Posts by Matthew Young35

Am I posting this to anyone?
Should I weigh in?
If I'm posting:

Maldonado - Raikkonen
2. Fernando Alonso - Lewis Hamilton
3rd Button - Schumacher
Schumacher 4th Vettel - Mark Webber
Webber 5th Maldonado - Nico Rosberg

A decent bit of rain.

Jason Campbell70 said:The 2013 Formula One season?

I’m struggling to find even a single reason why I would bother participating in this—and let’s be honest, at this point, the competition is becoming a joke.

Then don't.
🤷

Edward Howard2 said:What part of this is confusing you? 🍿

I literally sent you the link so you could check out Rosiyev's latest offer yourself. 😁

I don't get why you're acting like this.
Is Edward Howard2 our new enlightened guru now?
🙄

Edward Howard2 said:deja vu 🤣

😕

I haven't come across any offer from Rosiyev yet.
😢

Alright, I'll play along.

I might consider putting my name in the hat, but my rules would look drastically different from the current ones. Honestly, I’m 96.46% certain I wouldn't even make the cut. There’s no point in me applying just to pad out the numbers and ensure a quorum, is there?

stormybadger8 said:It’s actually pretty interesting to pit these two systems against each other using a real example. You can really see how different the results turn out.😉

The numbers in parentheses in Bjesomar's system show the difference in rank compared to the current system.

It's pretty obvious that bad predictions—the ones where you leave drivers out—get absolutely hammered here.
Also, it's kind of weird that people with a decent amount of correct positions aren't even close to being good under Bjesomar's system compared to the current one. You'd expect the opposite, right? They should be doing better, not worse.😕

Not much swinging around this week, honestly. There just weren't many FL or PP hits to trigger anything.

Actually, it isn't surprising at all.
The reason is simple: the current system provides extra rewards for hitting exact positions. In my scoring method, there are no such bonuses. Beyond perhaps the top few spots, landing an exact position is nothing more than pure luck. After all, can anyone truly predict whether a mediocre driver in a subpar car will finish 15th or 17th?

After giving it some thought, I’ve come to the conclusion that the most balanced approach would be to cap negative points at about three-quarters of the total driver count.

Rain :
1-Hamilton 7
2-Button 7
3-Vettel 3
4-Schumacher 20
5-Webber 6
6-Rosberg 1
7-Alonso 5
8-Raikkonen 5
9-Massa 6
10-Grosjean 6
11-Senna 12
12-di Resta 2
13-Perez 7
14-Kobayashi 9
15-Maldonado 14
16-Ricciardo 3
17-Vergne 5
18-Hulkenberg 8
19-Kovalainen 3
20-Petrov 3
21-de la Rosa 2
22-Glock 4
23-Kovalainen 7
24-Pic 3

TOTAL : 148

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Wayout:

1-Button 8
2-Vettel 4
3-Hamilton 5
4-Raikkonen 1
5-Alonso 3
6-Webber 5
7-Schumacher 17
8-Rosberg 1
9-Ricciardo 4
10-Perez 10
11-Massa 4
12-Vergne 0
13-Hulkenberg 3
14-Maldonado 13
15-di Resta 1
16-Senna 7
17-Glock 1
18-Pic 3
19-Kobayashi 14
20-Petrov 3
21-de la Rosa 2
22-Karthikeyan 0
23-Grosjean 19
24-Kovalainen 8

TOTAL : 136

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pr0Prusina:

1-Vettel 5
2-Alonso 0
3-Button 6
4-Hamilton 4
5-Webber 6
6-Schumacher 18
7-Raikkonen 4
8-Massa 7
9-Rosberg 2
10-Hulkenberg 0
11-di Resta 3
12-Kobayashi 7
13-Perez 7
14-Kovalainen 2
15-Glock 3
16-Maldonado 15
17-Petrov 0
18-de la Rosa 1
19-Grosjean 15
20-Senna 3
21-Ricciardo 8
22-Pic 1
23-Vergne 11
24-Karthikeyan 2

