Posts by Jonathan Barnes5

Jonathan Barnes5 said:Whether it's a waiter out in Malibu or Maui, or one right here at home... service in America can be pretty hit or miss.

The young man was absolutely justified in his reaction; he had no idea who he was dealing with, so please stop dragging this out with all this nonsense online.

If I found myself disoriented because I couldn't make sense of the chaos—especially with kids running around and the bar packed to capacity—you can only imagine the confusion of someone just sitting at a table thinking they were facing a group of gravediggers. He earned himself a decent tip and a bit of a lesson in the process.
I realize everyone loves playing armchair expert on the internet, but if a rock suddenly shatters a window and bottles start flying through the air, anyone would instinctively jump into defense mode without a second thought.
Honestly, I was livid myself, mostly because of the kids nearby; nobody should have to deal with that kind of aggression when they're just trying to exist.

ruggedjackal46 said:I mean, obviously. But if I’m forced to choose between a government that locks up its political rivals and one that systematically targets minorities and dissidents, I think most people would find a way to make a choice.

That shift was going to happen regardless of whether the federation collapsed or not. You can call the state whatever you want, but things like Uganda wouldn't have stayed the same either. The demographic trends and social shifts were already heading that way. The secondary sector was gaining ground anyway. It’s like that whole narrative about how certain leaders take credit for bringing the country into a global trade bloc. It was bound to happen with them or without them; they just happened to be the ones holding the pen when the contract was signed.

It wouldn't have happened, though, because we didn't see that kind of movement in other countries under Soviet influence, or even in places like Romania or Albania. Look, we're talking about a nation built on agriculture, where most of the population was illiterate and still trying to recover from a long, brutal war. It wasn't exactly the perfect environment for an economic boom.

The latest developments are quite nuanced, particularly when you consider how much the former America was diluted by its own internal complexities. It’s a bit like looking at the recovery of a country like Germany; they had the potential to reclaim their footing much earlier due to entirely different circumstances. You also have to account for unique cases like Vietnam or Poland, which carry their own specific historical weight. To truly understand the situation, one must weigh the previous status quo against the broader geopolitical landscape of that era and the general shifts in global trends. There was always a real possibility that everything could have fallen apart, leaving them completely stagnant, but the scale of international aid and the sheer impact of wartime damages played a massive role in shaping the outcome.

It’s vital to maintain a sense of realism and avoid drifting into those extreme, conspiratorial corners. I had someone recently trying to convince me that we didn't actually secure the licensing for the T-72, claiming instead that it was an indigenous design all along, much like how people might argue over whether a classic Ford Mustang was truly a homegrown icon or just a collection of borrowed parts.🙂It’s not as if I’m trying to defend the old military industrial complex from back in the day, but most of those systems were built entirely under license anyway. If they managed to refine those designs over time, then that was a win for them. Honestly, the talent we see in our workforce today is so sharp that they could easily outpace any licensed blueprint they were handed.

wiredscout14 said:And why shouldn't we? From what I can see, you're quite invested. You claim people are capable of looking at the bigger picture, yet you just can't seem to break through. Well, if you're as confident as you say, I'm sure someone in Washington or Silicon Valley will notice you eventually...

As for those interested in the Lakers, they've certainly spent the last five years obsessing over the financial statements
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Data analysis is one thing, but understanding its application is another entirely. It’s a bit of a double-edged sword; while anyone can study the numbers, the real challenge lies in the execution, which requires genuine expertise. There are market fluctuations that catch even the best prepared off guard, leaving you hoping for the best, and then there are the variables where the human element becomes the deciding factor.

At the end of the day, raw numbers are often little more than ink on a page—sometimes they are just fleeting snapshots of a moment before everything shifts. Much appreciated.☕

ruggedjackal46 said:Oh, absolutely. Because if we weren't busy debating the layout of Times Square on this forum, we’d obviously be deep in the weeds analyzing JPMorgan's latest credit lines or drafting a comprehensive overhaul for the national education system. My sincere apologies to all the "constructive" thinkers here for robbing them of the time and space in this very serious discussion.

