Posts by crimsonhawk23

mellowtiger83 said:That wasn't an intentional move onto the track—it was just an uncontrolled slide where there was really no other way to react.

Unless, of course, you're assuming Sebastian Vettel should have played it safer, which I suspect isn't your take.

mellowtiger83 said:I've watched that Sebastian Vettel vs. Lewis Hamilton duel about a hundred times now, and it’s pretty hard to conclude that Sebastian Vettel isn't being an idiot.
In the case of Lewis Hamilton, a five-second penalty is laughable because this was a reckless move; even on Sebastian Vettel's onboard camera, you can see the intent—and I emphasize *intent*—to swing back into Lewis Hamilton's line specifically to block him from overtaking at any cost.

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I don't follow who the stewards are or what on earth happens to make them turn a blind eye to stuff like this, handing out a mere five seconds for such blatant intent.

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Honestly, either give him the penalty he actually deserves, or the drivers should stage a protest and refuse to race while he's on the track—much like that one time in history when several drivers refused to drive while Patres was competing.
If you ask me, Patres stayed clean and focused on racing in the years following that.

Sebastian Vettel deserves nothing less than the kind of thrashing Eddie Irvin received back when he thought he was being clever.

gentlemoose57 said:Honestly, what a circus.

I think I'd be embarrassed to act like that—especially since it hasn't even been a year yet.

fadedpanther51 said:Feel free to dig up my posts—as you can tell, there aren't many of them. And what actually happened at the Suzuki race last year? Not trolling, just genuinely curious.

Prohibited. The user said:If I were in Kimi's shoes—I guess—I might just slow down until Max gets back on track to keep things civil, or maybe try to make the pass. It's a tough call, really.

I mean, there wasn't much room for Max to work with there—you can't exactly blame him—and I guess trying to find an opening was always going to be a bit of a long shot. He’s piloting an F1 car, not a Boeing 747, after all; he needs some actual space to maneuver.

Locksley2020 crimsonhawk23 said:It isn't even really the way he shoves anyone trying to overtake him off the track—I mean, plenty of legends have played that game before—but rather the way he plays dumb after the fact. He acts so incredibly innocent in those moments that it makes you just want to give him a slap.

I suppose Andy’s into jazz—maybe just a passing interest, I guess. crimsonhawk23 says:
I guess whether you want to admit it or not, he forced Kimi Räikkönen off the track—and even managed to clip his car in the process. It’s a penalty, really—especially since he didn't cut the corner earlier—and the FIA tends to be pretty strict about track limits.

If we follow that logic, I guess most of the contact incidents this season could be blamed on being too spread out—drivers would just claim they were essentially "leaning" on their opponents.

I suppose Andy might have some thoughts on jazz—perhaps? The user says:
As Sebastian Vettel pointed out during the China Grand Prix—it seems worth picking up a five-second penalty if you manage to take out a rival's car in the process.

Max committed two separate infractions at the same corner today—and managed to tangle with Kimi in the process—which I guess explains why his pace seemed completely lost for the rest of the race.

Kimi was handed a ten-second penalty at the United Kingdom Grand Prix for that collision during the opening lap chaos—though his consistency today seems rather questionable, especially since Max's penalty didn't seem to impact him in the slightest.

mellowtiger83 said:I just rewatched the Max vs Kimi duel and the Max vs Vettel duel about a hundred times—it isn't exactly hard to conclude that Max is a bit of a loose cannon.
Regarding the situation with Kimi, a five-second penalty seems almost trivial—given it was such a reckless move. If you look at Max's onboard camera, the intent—and I really mean intent here—to swing back into Kimi's line to block him from overtaking seems pretty clear.

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I don't really care who the stewards are or what their process is—it's just baffling that someone can get away with stuff like this, only to receive a measly five-second penalty for what was clearly intentional.

fadedpanther51 said:I don't really care about Sebastian Vettel—this is more about the principle of how penalties are handed out—but I'd probably side with Max Verstappen or whoever else in this situation. It just seems like the current trend is treating drivers like special little snowflakes, and I guess the fans are expected to follow suit. It feels a bit like mass brainwashing, honestly.

Richard Walker38 said:Just move right past your post—simple as that.