Robin Fox2 said:The New Testament is the only thing that truly matters for Christianity; it is the foundation, whereas the Old Testament merely foreshadows what is to come. The point lies in the New Testament...
Yes, the Crusader Wars were an attempt to liberate territories from Muslim conquerors. It doesn't require that European nations already rule those areas for it to be considered a liberation—to draw a parallel, do you consider the American invasion of Normandy an act of liberating Europe or an act of conquest? Originally, the Crusaders were called by Byzantium to assist against the Turks, though it later evolved into protracted warfare. And frankly, the idea that Arabs ruled those lands eternally is nonsense. They conquered those regions from someone else, though I'll leave it to you to figure out who... 😉 Besides, no one rules a territory forever; everyone is a conqueror somewhere. The only difference is the era and the duration of their reign. I hold no particular sympathies; throughout history, everyone has been a conqueror, arriving and departing as they please...
The Inquisition is such a massive exaggeration that it isn't even a faithful historical account; in the 10th century, only a few thousand people were executed by the Inquisition...
Congo? Please. Even the most intense opponents of the Belgians don't bring up the Belgian Sin as often as they should. Congo was essentially the private property of the Belgian King, where he did exactly as he pleased and no one even knew what was happening... 🤣
Good grief, how on earth did you decide to classify Native Americans as victims of Christianity... 😁
The history of the West is bloody, much like any other history of the human race; no one denies that. But the history of Christianity... well, that’s a different story entirely. I wouldn't dare claim Christianity had violent beginnings, given that for the first five centuries, being a Christian was essentially a death sentence. And yet, it spread across the entire known world. If anyone in such a community sees the capacity to spread faith through fire and sword, then by all means, write a scientific paper and revolutionize the history we think we know...
If you assume the Spaniards were out there in the New World, obsessed with hunting down gold and forcing their faith upon everyone they met at the edge of a sword, well, that’s just an accurate description of reality. It's just that we're looking at a discrepancy of about fifteen centuries...
I noticed you left out the persecutions and those moments where Christians were actually clashing with one another during the early days of the Church... ☕
Wait, were the Crusaders actually invited by Byzantium to defend them against the Turks? What kind of twisted history book have you been reading... Because during the Fourth Crusade, they actually looted and nearly destroyed Byzantium themselves. The First Crusade really kicked off when the Pope declared a holy war to liberate the Holy Land from Muslims. On their way, the Crusaders marched through Byzantine territory claiming they just wanted to help the Emperor free his lands from Turkish tribes, but then they conquered Antioch and pushed toward Jerusalem, taking it despite resistance from both Jewish and Muslim fighters (specifically Palestinian Arabs). Once they took the city, the slaughter was so intense that even Christian sources say the blood reached people's knees...
After the first Crusader War, four different states popped up on the conquered territory, which pretty much proves how little that whole campaign actually had to do with defending Byzantium. Most historians today agree it was mostly just a series of looting expeditions, with death tolls ranging anywhere from 1 to 9 million people...
The American invasion of Normandy didn't end up creating any new countries under U.S. rule over in Europe, so I think that comparison just doesn't hold water...
When you bring up the low casualty counts of the Inquisition, you're comparing it to the victims of radical Islamist terrorist attacks, which is an even smaller number if we're talking about casualties within Western nations. The civilian death tolls from the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan were incomparably higher. It really should be obvious that these terrorist attacks mostly serve as a convenient excuse to justify the massive U.S. military presence, which needs a constant enemy to ensure huge amounts of taxpayer money keep flowing in every year...
It used to be communism, but now we call it the War on Terror. The first one actually made sense, while the second one is a bit of a stretch...
Historians definitely point to the Congo as a Belgian Sin, and if you haven't looked into that, you're missing out. Aside from a few decent colonists like Germans or Italians, the rest was just pure horror...
Now, obviously, Christianity wasn't responsible for what happened to Native Americans in the West or the crimes of colonialism, but there wasn't much pushback against it since colonialism was exactly how new believers were brought into the fold...
And yeah, much to your disappointment, the Old Testament is still part of Christianity. Just pick up any Bible and you'll find both the Old and New Testaments inside. If you actually need proof for that, then I don't know what to tell you... 🙂
Christianity contributed a lot to Western civilization, but Islam did too. Both religions have their dark sides, though that’s primarily down to the followers rather than the faiths themselves...