It's impossible to draw any meaningful conclusions from that anyway😁. Take my word for it.

I still vividly remember when big corporations finally hit their breaking point; suddenly, a whole fleet of self-proclaimed experts appeared out of nowhere, acting like they had all the answers and blaming everyone else for the mess. Should I even mention that many of them were actually just lining up to handle the M&A deals for those very same companies?🤣

It's nothing but empty rhetoric. In our culture, admitting you don't know something or simply aren't interested feels like a massive failure.

ruggedjackal46 said:Maybe so, but look at the alternative: you get an authoritarian regime that immediately opens up concentration camps for minorities and hands over entire coastal territories to foreign powers. Life under the old regime versus life under the new one wasn't exactly a lateral move. Sure, the elites always resurface, but living in a fascist puppet state controlled by even more radical fascists? That’s a whole different level of nightmare.

Industry is a whole other beast. A massive chunk of those factories existed long before the war ended—you can find all the data online if you actually care to look. But let's be honest, how many people are actually going to dig deep enough to understand the context? Not many.

In 1945, the country was essentially an agrarian society that managed to pivot into a dominant industrial powerhouse within two decades. So, looking at what the current administration has accomplished in twenty years of independence... well, the math doesn't look great, does it?

I honestly find the whole "we are all equal and everyone deserves a house" idea repulsive. If that's the goal, why not just hand out gold bars to everyone? With or without the old leader, economic cycles happen. Down the road, things would have played out similarly anyway.

Look, I’m not saying everyone needs to have exactly the same amount, but shouldn't there be a baseline? A floor below which no one falls, providing enough room to actually live and move upward? Nowadays, people show up to work every day, yet their paychecks can't even cover the bare essentials for a dignified life. If we can't even talk about that, what exactly are we discussing here?

Those are the paradoxes of history. It’s like joining the resistance to escape oppression, only to end up in a political prison camp a few years later because your views didn't align with the new regime. It’s a classic, tragic cycle. I recognize there are varying degrees of suffering, and while I agree with your point, even a slight increase in intensity within a nightmare scenario is enough to break a person.

That economic transformation likely would have happened regardless of that specific government. Much like how certain nations might have shifted their trajectory anyway, demographic trends and the rise of the secondary sector were already set in motion. It’s similar to how a leader might take credit for bringing a country into a major trade union, when in reality, the momentum was already there and they simply happened to be the ones holding the pen when the deal was signed.

We are really discussing the legacy left by the generation that came of age under that system. If things are difficult now, perhaps it's a consequence of that era. Some of my elders, who lived through those shifts, tend to stay quiet and avoid making waves. It makes you wonder why, in our culture, someone can simply buy their way into a position of influence and sell out their own principles just to secure a spot.

Man, if only certain figures from the past had been half as capable.

ruggedjackal46 said:But that’s just not true. The guys fighting in WWII weren't living in the woods dodging patrols because they were looking for a quick buck or thinking about their own selfish convenience. And let's be real, the massive industrial boom in mid-century America didn't just materialize out of thin air because everyone was busy looking out for themselves. Even during major conflicts, people don't head into battle just for some cheap, personal gain. There are plenty of people who can—and actually want to—act for the greater good. The problem is, in our current political landscape, which supposedly offers us endless freedom of choice, none of the actual options on the table seem to care about anything beyond their own immediate interests.

Of course they did. But even after the war, the elite managed to stay afloat. Just yesterday, I saw some commentator trying to equate every single soldier with the highest leadership. To be honest, if I were back then, I don't think I would have joined the resistance just because of grand political ideals or the promise of a better life. It’s much like how someone might react if their home were threatened; you go where you can actually fight back. It's similar to many who fought for the opposing side—some were driven by sheer desperation or retaliation when their homes were targeted. Ultimately, there seems to be a certain mindset where people always feel the need for a shepherd, and whatever that shepherd does once the dust settles, they deem it justified.

