hiddenpuma75 said:You're just spinning these vague, obvious narratives, and honestly, you pulled those specific numbers straight out of thin air.
You have NO idea how many experts are actually for this versus how many are against it.
Even if you did, it wouldn't matter because truth isn't decided by a popularity contest—it's ultimately dictated by the moderators, the administrators, or in the real world, the politicians.
And they have already locked in their strategy.
Whether it's one way or another, it's intentional.
You can see the glaring differences in outcomes and approaches depending on which country you look at.
Scientists who are on the government payroll simply cannot, and should not, risk their own livelihoods by pushing back against media pressure and public outcry.
They don't even dare to question the less controversial stuff, which is exactly what Sheldrake discusses in his book science delusion on
. He points out that most of his scientist friends hold one opinion in private, but act completely differently when they have to go "on the record."
Driven by the fear of losing funding, status, or reputation, they end up singing the praises required to stay in line with the rules set by those in power—the kind of "moderators" like bluemason3 who hold the authority and the purse strings.
But let's be real: nobody can deny the media's massive hype machine and the constant, concentrated bombardment of PORN FEAR imagery.
I think it's pretty obvious that these numbers are just illustrative rather than concrete data points. It also seems glaringly clear where the consensus lies—whether you're looking at public discourse, talking to people one-on-one, or examining both academic research and everyday medical practice.
If you've got data that contradicts me, I'm more than happy to change my mind.
It doesn't even really matter. Truth isn't decided by a popular vote, and at the end of the day, it's always the moderators, the admins, or the politicians calling all the shots anyway.
Look, I know that doesn't exactly define the truth. But for someone like me—who isn't an expert tracking this stuff with the same rigor as actual scientists—I figure probability comes down to simple math. To me, following the numbers just seems like the most practical way to act.
And that's exactly the strategy they decided to go with.
It’s either one way or the other.
It’s pretty obvious that different countries are seeing wildly different results and running completely different strategies.
It’s pretty clear that countries with a stricter approach are outperforming those taking a more relaxed route. We're still waiting on the final results from the Swedish experiment, though you have to account for their culture of discipline, regardless of what mandates are actually in place.
Scientists who rely on government funding simply can't—and shouldn't—risk their livelihoods by going against the grain of media narratives and public opinion.
The government doesn't just cut direct checks to scientists. There are various agencies involved in routing that money, so it’s not like Andrej Plenković is calling the shots on individual grants. Funding is actually pretty diverse; you have public tax dollars flowing through multiple channels at different levels, plus there's private money coming from both industry players and philanthropic organizations. Most of this funding—public and private alike—is distributed via peer-review committees. These panels consist of fellow scientists who evaluate projects based on established criteria, essentially picking the best of the best from the pool of applicants.
There are plenty of ways to ensure things stay firmly under government control, at least in Western democracies.
It's not like all the money comes from the government, either. You can't overlook the impact of EU funds, though those sources tend to be pretty faceless and buried under layers of bureaucracy.
Some things are heavily politicized—for instance, it’s pretty much impossible to break into the American Academy of Arts and Sciences unless you play ball with the right people (look at what happened with Djikić). But this isn't quite like that, at least from what I can see. Out of all the political maneuvering and power plays happening within the academy, I haven't heard anyone pick on that specific part. Of course, my sample size is small, but so far, so good.
They won't even touch the minor controversies, yet look at what Dr. Sheldrake claims in his book Science delusion .
He basically says most of his scientist friends hold one opinion in private and a completely different one when they're performing "officially."
The man is talking about door handles. If he were a serious scientist, he’d question his own theories after a hundred independent researchers failed to replicate his results (just a side note: nobody should be afraid to tackle certain topics, by the way).
I was actually on his side until this. Now, if he keeps ignoring the data, he's just following in Emotov's footsteps with this pseudoscience stuff. He built a career on being an alternative figure, which means he probably can't go back to the mainstream academy anyway. He can't afford to be objective or impartial and toss out his ideas when the results don't line up; a real academic could just adapt and move on to new projects. But he doesn't have that luxury. He’s stuck, and it feels inevitable that he'll sink deeper into pseudoscience as his whole house of cards falls apart.
But you can't deny the media hype and the constant bombardment of fear-mongering imagery.
I wouldn't know. I don't follow them. I haven't turned on the TV in months, haven't bought a newspaper in years, and I barely even click on news sites lately.😁