Sanctions on Russia
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Paul Anderson7 said:Yeah, it really comes down to the LNG factor. Everything hinges on what the folks over in the European Union are actually planning to do to finally break free from Russian energy. Building out terminals and securing enough tankers isn't exactly a quick fix—it's incredibly expensive and takes a massive amount of time to get everything lined up. So, I guess the real question is just how much longer this whole war and situation is going to drag on. If we're looking at another five or six years of this, then it becomes a lot more realistic for them to actually commit the capital to those terminals and ships to fully cut ties with Russian gas.
If some kind of deal actually goes through, we might see Russian gas start flowing back toward Europe again, though I suspect even then, the EU will keep pouring money into LNG and renewables every single year—regardless of whether that actually makes any sense in the long run, but that’s a whole other conversation.
Dealing with oil is always a whole lot more straightforward than trying to navigate the mess that is the natural gas market.
So, we’re looking at two likely scenarios here: either some kind of deal gets struck and things finally start to settle down—in which case the European Union will gradually phase out its reliance on Russian oil and gas—or we’re staring down the barrel of another five or six years of conflict, with sanctions hanging over our heads for decades to come.
The second scenario would definitely be more expensive, even if it ends up being the better path in the long run, but I have a feeling we'll eventually land on some kind of compromise since nobody actually benefits from this whole mess.
Whatever the case may be, energy imports from Russia are trending downward, and frankly, the European Union is staring down its toughest winter yet. It looks like we might get a slightly easier stretch next, but honestly, every season following this one is only going to get harder.
I personally think relying on LNG at that scale isn't a totally realistic option, but hey, time will tell. Oil is a different beast and less of a headache. As for the rest, I guess I agree in principle.
bluemason3 said:Much like how we can't seem to shake off Putin's lackeys.
Exactly. Anything you don't like, just point your finger and shout "Russia!"—lynch him, lynch him!
You can see how openly that guy is doing it in the post below.
steelheron25 said:An interesting web of claims here, though they seem largely contradictory to me. Just another self-proclaimed "neutral" observer, I suppose.
To be honest, I haven't seen a single report in any major Western news outlet claiming that the Russians are bombing themselves near the nuclear plant. Generally speaking, what you read is that both sides are simply pointing fingers at one another regarding the strikes on the facility.
Now, as for the fact that the Russians have positioned heavy military hardware right next to various buildings within the nuclear plant itself—well, there really isn't much debate there.
It is rather curious, isn't it? You claim above that the "evil" Western media is unfairly accusing Russian peacekeeping forces of military actions near the nuclear site, yet here you are providing links to those very same "evil" Western media outlets that are accusing the Ukrainians of analogous behavior.
Hmm.
(My personal take is that while these other accusations might be justified, they are also somewhat hypocritical).
I find myself wondering, somewhat perplexed by the sheer intensity of it all, why there seems to be such an agitated, almost frantic level of nervousness coming from the Russian side lately? I mean, really, when you step back and look at the landscape, isn't it true that the sanctions being thrown their way have mostly been slapped on by a tiny handful of relatively insignificant nations? It makes one wonder if they aren't perhaps overreacting to a pressure group that, in the grand scheme of global power, isn't even close to being a monolith.
Is it possible that this sudden, frantic attempt to drag a long-forgotten Nuland back into the spotlight is actually just a symptom of something much deeper—perhaps a sign of all those mounting frustrations finally boiling over? ☕
Can you even begin to wrap your head around the sheer chaos of such a scenario? Just imagine if we saw the sudden rise of another Trump figure here in the States, occurring at the exact same moment that governments in France, Germany, Poland, and every single one of the Baltic states decided to simply collapse under their own weight. It’s almost too much to contemplate, isn't it?
It isn’t exactly an impossibility, is it? Technically, one could argue that such a thing could happen, yet if we are being honest with ourselves—really looking at the cold, hard facts of the matter—the probability is effectively zero.
You caught me. After Putin takes his daily dose of Novichok right when he wakes up, the first thing he does is call me on the red phone to give me instructions on how to spread pro-Western propaganda. Yeah, it's written pretty well—pro-Western, hybrid warfare to keep people confused, or maybe not? You'll probably have to check out the topic Vladimir Putin - psychological profile and decide for yourself after a deep dive.
Anyway, without getting too sidetracked, once I follow his orders and post, the money hits my offshore accounts, just like Zelenskyy's:
https://www.occrp.org/en/the-pandora...s-inner-circle
https://www.theguardian.com/news/202...ymyr-zelenskiy
steelheron25 said:An interesting web of claims here, though they seem largely contradictory to me. Just another self-proclaimed "neutral" observer, I suppose.
To be honest, I haven't seen a single report in any major Western news outlet claiming that the Russians are bombing themselves near the nuclear plant. Generally speaking, what you read is that both sides are simply pointing fingers at one another regarding the strikes on the facility.
Now, as for the fact that the Russians have positioned heavy military hardware right next to various buildings within the nuclear plant itself—well, there really isn't much debate there.