The way wealth was redistributed into massive estates following WWII is a fascinating study. As for the industrial sector, that’s a complex chapter. Many of those manufacturing hubs existed long before the conflict, and there is plenty of data available online regarding them. However, few people take the time to dig deep enough to truly grasp the historical context.

Personally, I find the notion that we should all be perfectly equal and guaranteed a home somewhat distasteful. If that were the case, we might as well hand out gold medals to everyone. Whether it was under that specific leadership or not, the economic trajectory would likely have followed a similar path eventually.

Ultimately, the core issue is how every faction plays on raw emotion—like painting the resistance as heroes against pure evil. That kind of rhetoric doesn't move me; I tend to view these things through a very pragmatic lens. In any conflict, the side that holds the upper hand wins, which is just a fundamental part of human nature. Had the balance of power been different at the start, the outcome would have shifted accordingly.
It’s the same story with the various massacres and tragedies of that era. People get caught up in the sentimentality of a song or a slogan, ignoring the grim reality of the circumstances. I know my perspective comes off as harsh, but it is simply the way history unfolds.

ruggedjackal46 said:It’s just lovely how they haven’t scrubbed every single street sign, as if nothing happened between 1941 and 1991 in this country. I suppose it's because the U.S. hasn't officially disavowed its anti-fascist legacy. But make no mistake, they certainly wiped most of those old-school partisan names off the maps.

I don't know if you realize it, but as a worker today, you enjoy way more benefits than your ancestors ever did. I highly doubt you'd actually want to travel back in time to experience the "glories" of the old regime you're so busy mourning. What I can't wrap my head around is your logic: is it really okay to suppress, exile, or imprison people based on their political views just to make life easier for those who fall in line with the party?

Thanks so much for enlightening me about the wonderful privileges of our modern system. Please, why don't you go tell the employees at Walmart, Amazon, or all those other corporate sweatshops how much "better" their lives are compared to living in a political prison cell? But hey, at least we live in an era where you're allowed to vent on a forum or Facebook without being hauled off, right?

That is the literal legacy of communism. To be perfectly honest, I don't feel any sympathy for those workers.

First, they were all mourning the lost stability of the 80s as if they had lost everything, and then suddenly everyone was eager to upgrade to newer cars. The mindset hasn't shifted one bit; it's just that instead of the old guard, you now have a bunch of mini-bureaucrats running the show. As for the general public, they tend to keep their heads down and stay quiet.

Things were simpler back when you were a key player in global geopolitics, catching favorable loans and acting as a strategic buffer against the East. Then the Wall fell, leaving us standing alone, yet the habit of cutting corners stayed. It was ingrained in people—grown, educated professionals who learned to operate within that specific framework.

Personally, I find all these arguments a bit absurd. People living here would likely behave exactly the same way regardless of the political system. If there's a way to grab something for oneself or chase a cheap interest, someone will take it. That's just the pattern.

This isn't really about ideology; it's more about basic human nature and the darker side of our character. Back during the old regime, companies like Ford used to hire people specifically from certain regions to fill roles. Houses were built using materials diverted from the factory, jobs were created, and credit was handed out. You either showed up to work or you didn't, and your position in the hierarchy was often determined by your political connections.

Then, naturally, people started complaining that everyone involved was part of some extremist faction, which, in many ways, they were. They were folks coming from rural areas or specific territories. But eventually, our own people moved into those same factories, so who is truly to blame now?
It used to be one group, then another, and now it’s rural migrants or special interest lobbies.
There will always be someone to point the finger at, sparking these endless debates about "how things used to be" versus "how they are now." It’s always the same mentality and the same circular logic.

Those who condemn everything before even experiencing it lack a certain depth of soul;
those who yearn to return to bygone eras simply lack common sense.

But putting that aside, none of this truly reveals our character. It’s fascinating how liberals suddenly claim Reagan as an icon, despite spending twenty-five years labeling him a fascist. Meanwhile, the conservatives who swear by the Constitution of '74 act as if historical legacies don't matter at all when it suits them.

The civil rights groups that were once ready to tear down monuments dedicated to figures like George Wallace are now arguing that we shouldn't touch statues of Stalin because of his atrocities, while right-wing advocacy groups suddenly insist Reagan never meant those harsh things, even though liberals have spent decades twisting his words.

