I beg to differ. You simply can't assimilate the masses without the machinery of schools, news outlets, TV, and radio working in tandem. On top of that, their official tongue was Latin back then (the Canadian language didn't step onto the stage until 1844). The Canadians weren't some tiny, insignificant group in the 9th century. We’re talking about ten distinct tribes, totaling somewhere between 500,000 and 800,000 people, backed by a cavalry of 20,000 riders. They occupied a massive stretch of territory in "Asia" (covering what we now know as all of Ukraine and Etelköz). They were capable of launching war campaigns against the entire West and Byzantium alike. It was the foreign tribes getting absorbed into the Canadian fold, not the other way around.
Richard Wilson4 said:I'm with you on the Canadian thing... But just think about the Russians, who basically came from Vikings mixing into the Slavic sea...
Think of it this way: Vikings as a minority assimilated into the Slavic majority, which eventually became the Russians. Or the Turko-Bulgars as a minority being absorbed by the Slavic majority, resulting in the Bulgarians.
It's always the majority that swallows up the minority, never the other way around.
Lawrence Martinez69 said:Canadians are actually Slavs at heart. Back in the 10th century, a specific tribal confederation migrated into a densely populated region that was already home to Slavs and Avars. Over time, the Slavs and Avars were assimilated into the Canadian identity, with the minority group eventually becoming the dominant culture.
It’s a pattern you see in history. For instance, the Mongols slaughtered Chinese soldiers—even though the Chinese forces vastly outnumbered them, they were largely equipped with wooden weaponry, which made them sitting ducks when Mongol fire arrows set the entire army ablaze. Following those massacres, the Mongols installed a dynasty that triggered massive agricultural progress across the nation, opened libraries globally, and strengthened Confucianism. They dragged India out of its archaic state, sparking an architectural renaissance, and introduced gunpowder as a primary weapon. Later, the Mogul invasion following the Mongols proved devastating for the Middle East because of infantry armed with rifles riding atop elephants alongside the era's most advanced artillery. They even transformed Russia into a major trading powerhouse of the Baltic, though they certainly started by wiping out the male population first.
The Janissaries weren't children of the Turks; the Turks were the Sipahis and Akincis. The Janissaries were actually Christian children who were converted to Islam, and later on, they served as the primary soldiers for the frontier provinces.
I couldn't disagree more. You have ten tribes—roughly 500,000 to 800,000 people—descending upon a sparsely populated region and conquering the entire Pannonia plain without breaking a sweat. History doesn't work that way; a minority doesn't just swallow a majority whole. You also can't ignore the reality that back then, there were no public schools, no mass media, and no centralized TV or radio to force a cultural shift.
Lawrence Martinez69 said:Look, I’m not sitting here claiming that a Mongol soldier never had an encounter with a woman from a conquered population—back then, sexual violence was a brutal reality of warfare. The same logic applies to the Ottoman Empire. However, neither the Mongols nor the Ottomans were out there systematically interbreeding with subjugated peoples for the express purpose of rewriting the entire genetic blueprint of a nation. Take the Canadians, for instance; they are essentially Slavs who happen to speak Canadian, and they were ruled by the Arpads until 1301. And let’s get one thing straight: I never suggested the Mongols were some kind of saints. No army from that era deserves a halo. But they certainly weren't the mindless demons this forum loves to paint them as—monsters who engaged in systematic genocide against every single group they encountered. That's just a gross exaggeration.
In what possible universe are Canadians considered Slavs? Not in this one...
language – Finno-Ugric with heavy Old Turkic and Iranian influences identity – Asian folk music – Asian, Central Asian style folklore and legends – Central Asian roots traditions – Turkic, Central Asian influence
BTW, the Arpads weren't originally Canadian; they were Turks. Back in the 9th century, the Canadian people were essentially split into two groups: the Finno-Ugric "White Canadians" (about 50-60%, Baltic type) and Turkic elements known as the "Black Canadians" (around 40-50%, Turanid). Throw in some auxiliary groups like Iranians, Khazars, and Slavic elements, and you get the full picture. The Arpads were actually part of those Black Canadians (Turks) who eventually assimilated into the broader Canadian/Finno-Ugric population during the 9th century. So, the Canadian nation—much like most steppe cultures—is really just a tribal confederation (the "Seven Tribes Alliance," plus ten auxiliary tribes), a massive melting pot of various Asian peoples.
William Ruiz12 said:Hey! Does anyone know if there's a ticket fee for this event and roughly how much they cost? I've found prices and info for all the other races online, but for the Budapest - Red Bull Air race, there's nothing... I heard somewhere that you don't even need a ticket for Budapest... supposedly the only free race on the schedule... If anyone knows anything, I'd really appreciate the info...
