Peter Doyle2 said:If it weren't for great leaders, these kinds of nations wouldn't even exist in the first place. Russia wouldn't even exist anymore; everything would just splinter into a mess of various clans and factions facing unprecedented poverty. It seems to me they realize this too, and they aren't exactly rushing toward democracy. The sanctions are harsh, sure. But they're still probably a better option than what would await them if the whole thing collapsed.
Anyway, I'm just philosophizing so I don't seem completely off-topic while I say hi to analogbear5 😍 it's truly incredible how much some unknown people behind pixels can cheer us up when we see them after such a long time. Even I wasn't particularly excited about returning to the forum, and I'm not even sure why I decided to come back, but here I am—my handle and color are still the same 🤣 I was actually wondering the other day what happened to my neighbor to the south! Glad to hear everything is okay! Greetings to Miami, tell Lowry I said hi over at the Heat.😬
Hey right back at you, my friend from way up North! Great to see you again. We'll look after the injured Lowry; the Heat are looking solid this year, we just need to get through these guys from Philadelphia and then we'll see... plus the Florida Panthers are killing it this season, so our tropical hockey guys are out there swinging those Canadian sticks like crazy against everyone up North... Anyway, let me get back to the topic before Cuka and the mods start giving us grief...
No matter how many people—even here in the US—wish Russia and the Russians would just vanish tomorrow, there will always be people who feel that way. Sanctions might take down Putin, but they aren't going to erase the Russian idea or their specific way of seeing their society. I don't honestly believe that removing Putin himself will change anything significant. Did sanctions really change much in Iran, Iraq, etc.? And will they ever truly change things in China? Who knows, I don't have a crystal ball, but what does history teach us? These are probably the toughest sanctions ever slapped on, so we'll just have to wait and see what actually happens...
The whole debate about Democracy—its pros and its cons—is more suited for DZ or Philosophy. Maybe that's where the conversation should stay. I haven't posted over there in a while...
What actually worries me about all of this, as a lifelong peace lover, is the sheer amount of hate this war is fueling via social media—and Putin is largely responsible for that, though obviously not alone. Unfortunately, hating Russians, Ukrainians, or anyone who doesn't think exactly like us has become "in fashion."
We're already in this war, even if we like to pretend we aren't. I just pray that World War III stays far away from all of us.