There you have it. That is the reality of our political landscape—liberals and conservatives alike. It is hypocrisy through and through. They mock concepts like integrity and consistency, yet they are nothing more than a collection of contradictions.

They don't apply the same standards to identical situations; their reactions depend entirely on their personal backgrounds and what serves their current agenda. Everyone quoting Reagan today will likely be calling him a radical philosopher in six months.

We need to call things by their real names. Most of the major players operate this way. One side mourns what was lost in 1945, while the other grieves for what happened in 1991.

It is as clear as day. There is something deeply pathetic about how the right tries to inherit the legacy of anti-fascism, acting with such amorality. Even more pitiful is watching the left proudly sing protest anthems at Pride parades, knowing full well that the fallen wouldn't recognize those songs as their own.

This whole system needs to be leveled to the ground, cleared out completely, and replanted from scratch.

Jesse Doyle3 said:. Is it actually the fault of those 30 people who showed up in Athens that there were only 30 of them, or does the blame lie with the rest of us who stayed home—especially those of you sitting behind a keyboard, just typing away and causing trouble?
The biggest enemies this group faces aren't outsiders; they're people like you.

Amen to that. Honestly, seeing things this way brings more shame to my heart than if I had been a mere provocateur. It isn't even necessarily about that trip to Athens; it’s about the heavy-handed suppression they faced during home games simply because the crowds were too small. That's why I hold those kids in such high regard, even when they act out in self-destructive ways. There was a certain grit to that era of brooding silence that served its purpose, so it feels wrong to hear people criticizing them now over minor details.
When you compare the days when we used to go versus how things are now, the difference is night and day. We dealt with systemic issues back then too, sure, but the sanctions and restrictions we face today are on a completely different level. Just over a decade ago, you could have started a small fan club anywhere and people would have personally escorted you to the stadium.
If you aren't out there on the front lines anymore, you really don't have much ground to stand on when criticizing the new generation.

Bryan Wilson11 said:It’s probably for the best that you aren't involved in the fan subculture or the Ultras.
The internet is really all you have left. 👍

That was a pretty sharp way to put it. It feels like some people are just disconnected from reality, spending their time leaving juvenile insults online after watching a video, as if that's the peak of their existence. They try to perform these deep analyses, obsessing over the how, why, and where through endless comparisons.
It's funny how you can always spot someone who feels this intense need to provide an analytical breakdown after an incident like this, almost as if they're trying to lecture a hooligan on how things work.🙏

He didn't have a clue what was going on, much like someone trying to navigate through a thick fog without even a compass to guide them.

Tyler Taylor82 said:It’s all pretty pointless; if I had suggested the Yankees didn't exist back in 1950, it would have been treated like the end of the world, and you could climb Mount Rainier without ever being able to prove that hypothetical reality. He just threw out a few tired clichés and insulted me simply because I shared my perspective as an alternative projection, yet you're siding with him just because he shares your political leanings. Honestly, I'm a bit disappointed; I follow your posts in other threads and always thought you were much more insightful, even though I disagree with about 95% of what you say.

And sure, go ahead and delete everything, assuming there’s actually a moderator active here.

I haven't taken anyone's side; I simply have an interest in counterfactual history. In the realm of alternative history, things like Mount Rainier or global catastrophes don't really apply, as historical movements teach us to look beyond those specifics.
Besides, I can't support his argument because I find his posts and the quotes he uses to be completely baseless😁..
Those childish accusations that I'm some kind of partisan or belong to a specific political tribe—well, if that helps you sleep better at night, fine by me.
You'd be better off heading over to the history forums to discuss alternatives there.👍

Tyler Taylor82 said:That was a sharp rebuttal; you really laid out some solid points 🐔

At its core, what he said actually holds water... aside from the fact that neither of us are citing North specifically😁..If you’re going to push back against a point, there's a certain art to doing it with actual substance and reasoning. Dismissing an idea just by slapping a label on it or relying on a knee-jerk reaction—much like the way you presented your thesis—is more akin to a mindless comment section on a tabloid news site than a real discussion..