TOTAL : 130

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Sepa:

1-Hamilton 7
2-Button 7
3-Schumacher 21
4-Vettel 2
5-Alonso 3
6-Webber 5
7-Raikkonen 4
8-Maldonado 7
9-Kobayashi 4
10-Perez 10
11-Grosjean 7
12-Senna 11
13-Ricciardo 0
14-di Resta 0
15-Massa 0
16-Kovalainen 0
17-Petrov 0
18-Glock 0
19-de la Rosa 0
20-Hulkenberg 10
21-Pic 0
22-Vergne 10
23-Karthikeyan 1
24-Rosberg 17

TOTAL : 126

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Mobberzg :

1-Vettel 5
2-Raikkonen 1
3-Hamilton 5
4-Webber 7
5-Button 4
6-Rosberg 1
7-Alonso 5
8-Schumacher 16
9-Grosjean 5
10-Maldonado 9
11-Perez 9
12-Senna 11
13-Massa 2
14-Kobayashi 9
15-di Resta 1
16-Hulkenberg 6
17-Ricciardo 4
18-Vergne 6
19-Petrov 2
20-de la Rosa 1
21-Glock 3
22-Karthikeyan 0
23-Kovalainen 7
24-Pic 3
25-Pic 4

TOTAL : 126

Pangloss:

1-Button 8
2-Hamilton 6
3-Alonso 1
4-Schumacher 20
5-Vettel 1
6-Webber 5
7-Raikkonen 4
8-Rosberg 1
9-Perez 11
10-Massa 5
11-Hulkenberg 1
12-di Resta 2
13-Kobayashi 8
14-Grosjean 10
15-Senna 8
16-Maldonado 15
17-Ricciardo 4
18-Vergne 6
19-Glock 1
20-Kovalainen 4
21-Petrov 4
22-Pic 1
23-de la Rosa 4
24-Karthikeyan 2

TOTAL : 132

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Matthew Young35

1-Button 8
2-Hamilton 6
3-Vettel 3
4-Webber 7
5-Schumacher 19
6-Rosberg 1
7-Alonso 5
8-Raikkonen 5
9-Massa 6
10-Grosjean 6
11-Maldonado 10
12-Senna 11
13-Kobayashi 8
14-Perez 6
15-di Resta 1
16-Hulkenberg 6
17-Ricciardo 4
18-Glock 0
19-Vergne 7
20-Kovalainen 4
21-Petrov 4
22-Pic 1
23-de la Rosa 4
24-Karthikeyan 2

TOTAL : 134

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Patagonia:

1-Hamilton 7
2-Button 7
3-Vettel 3
4-Alonso 2
5-Rosberg 2
6-Webber 5
7-Schumacher 17
8-Hulkenberg 2
9-Kobayashi 4
10-Massa 5
11-Raikkonen 8
12-Maldonado 11
13-di Resta 1
14-Perez 6
15-Senna 8
16-Ricciardo 3
17-Petrov 0
18-Kovalainen 2
19-Glock 1
20-Grosjean 16
21-de la Rosa 2
22-Karthikeyan 0
23-Pic 2
24-Vergne 12

TOTAL : 126

Ferstar:

1-Vettel 5
2-Hamilton 6
3-Raikkonen 0
4-Webber 7
5-Button 4
6-Alonso 4
7-Schumacher 17
8-Grosjean 4
9-Rosberg 2
10-Kobayashi 5
11-Perez 9
12-Massa 3
13-Maldonado 12
14-di Resta 0
15-Hulkenberg 5
16-Senna 7
17-Ricciardo 4
18-Kovalainen 2
19-Glock 1
20-de la Rosa 1
21-Karthikeyan 1
22-Petrov 5
23-Vergne 11
24-Pic 3

TOTAL : 118

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Paskaneman:

