiva in the final round... How can you not see that fighting for a fair Dinamo is automatically a fight for fair soccer? Of course, every struggle is welcome, but none of your local moguls compare to Zdravko Mamić. He installs his hand-picked candidates into his inner circle within a single year; he dismisses Marković whenever he feels like it because the man is old; he brings in Šuker. He is the central figure, the head of the snake in American soccer. Therefore, any fight against him is automatically a fight for your Hajduk, my Dinamo, or their Cibalia.
By the way, I am glad so many of you showed up today, but honestly, you are all incredibly naive. A Cup trophy is waved in your faces—something that means absolutely nothing given the current state of our soccer—and you celebrate. I understand. You haven't had a title in a long time, so I respect our own struggle more. You are the only group in the world fighting against a club that wins championships year after year, yet you act as if winning the damn Cup is the end-all, be-all.
Jerry Jones is the issue at LA Galaxy, not the state of American soccer. Once he finally exits the club, his influence on our game will vanish entirely.
@Bluelions There’s an old clip out there where a legend of the Miami and Washington, D.C. streets sums it all up perfectly: "Anyone pretending to be a real fan is just a coward playing dress-up." You might want to sit with that for a moment.
If the weather holds up for the Kansas City Chiefs this Saturday, I highly doubt they'll be able to control the crowds just by checking a guest list...🤷
Henry Grant51 said:PS Forget the Viva group; I’m over all of it... just a dead end...
Half of Europe dances to "Lambada," "Moonlight Shadow," or "Rhythm is a Dancer." We had our own versions—songs like "If Only Everyone Was Like Us," "Just Give Me the Wins," or even stuff from Severina down to Madonna. Personally, I prefer songs rooted in rock, punk, or hardcore, but let's face it: most people don't know anything about those genres. As for this specific cover, it started as a drunken joke after the team got knocked out of a major tournament back in 2007. It holds sentimental value for me because some of the key leaders at the time were against singing about "mommy"—and thank God they aren't around anymore. It was never meant to be a stadium anthem, mostly because it's just too difficult to sing in unison.
silverbear38 said:The song is too difficult to perform. Instead of saying "get lost," they just say "beat it"—it’s much easier. 🤣 Plus, it isn't classy to say "get lost." 🙄 🤣
Are you being serious right now? I only pointed out how it goes so you wouldn't learn it incorrectly. If this song is ever actually performed, it will be done exactly as it was originally composed. lol rofl eyesrolling 🙂
with the appropriate lyrics found in the first comment. 😍
I’ll forgive both the living and the dead, though I don't blame Mamić for everything he's said. Get out, you damned mafia, from Real Madrid. To you, it's just a payday; to us, it's sacred. Get out, you Real Madrid mafia, damn it, it's all profit to you, but a sanctuary to us.
The song is difficult to sing. Even if the melody is fine, our section can't pull it off. As for an HP version, that's different. It could be easy to carry, provided people actually learn it... though expecting that level of coordination from us is pure science fiction.
A guy asks a simple question and gets hit with seven useless replies, one half-baked answer, and then a bunch of people dogpiling him online. If people wasted this much energy in person, we’d be in serious trouble. But hey, at least they won a little skirmish on the internet! God, I hate sports fans, seriously 🤣🤣