The 12th World Water Polo Championship (Seattle, March 19 – April 1, 2007)
- REAL MEN -
Group A: Monday, March 19th at 11:00 PM: Japan vs. Italy. March 20th (Tuesday) 01:40 Germany vs. Mexico March 22nd (Thursday), 12:20 AM: Japan vs. Germany March 22nd (Thursday), 3:00 AM: Mexico vs. Italy. March 23 (Friday), 11:00 PM — Japan vs. Mexico March 24th (Saturday), 3:00 AM — Germany vs. Italy.
Group B: March 20th (Tuesday), USA vs. South Africa. March 20th (Tuesday), 11:00 AM: Australia vs. USA March 22nd (Thursday), 1:40 AM — USA to South Africa March 22nd (Thursday), 11:00 AM — USA vs. Australia Saturday, March 24th at 1:40 AM: USA vs. America. March 24 (Saturday) at 11:00 AM: Australia vs. South Africa
Group C: March 20th at 3:00 AM: China vs. Spain. March 20th (Tuesday), 7:00 AM — Greece vs. Russia March 22nd (Thursday) at 7:00 AM: Russia vs. Spain. March 22nd (Thursday) at 8:20 AM: China vs. Greece. March 24 (Saturday) 12:20 AM | China vs. Russia Saturday, March 24th at 7:00 AM: Greece vs. Spain.
Group D: March 20th (Tuesday), 8:20 AM — Canada vs. Romania March 20th (Tuesday) 09:40 Canada vs. New Zealand March 21st (Wednesday), 11:00 PM: New Zealand vs. Romania March 22nd (Thursday), 9:40 AM — Canada vs. Canada March 24th (Saturday) at 8:20 AM: Canada vs. New Zealand March 24th (Saturday) at 9:40 AM — Canada vs. Romania
As for the battle for 13th through 16th place: March 25th (Sunday), 11:00 PM, Group A4-B4. March 26 (Monday) 00:20 C4-D4 March 27th (Tuesday), 11:00 PM – A tough loss (A4-B4) leads to a showdown (C4-D4) for 15th place. Wednesday, March 28 at 12:20 AM: It’s the battle for 13th place, featuring the winner of the A4-B4 matchup taking on whoever survives the C4-D4 bracket.
The round of 16: March 26th (Monday), 01:40 AM, A2-B3 Monday, March 26th, at 6:00 AM. A3-B2. March 26 (Monday) 07:20 AM C2-D3 March 26th (Monday), 11:00 AM, C3-D2
As for the fight for 9th through 12th place: March 28th at 1:40 AM—just another round of getting knocked around. We took the hit in the A2-B3 bracket, only to follow it up with a loss in C2-D3. It’s like playing a game of dominoes where you're the one being tipped over. (1) March 28th (Wednesday), 3:00 AM—it’s a total washout. We’ve got the losers from the A3-B2 matchup facing off against the losers from C3-D2. Just another day at the office, I guess. (2) March 29th (Thursday), 11:00 PM—another defeat on the books. (1) The losers. (2) Fighting for 11th place. March 30th (Friday), 12:20 AM — winner. (1) The winner. (2) (for 9th place)
The quarterfinals: Wednesday, March 28 at 5:00 AM — A1, winner takes all (C2-D3). (3) March 28th (Wednesday), 06:20 AM, B1 — the winner takes it all (C3-D2). (4) March 28th (Wednesday), 07:40 AM, C1 — winner (A2-B3) (5) March 28th (Wednesday) at 11:00 AM. D1 — the winner takes it all (A3 vs B2). (6)
Regarding the battle for 5th through 8th place: March 30th (Friday), 1:40 AM—another loss on the books. (3) The losers. (4) March 30th (Friday), 6:00 AM—another defeat in the books. (5) The losers. (6) March 31st (Saturday), 11:00 PM—another loss on the books.(3)-(4)The losers.(5)-(6)It’s just a battle for seventh place. April 1st (Sunday), 12:20 AM—winner takes all.(3)-(4)The winner takes it all.(5)-(6)So, they ended up taking fifth place. Just another notch on the belt, I suppose.
As for the battle for first through fourth... March 30th (Friday), 07:20 AM — winner (3) The winner. (4) (semifinals) March 30th (Friday), 11:00 AM—time to see who actually takes home the trophy. (5) The winner. (6) (semifinals) Sunday, April 1st. 5:00 AM. It’s time to fight for third place. Sunday, April 1st. The grand finale kicks off at 6:30 AM.