1-Button 8
2-Raikkonen 1
3-Hamilton 5
4-Webber 7
5-Vettel 1
6-Grosjean 2
7-Alonso 5
8-Schumacher 16
9-Rosberg 2
10-Perez 10
11-Maldonado 10
12-di Resta 2
13-Hulkenberg 3
14-Kobayashi 9
15-Vergne 3
16-Massa 1
17-Senna 6
18-Ricciardo 5
19-de la Rosa 0
20-Kovalainen 4
21-Glock 3
22-Karthikeyan 0
23-Petrov 6
24-Pic 3

TOTAL : 112

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Maxym :

1-Button 8
2-Hamilton 6
3-Vettel 3
4-Webber 7
5-Alonso 3
6-Schumacher 18
7-Rosberg 0
8-Raikkonen 5
9-Grosjean 5
10-Kobayashi 5
11-Perez 9
12-Massa 3
13-di Resta 1
14-Hulkenberg 4
15-Senna 8
16-Ricciardo 3
17-Vergne 5
18-Maldonado 17
19-Petrov 2
20-Kovalainen 4
21-Pic 0
22-Glock 4
23-Karthikeyan 1
24-de la Rosa 5

TOTAL : 126

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TBF1 :

1-Vettel 5
2-Kobayashi 3
3-Raikkonen 0
4-Webber 7
5-Grosjean 1
6-Perez 14
7-Button 2
8-Schumacher 16
9-Hamilton 1
10-Rosberg 3
11-Maldonado 10
12-Alonso 10
13-Senna 10
14-Massa 1
15-Vergne 3
16-di Resta 2
17-Hulkenberg 7
18-Ricciardo 5
19-Petrov 2
20-Glock 2
21-Pic 0
22-de la Rosa 3
23-Kovalainen 7
24-Karthikeyan 2

TOTAL : 116

Rosi :

1-Raikkonen 2
2-Vettel 4
3-Hamilton 5
4-Webber 7
5-Grosjean 1
6-Rosberg 1
7-Schumacher 17
8-Alonso 6
9-Kobayashi 4
10-Perez 10
11-Maldonado 10
12-Massa 3
13-Senna 10
14-di Resta 0
15-Vergne 3
16-Hulkenberg 6
17-Petrov 0
18-Kovalainen 2
19-Glock 1
20-Pic 1
21-de la Rosa 2
22-Karthikeyan 0
23-Ricciardo 10
24-Button 15

TOTAL : 120

Kimi#1

1-Hamilton 7
2-Vettel 4
3-Rosberg 4
4-Schumacher 20
5-Webber 6
6-Button 3
7-Raikkonen 4
8-Alonso 6
9-Grosjean 5
10-Kobayashi 5
11-Perez 9
12-Ricciardo 1
13-Maldonado 12
14-Senna 9
15-Massa 0
16-di Resta 2
17-Hulkenberg 7
18-Vergne 6
19-Petrov 2
20-Kovalainen 4
21-Glock 3
22-Pic 1
23-de la Rosa 4
24-Karthikeyan 2

TOTAL : 126

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Begemontica :

1-Raikkonen 2
2-Button 7
3-Vettel 3
4-Webber 7
5-Rosberg 2
6-Hamilton 2
7-Schumacher 17
8-Grosjean 4
9-Kobayashi 4
10-Alonso 8
11-Perez 9
12-Massa 3
13-Hulkenberg 3
14-Maldonado 13
15-Vergne 3
16-di Resta 2
17-Ricciardo 4
18-Senna 5
19-Petrov 2
20-Kovalainen 4
21-Glock 3
22-de la Rosa 3
23-Karthikeyan 1
24-Pic 3

TOTAL : 114

stormybadger8 said:Look, it’s obvious. This season has been a total mess.
That’s why I started that thread about rethinking the points system and maybe switching to Matthew Young35's method next year.😉

So, what’s actually the issue?
When Max was drafting those rules, hitting the 11th through 16th place bracket was legitimately a nightmare.
I think that’s what he was aiming for.

Because you basically had predictable patterns:
4 cars from two teams in 1st-3rd
4 cars from two teams in 4th-10th
6 cars from three teams in 17th-24th

Everything else was a toss-up, but those specific groups were practically constants for years.
Predicting positions 11-16 was way harder than guessing the top spots.

