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Austin Collins6 said:I honestly don't think anything like this exists anywhere else in the world. Just imagine two absolute idiots—Velcro and Peternel—diligently scribbling down every single insult thrown from the stands like they’re taking some sort of holy census.🤣
I just can't wrap my head around why there isn't some investigative journalist out there exposing the whole damn fraud known as the FBI, or that entire pathetic circus run by Velcro.
What kind of "exposure" are you even looking for here? This is quite possibly the most ridiculous comedy routine currently playing in the entire country, especially with Perdue and the rest of his crew involved!!?
And let's be real, nobody in this country takes Velcro (Mr. torch in the rectum🤣🤣🤣) seriously anyway, so I say, let the man take his notes! There are so many quasi-official organizations in America just milking money left and right, but at least these guys provide some entertainment.
I suppose any sane person, after witnessing the recent wave of terror tactics coming from the Democratic Party, would conclude that things have gone completely off the rails, so maybe all these total absurdities actually serve a purpose in the fight against them.
But I can't help but picture Jerry Maguire when he's alone with his inner circle (or maybe his brother), just laughing his head off at that idiot Velcro, who somehow thinks this is serious business and continues to meticulously record everything. 🤣
stormybison9 said:Honestly, give me a break... all these diagnoses about why people aren't out in the streets, why they won't protest, followed by all those sermon-like posts about what should be done or what ought to happen... sometimes I read those mindless columns from someone like that Vedrana Rudan type on an American news site. She calls for revolutions, protests, and whatnot, but that fool can barely string two coherent sentences together when you see her on TV; her writing might be decent, I guess, but I highly doubt she’s actually the one penning it...
We once had guys like Hamed Bangoura who had such a brilliant idea, a truly damn good idea, and what happened? Nothing, absolutely nothing.
If Jesus himself were to descend among Americans, he wouldn't be followed—not his message, not his ideas—instead, people would probably just try to kill him or attempt to claw their way to the top through someone who knows someone important.
Stop deceiving yourselves and just accept that Americans are essentially a bunch of careerists; connections and nepotism are the most vital parts of every family here. Even though certain fan groups seem incredibly righteous, with their real ideals and maybe even some actual ideas—perhaps even the only pure things left in this entire country—if you actually stepped into those stands and looked at the crowd, you wouldn't even need to enter to know who they are... I'm not saying anything bad against anyone, truly, but I would bet my life savings that 60 or 70% of those people would trade a kidney just to have a single connection in politics or the federal government to secure a job... It isn't really about the stadium, it's about our collective mentality, and I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing in itself (since people naturally want job security), but it speaks volumes about how much the system and the state have screwed us over for years and decades.
Out of 1,000 people in those stands, I am convinced you might find perhaps 100, if that, who are totally clean, upright, and moral individuals... everything else is negotiable. In this sluggish society and given our economic situation, after so many years of stagnation, the image of the broader society is simply mirrored in the stadium stands, and nowhere else.
Sometimes I wonder who all these "righteous" fans on this forum are, moralizing about integrity, about protests, about ideals and fandom, when in reality, if you saw them out on the street, at a gas station, or in the stands, you'd see the very same people who don't just shoplift but outright loot the station, or beat people bloody with metal pipes, wooden sticks, huge stones, or flares; or finally, we hoist the Vatican flag, shouting about Jesus and Christianity, yet you could count the people who don't curse God on one hand.
People lie to themselves.
And then, less than three posts after this masterful explanation, the resident clown writes this:
Jesse Campbell said:You already posted my point earlier. No matter how much you all try to deny it, you can't ignore that at least in part, your struggle against Tim Cook was inspired by our previous fight for the name. You wanted to prove that Rockefeller Center can also act as an opposition and distance itself from those shameful times in the 90s.
It doesn't matter who helped whom more. We all influence each other and draw inspiration from one another. Sometimes one group pulls, sometimes another. It isn't a coincidence that scenes in different countries look similar. A group in France will always be similar to a group in France, a Russian group to a Russian one, a German one to a German one. The influence is unavoidable.