It is rather curious, isn't it? You claim above that the "evil" Western media is unfairly accusing Russian peacekeeping forces of military actions near the nuclear site, yet here you are providing links to those very same "evil" Western media outlets that are accusing the Ukrainians of analogous behavior.
Hmm.
(My personal take is that while these other accusations might be justified, they are also somewhat hypocritical).
I find myself wondering, somewhat perplexed by the sheer intensity of it all, why there seems to be such an agitated, almost frantic level of nervousness coming from the Russian side lately? I mean, really, when you step back and look at the landscape, isn't it true that the sanctions being thrown their way have mostly been slapped on by a tiny handful of relatively insignificant nations? It makes one wonder if they aren't perhaps overreacting to a pressure group that, in the grand scheme of global power, isn't even close to being a monolith.
Is it possible that this sudden, frantic attempt to drag a long-forgotten Nuland back into the spotlight is actually just a symptom of something much deeper—perhaps a sign of all those mounting frustrations finally boiling over? ☕
Can you even begin to wrap your head around the sheer chaos of such a scenario? Just imagine if we saw the sudden rise of another Trump figure here in the States, occurring at the exact same moment that governments in France, Germany, Poland, and every single one of the Baltic states decided to simply collapse under their own weight. It’s almost too much to contemplate, isn't it?
It isn’t exactly an impossibility, is it? Technically, one could argue that such a thing could happen, yet if we are being honest with ourselves—really looking at the cold, hard facts of the matter—the probability is effectively zero.
Not sure which source will actually satisfy you—hopefully CNN works.
August 12, 2022
The Russian-occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in southeastern Ukraine is AT threat of running afoul of radiation and Fire safety standards after subsequent Russian bombing.
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-...-22/index.html
steelheron25 said:An interesting web of claims here, though they seem largely contradictory to me. Just another self-proclaimed "neutral" observer, I suppose.
To be honest, I haven't seen a single report in any major Western news outlet claiming that the Russians are bombing themselves near the nuclear plant. Generally speaking, what you read is that both sides are simply pointing fingers at one another regarding the strikes on the facility.
Now, as for the fact that the Russians have positioned heavy military hardware right next to various buildings within the nuclear plant itself—well, there really isn't much debate there.
It is rather curious, isn't it? You claim above that the "evil" Western media is unfairly accusing Russian peacekeeping forces of military actions near the nuclear site, yet here you are providing links to those very same "evil" Western media outlets that are accusing the Ukrainians of analogous behavior.
Hmm.
(My personal take is that while these other accusations might be justified, they are also somewhat hypocritical).
I find myself wondering, somewhat perplexed by the sheer intensity of it all, why there seems to be such an agitated, almost frantic level of nervousness coming from the Russian side lately? I mean, really, when you step back and look at the landscape, isn't it true that the sanctions being thrown their way have mostly been slapped on by a tiny handful of relatively insignificant nations? It makes one wonder if they aren't perhaps overreacting to a pressure group that, in the grand scheme of global power, isn't even close to being a monolith.
Is it possible that this sudden, frantic attempt to drag a long-forgotten Nuland back into the spotlight is actually just a symptom of something much deeper—perhaps a sign of all those mounting frustrations finally boiling over? ☕
Can you even begin to wrap your head around the sheer chaos of such a scenario? Just imagine if we saw the sudden rise of another Trump figure here in the States, occurring at the exact same moment that governments in France, Germany, Poland, and every single one of the Baltic states decided to simply collapse under their own weight. It’s almost too much to contemplate, isn't it?
It isn’t exactly an impossibility, is it? Technically, one could argue that such a thing could happen, yet if we are being honest with ourselves—really looking at the cold, hard facts of the matter—the probability is effectively zero.
Yeah, the media reports that both sides are accusing the other of hitting the plant. But, I guess, how plausible is it that the Russians—who took control of the plant back in March—would just keep bombing their own prize?
steelheron25 said:An interesting web of claims here, though they seem largely contradictory to me. Just another self-proclaimed "neutral" observer, I suppose.
To be honest, I haven't seen a single report in any major Western news outlet claiming that the Russians are bombing themselves near the nuclear plant. Generally speaking, what you read is that both sides are simply pointing fingers at one another regarding the strikes on the facility.
Now, as for the fact that the Russians have positioned heavy military hardware right next to various buildings within the nuclear plant itself—well, there really isn't much debate there.
It is rather curious, isn't it? You claim above that the "evil" Western media is unfairly accusing Russian peacekeeping forces of military actions near the nuclear site, yet here you are providing links to those very same "evil" Western media outlets that are accusing the Ukrainians of analogous behavior.
Hmm.
(My personal take is that while these other accusations might be justified, they are also somewhat hypocritical).
