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Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure · Jun 27, 2009

restlessmason54 said:thanks for such a detailed breakdown 🙂
so what would you recommend then?
whey in the morning with my oats (30 grams), then whey after training (80 grams), though I'm not counting my main meals and snacks where I'd get about 90-100g from actual food (is there any point in buying casein on top of that?)
basically, I'm around 220 lbs (evenly distributed) at 6'4", is this intake enough, assuming I see visible progress of course

does taking protein directly like this (even if it's whey, which is natural but processed chemically) have any negative effects on the body?

Like 2cool mentioned, you don't need 80 grams of whey after a workout. Half that amount is plenty. Personally, I just do a scoop and a half of whey in the morning with my oats and another one after the gym.
On top of those two shakes, you should aim for another 150 grams of protein. But honestly, that’s not a huge hurdle. You don't even need to track every single gram; just make sure every meal has some protein paired with carbs (or protein with fats). If you eat five meals a day and ensure you combine at least two macros in each, you'll easily hit over 200 grams of protein daily.

And for the record, whey isn't harmful at all. Honestly, you're probably more likely to get sick from unwashed bell peppers from a farmer's market than from a protein shake. 🙂

Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure · Jun 26, 2009

restlessmason54 said:Hey everyone. I’ve been training pretty consistently for about six months now without touching any supplements at all. I can definitely see some progress in the mirror, which is great, but man, the sheer amount of food I have to shovel down is starting to drive me crazy. It’s honestly getting a bit frustrating. Because of that, I’m finally looking into adding some pure concentrates to my routine to help hit those numbers.

I think you've got it all wrong. Protein powder isn't some magic replacement for actual food. It’s just a supplement, not a whole meal plan.

restlessmason54 said:Can you drink whey protein three times a day? A buddy of mine keeps insisting they're strictly for post-workout only.

Whey is honestly perfect right after you hit the gym because that high glycemic index and quick digestion time just hit different when your muscles are hungry. That’s exactly why I don't really touch it at any other time of day besides breakfast. If you're looking to sip on protein throughout the afternoon, you should probably stick to casein instead of whey. Then again, you still need carbs if you actually want a decent meal, so you can't just live off shakes. A solid shake would need something like 30 grams of casein mixed with about a hundred grams of oats. Personally? I think it’s way easier—and definitely tastes better—to just throw everything into a sandwich.

restlessmason54 said:What's the real deal when you compare standard Whey to those Mega Mass blends? Is there actually a functional difference, or is it just clever branding to make people pay extra for a different label?

"Mega Mass" is just one of those names people slap on protein and carb blends, and honestly? It’s a total rip-off. You’re basically paying the same price as you would for pure Optimum Nutrition, but instead of getting high-quality fuel, you're just paying extra for a bunch of added sugar that you could easily buy at any grocery store for pennies. $6.75I usually stick to a mix of protein per kilogram and then some complex carbs—the kind you can just grab at a local grocery store like Kroger or Whole Foods. $3.25It’s about that weight per kilogram when you look at it in the form of rolled oats.

restlessmason54 said:So, I was thinking about protein intake today. If we’re following that standard rule of thumb—aiming for about 2 grams of protein per kilo of body weight—how much actual whey powder should I be hitting daily? I was wondering if a setup like this would work: maybe 100 to 150 grams of whey spread out over three shakes? I'd probably knock back half of that right after my workout, and then let the other 50 to 100 grams come from my regular meals. Does that math hold up?

Look, you could technically chug 200 grams of whey a day if you really wanted to, but honestly? You’re just throwing money down the drain. I learned that the hard way back when I was trying to hit my macros by living off shakes—total waste of cash. Using whey as your primary protein source is a bad move. It’s fine for a quick fix in the morning or right after a workout, but that's about it. You need to aim for at least two grams of protein per kilogram of body weight. If you're only hitting maybe 50 to 100 grams from real food plus a shake after training, you aren't getting nearly enough. Try to get at least 150 grams from actual meals first, then use the whey as an extra boost. Your wallet and your gains will thank you.
To keep those muscles fed, you really need a steady stream of protein coming in throughout the day. It’s all about eating more frequent meals so your digestion stays consistent. If you just rely on drinking Optimum Nutrition three times a day, your body gets its fix for maybe thirty minutes, and then it's basically fasting the rest of the time.

restlessmason54 said:Can I mix it with milk? And does using whole milk make a difference?