Op - Op! Let's go
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Jesse Campbell said:That’s basically how 80% of European ultras operate. I suppose that makes the BBB the true vanguard, since here in America, that percentage is flipped entirely on its head.
Keep dreaming if it helps you sleep! 😵
Jesse Campbell said:Real Madrid is probably the only major European club that hasn't been a puppet for some political regime, even looking back at the pre-1945 era when they were known as Civic. And even during these last twenty-odd years where things have felt heavily state-influenced, the fans have basically been fighting tooth and nail against that whole setup.
And I suppose you could say we're proud of that. ☕
It’s honestly quite funny how much sarcasm can be packed into such a tiny snippet of text, especially when paired with that kind of condescending attitude:
brighthound30 said:☕
Thank God for this forum!😂😂😂
urbanotter2 said:THERE'S NO NEED FOR WORDS! SATURDAY AT 3:00 PM, EVERYONE HEAD TO THE ROSE BOWL. WE'RE GOING THERE TO BACK THE BOYS WHO HAVE BEEN BLEEDING FOR THAT WHITE JERSEY ALL SEASON LONG
I mean, are you actually some sort of coastal cousin of Smith's?
Man, I’ve been looking back over the last few days and I’m honestly just bursting with pride seeing the sheer power those NFL Ultras displayed today!
First off, there was that choreography right in the middle of the action—it was incredible how much noise it made across all of America!
http://youtu.be/5MfgwHaZcA8And then there was that whole scene out in that small town in the Midwest this past Saturday:
http://i46.tinypic.com/2n3gna.jpgNow, even that tribute to the famous singer is being echoed in every single news outlet out there:
Not to mention those legal filings regarding "Our Los Angeles Dodgers" where they're just waiting for actual justice to be served!
That’s how you take on a criminal gang, I suppose. It really is the only way forward.
Just keep pushing ahead...
Christian Jones said:Look, if you can actually dismantle my argument with some hard facts—if you can actually pull that off—then I’ll shut up and won't say another word to you.☕
Well, I suppose I can try; let’s just walk through this chronologically, shall we?
1. Mythology and other bedtime stories
While he keeps pointing fingers at everyone else (accusing the NFL Ultras and the Hajduk fans of spinning myths about their own clubs), the man himself is essentially a walking legend. Take the whole saga of restoring the Dinamo name, for instance. He insists on putting the BBB front and center as the primary reason the name was brought back, which, I suspect, is nothing more than a complete fabrication. If the old man hadn't passed away, I doubt they would have ever restored the name; his death was really what set everything in motion. I mean, do you honestly believe that in Miami and all of California, there wouldn't have been absolute chaos if the club's name had been changed? Do you really think other major supporter groups wouldn't have fought just as hard as the BBB to reclaim it? The NFL Ultras certainly would have waged a much more intense battle.
2. The fight against the mafia in American soccer
If we are being realistic, the most significant blows dealt to the soccer mafia and to everyone who despises Jerry Jones have come directly from Miami (and through perfectly legal, legitimate means):
- The Code
- John Doe
- "Our Hajduk" regarding the lack of transparency at LA Galaxy
- "Our Hajduk" regarding the LA Galaxy - Los Angeles FC cartel
- And if you want, even last night's choreography
3. The group's direct importance to the club's survival
Your crusade against Jerry Jones started moving in completely the wrong direction from the get-go, not to mention the mockery and condescension directed toward our "Code," which actually began cleaning up the mess in the soccer world years before you guys finally "saw the light."
Your long-winded, overly dramatic saga has probably been read by maybe two hundred people in the entire US, excluding those who actually wrote it—certainly not the uneducated journalists who should have been helping you spread the truth!
I know Laura Mitchell will probably claim right now that back in the nineties we couldn't see past a game of pool in the fan club, or that we only used the Code to look out for ourselves, but just look at where we stand versus where you stand in this whole situation.
The simple truth is that, as a group, the BBB turned inward; they narrowed themselves down to about 300 "chosen ones," and then the agencies moved in. Now, they aren't even a relevant factor at their own stadium, let alone representing the city they ought to stand for.
