I wasn't planning on dragging this whole thing out indefinitely—really, I wasn't—but since your post wraps up with a question (and it’s only fair to provide an answer), I find myself caught between two common tropes I see around here on the forums: either I'm accused of being a pedant, or I'm told I'm just running away from a debate the moment I start "losing." Well, if I have to choose, I’ll take being a pedant, so in that spirit, here are a few more thoughts.
Maria Barnes said:The chats aren't really moderated anyway. Things only get handled if someone actually reports them.
What's the point of deleting the original posts? You’re the one who highlighted the garbage in the first place. By dragging them out into the public eye, you just made them more visible. If we’re being consistent, we should start by nuking your post, along with everything else brought here. I doubt you'd be thrilled about that. They stay up because they show how this community reacts to spam and where we stand on it.
So, you want to moderate?
The initial argument was that "the moderator didn't notice," to which I pointed out the timestamps of two moderator posts located immediately adjacent to the first problematic entry. Honestly, I still find it hard to believe that someone can drop a post without glancing at even a few of the preceding ones. As for reporting, I don't have any proof, but it strikes me as incredible—and frankly, quite pathetic if true—that absolutely nobody flagged anything. I know, I didn't flag it either, but I'm certainly not going to offer excuses for why I didn't.
You're the one highlighting unwanted content by bringing it into such a visible public space.
Imagine if some graffiti popped up in a small rural town in the Midwest about how
certain groups from Saudi Arabia (🙄) shouldn't have anything to do with white women, and then a news outlet wrote an article about how the authorities ignored that graffiti. To me, that article wouldn't be considered "highlighting unwanted content."
...so we'd have to delete your post first, along with all the subsequent replies. I doubt you'd appreciate that.
Not only would I actually appreciate it (which is exactly why I wrote the post in the first place), but the practice of "deleting the original post and everything following it" is actually applied here quite often—usually accompanied by a broom emoji. If that happens frequently regarding chat logs, I fail to see why it would be an issue to do the same for content that clashes not just with forum rules, but with actual legal standards.
If a moderator didn't react to a problematic post the moment it was written, and instead a chain of posts from other users follows immediately after, creating pages of replies, what would they even do?
A "problematic post" is when Peter calls Marina a stupid cow, or when Steve messes with Stephen over donuts and Stephen hits back about some minor stuff. You could argue about how to handle those kinds of posts right here, where variables like the seriousness of the topic or how strict the moderators are on the platform come into play.
But these aren't "problematic posts": this is—and the assigned warnings suggest we agree on this—a concentrated dose of racism that has no place in the public square, according to both our community guidelines and the laws of the United States.
Leaving this kind of content up on the site just makes it seem perfectly fine to a lot of uneducated readers—which is how you end up with people using certain
slang terms that everyone seems to toss around, yet they genuinely can't wrap their heads around why calling someone an "uneducated minority" is considered blatant racism.
So, do you want to moderate?
Without getting into any speculation about whether the offer is actually serious or not: no, thank you.
There are plenty of reasons, though I suppose the head of the department could probably recall the main one—and honestly, I don't think I even need to remind you. Dammit, I have a memory.😬.