Sure you can, but honestly, it doesn't make much sense—you're better off with water. As for the fat content, if it didn't matter, skim milk wouldn't even be a thing.

restlessmason54 said:Why would anyone add dextrose to their Whey? I heard it's actually great after a workout since it's a fast-acting carb.

Exactly. You need carbs to replenish your muscle glycogen. Since your glycogen stores get totally wiped out during a heavy session, sipping on some dextrose is a solid way to get that fuel back into your muscles quickly.

Best adventure parks/outdoor activities near me? in Hobbies & Leisure · Jun 2, 2009

I spent some time out in Palm Springs recently. It’s honestly such a blast if you go with a group of about ten people—you can all just mess around together and have a great time. I think you can find all the details about that park right on the Palm Springs website.

One muscle stronger in Hobbies & Leisure · Apr 26, 2009

The trick is to balance things out by doing the exact same number of reps with your weaker hand as you do with your stronger one.
Just don't go messing around with different weights for each side, or you're just going to end up making the imbalance even worse.

Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure · Dec 13, 2008

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Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure · Dec 11, 2008

Phew, I’ve got over 13 pounds of whey sitting in my pantry right now, so I’m pretty much set for a good chunk of the year.

But seriously. If you've got a car, you can be there in about 20 minutes, and you don't even need to worry about those annoying highway tolls if you just stick to the old backroads through 6.2 miles.

Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure · Dec 10, 2008

I usually just order stuff online, though I wouldn't mind a quick drive to a small US town just to pick up a package at the post office.

If you have it shipped straight to your house, you’re looking at a 10% customs fee, 22% tax, plus about 9 bucks for shipping.

But if you make the trip over to a neighboring state to grab it, you only deal with their 8% food tax. Of course, you'd have to sneak it past the border, but that's really no big deal unless you're trying to haul fifty kilos of protein in your trunk.

Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure · Dec 9, 2008

Aha, I see what you mean.
I honestly love how some people immediately label any milk-based drink as PWM, even when they shouldn't be touching it.

It’s definitely possible that the stuff from Walmart turns out to be high quality. But look, it isn't exactly a steal. For example, back in my neck of the woods, you can grab 10 lbs of Dymatize at a local supplement shop for about $70, which is basically half the price of the Walmart version. Or you could pick up some Proforce isolate, which is also way cheaper. Both are pure whey, they've been staples in the bodybuilding scene for years, and they have solid reputations.

I mean, sure, Walmart is better than nothing, but... calling this an incredible deal? Not really.

Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure · Dec 9, 2008

swiftraven52 said:I have a quick question about the whey from Walmart...
When money is a bit tight (which happens more often than I'd like to admit 🙂), I just grab some neutral whey from Walmart. Now, I know people talk about all that nonsense mentioned above regarding quality, BUT... there is this other one. A 300g tub costs about $17. It claims to have 89g of protein in the mix (less than 3g of fat), the whey makes up 89%, and the rest is soy and some other protein (I can't remember which one).
The price is decent, and looking at the packaging and the ingredients, it seems alright to me. Soy doesn't bother me; a little bit won't hurt anything.
What do you guys think?

EDIT: Here is the link
http://www.das-gesunde-plus.de/cgi-b...hp=1228834415# (It's the 5th one down, they have a vanilla version too)

Like I mentioned earlier, it would be great if a lab actually tested this stuff. Honestly, based on the label, it isn't even that bad. It has a slightly higher carb count (12 grams), but for that price, hey, why not.

Think about it: 300 grams is $17, so 900 grams would be $50. But for $70, you can get 900 grams of that brand new, top-tier UN whey isolate that we know is high quality.

Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure · Dec 9, 2008

silentdriver5 said:What does "despair" actually mean? 🤔 How does that actually stack up if you compare it to, say, a slice of cheese or a smaller chicken cutlet? 🤷

I'm feeling pretty disappointed with PWM. Honestly, there’s just way too little protein in there, and the carb count is through the roof—way too much sugar for my liking.