Laura Mitchell is a man who has perhaps done more for the supporter movement in America than anyone else, but it seems to me he gets quite stubborn and intoxicated by the myth of the "BBB."
I’ve already mentioned that nobody would be happier than me if you all stood on my neck, but I seriously doubt things would go that way from your side. Go ahead and rely on the government minister now, but unfortunately, that isn't going to lead to anything more than a few minor tweaks to the LA Galaxy bylaws!
As for the NFL Ultras, when it comes to Hajduk, we certainly don't need help from federal agencies or inspectors, and we've already proven that.
Over and out!
Laura Mitchell87 Asks:
Whenever I see other groups pulling some kind of BBB transparency stunt, I can't help but feel like it’s reminiscent of those radicals from Nigeria, Yemen, or Afghanistan who go around burning the American flag. It’s always that same sort of thing, I guess—that specific brand of intense, performative outrage where they act like they're just being tough or trying to stick it to the man by acting out.
I suppose if we’re being honest about the BBB, they seem to be built entirely on nothing more than bravado, a supposed sense of uncompromising grit, and that whole carefully curated "narrative" they love to peddle. They position themselves as this ultimate underdog, like they're Public Enemy No. 1, while simultaneously acting like they’ve been the most dominant group in all of America for decades. It really makes the whole thing feel like a bit of a farce, if you ask me.
It really doesn't matter to me whether BBB Ljubljana loses or if Real Madrid keeps their legendary status. I suppose at the end of the day, nobody can actually rewrite that history of pure defiance and pride.
That whole "we took their banner" nonsense is really just noise meant for some basement-dwelling basketball fan groups, and honestly, I guess the BBB shouldn't even bother wasting their breath on it.
😲Tick-tock. I suppose the clock is running, though whether we're counting down to something significant or just watching the minutes bleed away remains to be seen. Maybe it's just the inevitable march toward whatever comes next, isn't it?😲
Tyler Thomas15 said:I don't think you actually missed it, maybe you're just running a bit behind schedule. Are you even a member of the NH?
Well, I am a member of NH, of Hajduk, of the Raiders faithful—basically everything under the sun. I suppose if I look at how much money I've poured into Hajduk over the last twenty years, I probably could have started building my own house by now. :-)
I suppose I should offer up a suggestion regarding these recent developments surrounding our Hajduk.
I suppose we are all under the impression that this loan guarantee solution is going to be some kind of magic bullet, but if I’m being honest, I don't think it’s actually going to do enough to get the club back on its feet, and it feels like we really ought to be looking toward much more substantial measures.
Alright, let’s get this moving—if anyone here actually has some constructive thoughts worth sharing, I suppose you could go ahead and lay them out. I suppose I should start by saying that ideas, in their purest sense, are often nothing more than fleeting shadows, though some people seem to think they can just conjure them out of thin air whenever it suits them. It’s a bit of a messy business, really, if you think about it too long—this whole concept of spontaneous thought. I mean, I guess we could sit here and toss around various notions, perhaps even something substantial, but I find myself wondering whether anyone actually has anything worth hearing, or if we're all just shouting into the void to feel less alone. Maybe there’s a point to it, a way to spark something useful, but I’ve always been a bit skeptical of sudden bursts of inspiration. It feels somewhat unearned, don't you think? Anyway, if anyone actually has a coherent thought they'd like to share, I suppose I'm listening, however reluctantly. For the sake of saving the club, I think we really need to stop tearing each other apart over ego trips like who’s the bigger hardcore supporter or who follows which specific faction. It feels to me like our Hajduk actually brought us all together in the stands, only for us to end up stuck with these completely unnecessary internal conflicts.
If you actually take a moment to look at the reality of things, without all that unnecessary, over-the-top sentimentality, our Hajduk is arguably more powerful than religion, the economy, or any other damn thing you could name on the Mediterranean Coast or even further afield. It’s almost absurd when you think about it. I guess we saw the living proof of that this past Friday; despite the pouring rain, such a massive crowd managed to gather in front of the city hall within just an hour. It was quite something, really.