But this season? There aren't really any constants left—aside from the usual bottom six drivers from three teams—so the old logic doesn't even apply anymore.
But hey, it is what it is.🤷
Changing the scoring system mid-season makes zero sense unless we come up with something better that everyone can actually get behind.

In the meantime, I'm just waiting to see the results based on the systems proposed by Matthew Young35 and Dorian.
Mainly so I can figure out where the discrepancies are and why.

Personally, I’m against making major rule changes while the season is already underway.

I didn't even realize we were expecting results using Matthew Young35's method. Alright, I'll get started on that.
My apologies if this takes a while; it's my first time doing this.

Perhaps it would be wise to open a thread regarding next season's regulations right now? I suspect it would spark a pretty lively debate.

There is so much potential here to refine this system. I’ve actually been seriously considering whether introducing logarithms into Matthew Young35's criteria might yield better results—perhaps by placing a higher premium on positions closer to first place...
... though, in all honesty, that might be overkill.

Ultimately, it would be beneficial if everyone could grasp the rules clearly from the very start.

Jason James said:It would be absolutely perfect if we could actually factor in the time gaps...

For example, if you rank someone 6th but they actually finish 12th, the system should subtract those time deficits accordingly. And vice versa...
Since the maximum gap is just one lap, you'd automatically know what the worst-case negative impact could be...

The only thing left to work out is how to handle a DNF—maybe just tack on an extra penalty, like 10% of the total laps remaining at the time of the crash...

Honestly, asking people to track down specific time gaps seems like a bit much.
The math isn't even the hard part; the real issue is whether anyone would actually care enough to bother typing out those kinds of detailed predictions.

stormybadger8 said:Why 26?😕
Shouldn't that be 24?🤔

Jason James said:I'm guessing back when Matthew Young35's criteria were being drafted, there actually were 26 cars on the grid...

To be more precise, that was when Matthew Young35's calculation program was actually being developed.😁

It doesn't really matter; those things are easy enough to adjust.

The real point is this: I believe there is absolutely no reason not to adopt a better, more precise scoring system. We shouldn't accept the excuse that the current one is "easier to calculate," because that simply isn't true anymore.
I'm not just pushing my own proposal here; I am more than willing to write a new calculation program based on any other principle, provided it is superior.
Now that I've actually run the numbers—which took me just under an hour, despite some initial stumbling, so not too bad—I've even come up with a few small ideas on how to make the process even faster.

ruggedfox28 said:Thank God we don't need a PhD just to plug all the drivers into the forecast...😉

It shouldn't be rocket science for anyone, unless someone messes up a simple copy-paste job..

Fair enough, but if someone puts down a brilliant prediction and then two drivers pull out, the result is effectively the same. Regardless, I think it makes sense to set some kind of limit on how many negative points one can actually accrue.
But let's be real—this is all purely hypothetical. We're talking about potential rule changes for future scoring systems, not anything happening in the current season.

ruggedfox28 said:Damn, I’m actually killing it according to this system 😲

To be fair, Karlospeedi actually has a terrifyingly accurate forecast, but he’s missing two drivers.
This is exactly why I suggested we implement a rule where you can lose up to 5 or 10 negative points. You could have the best forecast of anyone else, but if you're missing those two drivers, you end up dead last in the rankings. Doesn't that seem a bit unfair?

1 Dinaminjo 102
2 Pilatus 108
3 ruggedfox28 112
4 Beverly Hills 114
5 TBF1 116
6 Manhattan 118
7 Rose 120
8 Dorian.Gray 122
9 _express 124
10 Sepa 126
Mobberzg 126
South America 126
Maxym 126
Kimi#1 126
15 Maminho 128
16 Pr0Pusina 130
17 Pangloss 132
18 Matthew Young35 134
19 Wayout 136
20 Rain 148
21 Karlospeedi 149 *

* competitor Karlospeedi was awarded two sets of 26 points because he's currently missing two drivers from his roster.