Comparing this stuff to cheese or meat just doesn't make sense. Those aren't really meant to be your go-to post-workout meals anyway. If you look at low-fat cottage cheese, you're looking at about 12 grams of protein, 2 grams of carbs, and 2 grams of fat. On the other hand, some roasted turkey gives you around 20 grams of protein with pretty much zero fat or carbs. It's all about what you need after the gym.

Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure · Dec 8, 2008

velvetraven said:🤣 It’s wild how they can just label things as whey when it isn't. If it was egg white, that would be the protein source... I mean, 30g of protein per serving sounds decent, but you bet the price tag is higher too.

In German, "eiweiss" basically just means protein. It doesn't necessarily have to imply it comes from eggs (even though "ei" and "weiss" definitely point that way if you're thinking about it).

For actual whey, they'd usually call it milk protein.

Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure · Dec 8, 2008

So, I was just browsing online and stumbled upon this ---> http://www.das-gesunde-plus.de/cgi-b...hp=1228767813#
(it's the second one in the list)
Anyway, looking at the stats, you get 4g of protein and 20g of carbs per serving—and all of that is sugar. Total disaster.

That one is just basic whey, whereas the Protein 90 is actually a bit better --> 30g of protein and 12g of sugar. But even then, it isn't strictly whey; they don't even bother to list the specific protein sources on the label.

Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure · Dec 8, 2008

It’s tough. If you check BB.com, you'll see ON whey goes for about $40, while here it hits $190, which is basically $100. (And honestly, since the dollar got stronger, that gap used to be even wider)
Basically, the factory is moving whey at much lower rates.
I really think margins in the States are razor-thin just because the competition is absolutely brutal. That's why you see those tiny one or two-dollar price swings between different American grocery stores.

It's pretty rare to find a product in America with a margin lower than 100%.

Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure · Dec 8, 2008

Honestly, I’d love to see a real lab test that DM-ov whey just to be sure.

Because you really can't compare their prices to anyone else's. That The Healthy Plus is a Walmart brand, and they sell it directly without any middleman getting involved. Think about it—if you buy half a kilo for $47, the retailer is probably grabbing at least a 100% margin, and the manufacturer is charging the dealer way more than what it actually costs to make. There's no way it costs a manufacturer more than 20-$10 to produce half a kilo of whey. Look, you can grab 22 kg of whey on TrueProtein (which is actually solid stuff) for 200 USD. That price is right in line with what Walmart charges, maybe even a tiny bit cheaper.

So, everyone keeps saying, "It's too cheap at Walmart to be any good," but I'm telling you, it doesn't have to be bad just because the price is low. What I mean is that the prices of all those other brands are easily ten times higher than their actual production costs.

I mean... it's not like I drink it myself, but I'm just pointing out the facts.

Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure · Dec 7, 2008

Just grab some after every gym session.
And don't sweat it—it’s definitely not going to make you gain fat.
Honestly, next time, just pick up some pure Whey protein Isolate and some glucose. It's actually better for you and way cheaper too.

Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure · Dec 6, 2008

Thomas Roberts49 said:If I take an extreme gainer just once every two weeks before hitting the gym, is it going to cause any harm? It's really all I have right now.

Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure · Dec 5, 2008

Did you miss the sarcasm there? 🙂

Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure · Dec 4, 2008

Nah, that thing is basically made of air.

Back then, protein powders didn't even exist. People used to get jacked just by breathing in pure oxygen.

Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure · Dec 1, 2008

It’s not harmful at all, and honestly, I have no clue where people get this nonsense from. Why on earth would protein be bad for you?

Just drink it. It’s good for you. I usually grab some after the gym and after my handball practice too. Just mix some whey with glucose.

Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure · Dec 1, 2008

velvetraven said:Killa $83... I don't know, everyone seems to act like it's some kind of Best Buy deal 🤷

Dymatize over at Prosport is actually cheaper than their own unflavored isolate.
$65 for 4.5 kg. That works out to exactly $33/kg.