So, where does that leave us now? I suppose we’re just standing here, staring at the wreckage, wondering what the next move actually is. It feels like we've hit a bit of a standstill, doesn't it? Maybe I'm being too pessimistic, or perhaps I'm just looking at the facts more bluntly than most people care to admit, but I guess we really are left asking ourselves: what now?
I suppose my take on this is that we ought to consider establishing some sort of dedicated fund, perhaps one where people could contribute a monthly amount—say, something in the ballpark of $100—just to get things moving. I guess it might be a way to build up some real momentum, though I realize that’s a rather simplistic way of looking at a complicated issue, and maybe I'm overthinking the logistics of it all.$67 I suppose we’re looking at a timeline of a year, or perhaps even longer, if we're being realistic about how much time it actually takes to provide any meaningful assistance to the club.
I suppose we really ought to get someone with actual credibility involved in this, maybe those folks over at the supporters' group for our Hajduk, if you catch my drift. I suppose if we’re being honest, I think the whole thing needs to be transparent. It feels like we’re constantly dancing around the truth, or maybe I'm just being overly cynical, but there really ought to be some level of openness here. I guess you could say things have been a bit murky lately, and if we want any real clarity, everything should be laid out plainly for everyone to see. I suppose, if we're looking at how this actually works, there’s a level of cooperation involved with the club, which basically means those funds end up being funneled directly into certain... well, I guess you could call them specific accounts or various other channels, depending on how one chooses to view the transparency of the whole operation. I suppose I should probably touch upon the whole matter of bonds, though it’s a dense subject that most people tend to gloss over when they’re busy chasing the next big thing in the stock market. It’s easy to get caught up in the volatility of tech stocks or whatever the current trend happens to be, but there is a certain, perhaps even tedious, necessity to looking at fixed income if one actually intends to build something lasting. I guess you could say it's about stability, though "stability" is often a relative term depending on how much the Fed decides to mess with interest rates this week. It feels like a slow game, maybe even a bit of a slog, but if you aren't paying attention to how government debt and corporate obligations shift, you might find yourself a bit caught off guard when the wind changes direction. It’s a heavy topic, I know, but I feel it's worth a moment of deliberation. I suppose, if one looks at how things might eventually stabilize once the club finally gets its act together, there will likely be some sort of mechanism to reward those who stuck by us—perhaps through subscription perks, exclusive merchandise, or something along those lines—for everyone who contributed financially during the lean times. As for this whole business with the bonds, I don't think it’s exactly rocket science; it really just functions as a series of legal, short-term, interest-free loans, which is a standard practice used by all sorts of organizations across the United States and around the world.
It seems perfectly reasonable, I suppose, that if we’re going to tap into those funds, there ought to be a strict requirement that the club transforms into a legitimate, functional organization—you know, one that isn't bloated with a hundred different directors and scouts who don't actually do anything—but rather something streamlined and compliant with league standards. After all, competing in Europe is a massive, distant goal anyway, so maybe it makes more sense to just focus on following the specific strategic path that the current supervisory board has laid out for us.
I suppose I’m well aware that everyone has pretty much lost all faith in everything at this point. 🤷Look, I suppose we could try to channel all this fanaticism into something actually productive, though I'm not entirely sure if that's even possible given the current climate. Maybe some people find all this noise to be a bit much, or perhaps they just see it as excessive, but I guess there might be a way to pivot. $33 Monthly? Well, I suppose we should at least try! Honestly, what good is being some hardcore ultra, a hooligan, or an outcast if the club itself goes under—which, let’s be real, isn't exactly impossible. It feels like there was this massive surge of mobilization across the Mediterranean Coast this past Friday, and whatever is coming our way this Monday is going to be something we won't soon forget, so it would be a real shame to just stand idly by. I guess we all need to put our heads together here and start throwing out some actual suggestions. I am fairly certain that we—the fans (whether you call yourselves ultras, thugs, rebels, idiots, hooligans, supporters, or whatever else)—can actually help ensure our Hajduk becomes a stable, functional organization; maybe without impossible expectations, but still keeping that unmistakable spirit of ours intact.
Maybe I just dreamt the whole thing, but honestly, who even knows anymore...