I find myself wondering, somewhat perplexed by the sheer intensity of it all, why there seems to be such an agitated, almost frantic level of nervousness coming from the Russian side lately? I mean, really, when you step back and look at the landscape, isn't it true that the sanctions being thrown their way have mostly been slapped on by a tiny handful of relatively insignificant nations? It makes one wonder if they aren't perhaps overreacting to a pressure group that, in the grand scheme of global power, isn't even close to being a monolith.
Is it possible that this sudden, frantic attempt to drag a long-forgotten Nuland back into the spotlight is actually just a symptom of something much deeper—perhaps a sign of all those mounting frustrations finally boiling over? ☕
Can you even begin to wrap your head around the sheer chaos of such a scenario? Just imagine if we saw the sudden rise of another Trump figure here in the States, occurring at the exact same moment that governments in France, Germany, Poland, and every single one of the Baltic states decided to simply collapse under their own weight. It’s almost too much to contemplate, isn't it?
It isn’t exactly an impossibility, is it? Technically, one could argue that such a thing could happen, yet if we are being honest with ourselves—really looking at the cold, hard facts of the matter—the probability is effectively zero.
True. The allegations and witness statements coming from pro-Kremlin types, Amnesty International, the UN OHCHR, Human Rights Watch, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and the rest are pretty hypocritical too. How dare you, Greta would say, considering she’s basically been hailed as the successor to Jesus Christ.
steelheron25 said:An interesting web of claims here, though they seem largely contradictory to me. Just another self-proclaimed "neutral" observer, I suppose.
To be honest, I haven't seen a single report in any major Western news outlet claiming that the Russians are bombing themselves near the nuclear plant. Generally speaking, what you read is that both sides are simply pointing fingers at one another regarding the strikes on the facility.
Now, as for the fact that the Russians have positioned heavy military hardware right next to various buildings within the nuclear plant itself—well, there really isn't much debate there.
It is rather curious, isn't it? You claim above that the "evil" Western media is unfairly accusing Russian peacekeeping forces of military actions near the nuclear site, yet here you are providing links to those very same "evil" Western media outlets that are accusing the Ukrainians of analogous behavior.
Hmm.
(My personal take is that while these other accusations might be justified, they are also somewhat hypocritical).
I find myself wondering, somewhat perplexed by the sheer intensity of it all, why there seems to be such an agitated, almost frantic level of nervousness coming from the Russian side lately? I mean, really, when you step back and look at the landscape, isn't it true that the sanctions being thrown their way have mostly been slapped on by a tiny handful of relatively insignificant nations? It makes one wonder if they aren't perhaps overreacting to a pressure group that, in the grand scheme of global power, isn't even close to being a monolith.
Is it possible that this sudden, frantic attempt to drag a long-forgotten Nuland back into the spotlight is actually just a symptom of something much deeper—perhaps a sign of all those mounting frustrations finally boiling over? ☕
Can you even begin to wrap your head around the sheer chaos of such a scenario? Just imagine if we saw the sudden rise of another Trump figure here in the States, occurring at the exact same moment that governments in France, Germany, Poland, and every single one of the Baltic states decided to simply collapse under their own weight. It’s almost too much to contemplate, isn't it?
It isn’t exactly an impossibility, is it? Technically, one could argue that such a thing could happen, yet if we are being honest with ourselves—really looking at the cold, hard facts of the matter—the probability is effectively zero.
I don't know where you're getting all this agitation from—but maybe you should just ask the Russians for that answer.
I guess I should probably say something here—though I’m not sure there’s much to add. Maybe just a quick nod to the situation. kaže:
Digging up some long-forgotten nonsense from way back when—I guess.
So, Victoria Nuland and that statement of hers—I guess we're really doing this. Honestly, screw the European Union. It won't be forgotten—not by a long shot. Though, I guess there's always the possibility of some massive cognitive dissonance or a dissociative fugue state going on.
I don't know—maybe just a bit too much noise lately, I guess. kaže:
It’s just a sign of all that built-up frustration—I guess.
When a friend literally tells you to go screw yourself—I mean, that should probably trigger some kind of reaction, I guess.
I don't know—maybe I'm just overthinking it, but I guess it's worth looking into. kaže:
I guess that only happens if some new version of Trump pulls off a sudden win—along with governments collapsing in France, Germany, Poland, and all the Baltics at the exact same time. Maybe.
It’s not technically impossible—I guess—but the odds are basically zero.
Governments don't necessarily have to fall just because Nord Stream 2 gets turned on. But look—you're basically saying there's zero chance that pipeline ever actually goes live. Hey, you're entitled to your opinion, I guess—I certainly wouldn't be brave enough to bet on whether it starts flowing or stays dead.
Thomas Nelson25 said:China China. Link link.
Wait, didn't they get hit with hardware sanctions a while back too?
Oh yeah.
No link needed. Regarding hardware—the US actually banned ASML from exporting those EUV lithography machines to China—which is basically the only company making them—so they can't make 5nm or 3nm chips anymore. Still, China managed to hit 7nm pretty fast... I guess since Moore's Law is hitting a wall anyway, they might be pivoting toward CNTFET technology instead.