Attempting to dismantle your post with logic feels like a bit of a paradox, mostly because nothing was actually refuted here. You essentially proposed a theory about alternative histories—the kind of things people spend lifetimes researching in academic journals and textbooks. I just hope someone doesn't come along and scrub the whole thread away😁

placidheron19 said:Of course we respect the established borders, provided you actually live within them—unless, of course, you're calling from Canada.
Go ahead and run that nonsense by Bloomberg if you want an audience for it. 👍

It is quite charming how you progressive types insist on rebranding Americans from Canada as merely "Canadian Catholics" to make yourselves feel better. 👍..
It’s always a convenient little narrative for Cuti to claim his heart truly belongs to places like Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Boise, Idaho, Lower Laplac, Denver, Colorado, and Kissimmee, Florida, rather than the folks in Chattanooga, Tennessee, or Columbus, Ohio. 😁..

placidheron19 said:Looking at those signs out east, I honestly thought I was staring at the national team from Canada😬

Chattanooga, Dover, Delaware, Columbus, Ohio, and so on 🤣

You Americans? Honestly, you don't amount to much at all 😂

Progressive Cosmopolitans 1950🙏
Let's just keep honoring those arbitrary borders, shall we?😉

brisktrucker2 said:That’s exactly my point. People keep falling for this narrative that because Dinamo keeps winning everything, things have become impossibly difficult for everyone else, which just isn't a fair assessment of reality.
It wouldn't hurt to remind everyone that back then, Hajduk was actually clinching championships two years running while Dinamo was basically just playing in a glorified scrimmage league. There were no big European tournaments to worry about, no massive transfer deals, and certainly no global influence to contend with. I'm not trying to be critical; I just don't want us to let a tired old lie become accepted as fact through sheer repetition.

Wait, since when did the fight for a democratic Hajduk Split begin? It seems like you all started cleaning up the house much earlier than I ever realized...

cosmicridge6 said:You’re talking about cooperating with the police? That’s rich coming from someone who was busy hiring protesters and cutting deals behind the scenes with Antolic... you’re honestly a riot, acting like there’s some big organized group or club involved here.

It’s going to be a veeeeery long road ahead...🙂

irondrifter4 said:It seems you might be a bit disconnected from how things actually functioned back then. If I recall correctly, during those years in the mid-90s, most of the kids carrying telescopic batons or knives were just teenagers, maybe between sixteen and nineteen years old—hardly a rarity at all. In NYC, people wandered wherever they pleased, and you saw everything from massive groups marching from Penn Station toward the stadium, tearing through anything in their path, to small, isolated skirmishes popping up on almost every corner.

There were countless times when those unruly crowds would have charged right into a vehicle carrying returning veterans. You can only imagine the outcome if someone swung a baton at a soldier who was exhausted, battle-worn, and completely out of patience with the world. There were some truly grim and heartbreaking moments back then, and frankly, we were lucky that the restraint shown by certain individuals prevented much larger tragedies from unfolding.

So, with all due respect, I’m not one to jump in here and comment constantly, and I actually agree that there should be more defense in the stands, but please, let's not spread misinformation.

What do you mean, black telescopic batons? Back then, if they were even starting to show up after the turn of the millennium, everyone just called them French sticks.

wanderingwolf3 said:It’s mostly just myth and hearsay, honestly; from what I can recall, they never actually had much influence in Chicago, though I suppose drugs might have clouded my memory a bit—unless analogheron19 thinks otherwise.

You mention nothing before 2006, yet you've been harping on about the PlayStation ever since...
Well, their timing was always a little off, much like how someone might lose track of the morning after staying up too late. There are also certain details regarding the situation in Chicago that you seem to have overlooked, but those are really just minor technicalities.☕

I just wanted to send a quick shout-out to all the ladies holding down the red phone lines on the Chicago-to-Miami route...

It’s pretty clear I’ve been playing some high-stakes poker lately, and things have gotten a bit heated over the last few weeks...