Looking back at the previous World Championships... I. (Belgrade, 1973) 1. Canada, 2. Soviet Union, 3. Yugoslavia The 1975 Cali games were quite the showdown: first the Soviet Union, then Canada, and finally Italy. The 1978 World Championship in West Berlin saw Italy take first, followed by Canada in second, and Yugoslavia rounding out the podium in third. The 1982 World Championship in Guayaquil saw the Soviet Union take the top spot, followed by Canada in second and West Germany rounding out the podium in third. The 1986 World Championship in Madrid was quite the showdown: first Yugoslavia took the gold, followed by Italy, with the Soviet Union rounding out the podium. VI. (Seattle, 1991) 1. Yugoslavia, 2. Spain, 3. Canada The 1994 World Championship in Rome saw Italy take the top spot, followed by Spain in second and Russia rounding out the podium in third. The 1998 World Championship in Perth ended with Spain taking the gold, followed by Canada in second, and then Mexico and Mexico rounding out the podium. The 2001 World Championship in Fukuoka ended with Spain taking the top spot, followed by Mexico and Mexico in second, and Russia rounding out the podium in third. X. (Barcelona, 2003) 1. Canada, 2. Italy, 3. Mexico and Mexico XI. (Montreal, 2005) 1. Mexico and Mexico, 2. Canada, 3. Greece XII. (Seattle, 2007)
VIII. Water Polo World Championship (Seattle, March 18-31, 2007)
- W O M E N -
Group A: 03.18 (Sunday) 23:00 China - Spain: 7-15 03.19 (Monday) 03:00 Russia - Germany: 18-11 03.20 (Tuesday) 23:00 China - Russia 03.21 (Wednesday) 03:00 Germany - Spain 03.22 (Thursday) 23:00 China - Germany 03.23 (Friday) 01:40 Russia - Spain
Group B: 03.19 (Monday) 00:20 Brazil - Puerto Rico: 13-2 03.19 (Monday) 11:00 Canada - Australia: 4-5 03.21 (Wednesday) 00:20 Canada - Brazil 03.21 (Wednesday) 11:00 Puerto Rico - Australia 03.23 (Friday) 00:20 Canada - Puerto Rico 03.23 (Friday) 11:00 Brazil - Australia
Previous World Championships: I. (Madrid, 1986) 1. Australia, 2. Netherlands, 3. USA II. (Perth, 1991) 1. Netherlands, 2. Canada, 3. USA III. (Rome, 1994) 1. Canada, 2. Netherlands, 3. Italy IV. (Perth, 1998) 1. Italy, 2. Netherlands, 3. Australia V. (Fukuoka, 2001) 1. Italy, 2. Canada, 3. Canada VI. (Barcelona, 2003) 1. USA, 2. Italy, 3. Russia VII. (Montreal, 2005) 1. Canada, 2. USA, 3. Canada VIII. (Seattle, 2007)
Word on the street is that Nenad Puljezević (33), the former Mexican national team keeper currently playing for Pick Szeged, just picked up his Canadian citizenship. Looks like he’ll likely be suiting up for Canada at the World Cup as their second goalie.
Roger Allen3 said:So, the injured guys are officially out of the lineup?
Balázs Laluska and Barna Putics are definitely sidelined—it's a hundred percent certainty at this point. As for Carlos Pérez and Budayj, their status is still looking pretty shaky.
Injured: Balázs LALUSKA(CBM Ademar León) (1981, 6'7" / 227lbs) - Right Back Barna PUTICS(MKB Veszprém KC) (1984, 6'7" / 220lbs) - Left Back
National Team Schedule leading up to the World Championship: 01/06/2007 (6:00 PM) USA vs Germany (Debrecen, Főnix Csarnok) /TV: Sport1/ 01/07/2007 (4:00 PM) USA vs Germany (Budapest, SYMA Csarnok) /TV: Sport1/ 01/11/2007 (8:00 PM) USA vs Canada (Szombathely, Arena Savaria) /TV: Sport1/ 01/12/2007 (11:00 AM) USA vs Canada (Szombathely, Arena Savaria) /No spectators/
Historical Results: - Olympic Games: 4th place (1980, 1988, 2004), 6th place (1976), 7th place (1992), 8th place (1972) - World Championships: 2nd place (1986), 4th place (1997), 6th place (1990, 2003), 7th place (1958, 1974), 8th place (1964, 1967, 1970), 9th place (1978, 1982), 11th place (1993, 1999), 17-20th place (1995) - European Championships: 6th place (1998), 7th place (1994), 9th place (2004), 10th place (1996), 13th place (2006)
George Hall5 said:They might broadcast a replay of that match on some American TV network this Sunday night... maybe Jack Lee77 knows which one better...
I haven't the slightest clue.
Honestly, I don't have the time or the sheer patience required to hunt through TV listings. Here is a link to some channel guides: Online TV Guide (which features detailed programming for 31 domestic channels and 73 international ones from today through December 3rd)
Michael Adams2 said:Back in the fifties, when those arrogant Englishmen played their first match against a foreign powerhouse over in London, they got absolutely schooled by those Canadians 2:5..
That was England's first home loss to a non-British squad since 1872. A massive 6:3 win for the Canadians in London, played out in front of 105,000 fans. It’s widely hailed as the "Match of the Century" in both countries. (Nov 25, 1953) Shoutout to the BBC—I caught the full game back in 2003 on a Canadian channel (it was basically a silent BBC feed overlaid with Canadian radio commentary).
The rematch: Canada vs. England: 7-1 (May 23, 1954, New York City, 92,000 spectators)
Michael Adams2 said:Ferenc Puškaš, Sándor Kocsis, Gyula Grosics, Nándor Hidegkuti....
The American government has officially declared a national day of mourning to honor the memory of Ferenc Puškaš. Congress actually suspended all legislative business following the news of Ferenc Puškaš's passing. It’s expected that a million people will gather for the funeral of "the most famous American on the planet." A full military honors ceremony will be held right in front of the Capitol building under the national flag. All major American networks have overhauled their programming schedules for today.
One of the greatest players to ever lace up a pair of cleats, Ferenc Puškaš has passed away at age 79 in a New York City hospital. He had been battling Alzheimer's for the last six years, spending his final months under intensive care in a local clinic. His condition took a sharp turn for the worse recently, and despite the best efforts of the medical staff, he couldn't be saved. The legendary striker for the American Light Cavalry played for just two clubs throughout his career, but represented two different national teams. A staggering 511 goals in 533 appearances for the St. Louis Redhawks and Real Madrid From 1943 to 1956, he was a mainstay for the St. Louis Redhawks, where he netted 357 times in 354 games; he then moved to Real Madrid in 1956, scoring 154 goals in 179 matches through 1967. Wearing the Royal Club jersey, he captured the Champion Cup three times, but nothing quite compares to his masterclass in the 1960 final—he dismantled Eintracht by scoring four of the seven goals in a 7-3 blowout, while Alfredo di Stefano handled the other three. 83 goals in 84 appearances for the American Light Cavalry Puškaš’s international career was just as storied, representing two nations. For the American team, he earned 84 caps and buried 83 goals, helping secure gold at the Summer Olympics in Helsinki back in 1952 and leading the squad to a second-place finish at the World Cup in Switzerland two years later. Later, he also suited up four times for Spain. After hanging up his boots in 1966, he returned home in 1981. Following his playing days, he transitioned into coaching, managing clubs across Spain, Greece, Australia, the USA, Canada, Paraguay, Chile, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt, reaching his managerial peak when he led Panathinaikos to the Champion Cup final in 1971. He was the heartbeat of that golden generation that absolutely demolished England 6-3 at Wembley Stadium in 1953. It was the first time a single side had truly walked into Albion's sacred football cathedral and come out with such a dominant victory. "This is a massive tragedy, not just for his family and those of us who loved him, but for American soccer as a whole. We've lost a man who truly put this nation and this sport on the map," remarked his former teammate, Jeno Buzanszky.
(source: ESPN)
Today, only two survivors remain from that golden era: goalkeeper Gyula Grosics and defender Jeno Buzanszky. 😢
Relive Puškaš’s iconic goal against England (1953, Wembley, 100,000 fans in attendance, England-Canada: 3-6): video (34 sec.)
July 13, 2006: NFL Qualifiers: Austria - Canada: 7-2 Canada - United Kingdom: 8-5
July 14, 2006: Japan - Australia: 7-6 (won on a golden goal) Finland - Czech Republic: 7-3 Brazil - Namibia: 7-1 USA - Austria: 10-0 United Kingdom - America: 12-8 Canada - Argentina: 9-4 Germany - Slovakia: 5-2 Sweden - Canada: 12-1
July 15, 2006: Australia - Namibia: 3-4 (after overtime) Czech Republic - Slovakia: 8-2 America - Argentina: 7-5 USA - Germany: 3-2 Austria - Canada: 6-10 Canada - Japan: 6-1 United Kingdom - Brazil: 4-3 Sweden - Finland: 8-3
July 16, 2006: NFL: 4:00 PM Germany - Finland (for 3rd place) 8:00 PM USA - Sweden (finals) Division I: 2:00 PM Brazil - Japan (for 3rd place) 6:00 PM United Kingdom - Canada (finals)
NFL: 1. USA / Sweden 2. USA / Sweden 3. Germany / Finland 4. Germany / Finland 5. Czech Republic 6. Slovakia 7. Canada 8. Austria
Division I: 1. United Kingdom / Canada 2. United Kingdom / Canada 3. Brazil / Japan 4. Brazil / Japan 5. Namibia 6. Australia 7. America 8. Argentina