Posts by Ronald Chavez2

coastaltiger7 said:I guess every epidemiologist handles things differently.
I know plenty of cases where family members stayed in isolation starting from the day the sick person recovered.
The epidemiologist in my city tells us you can still be contagious on the very last day of the primary patient's illness, so because of that, everyone else's isolation period starts from that final day.
And honestly, that makes sense to me.

That’s only because those family members isolated simply because they didn't have a decent setup at home to actually quarantine an infected person properly. You just tell the epidemiologist that the sick person was kept in a separate room, that the last contact happened when you drove them to get tested, and suddenly your ten-day clock starts ticking from that moment, doesn't it?

Grace Rogers3 said:I already pointed out that living under the same roof means we have contact. So, what now?--is anyone actually listening?

It doesn't really matter; if you happen to deal with a doctor who actually takes their job seriously, they’ll likely ask about your living situation. They might want to know if there's any way—regardless of sharing a roof—for her to move into a separate room, or if you can manage to avoid one another in common areas like the kitchen or bathroom, or simply stop sleeping or eating together, and that's supposedly enough. Of course, because pretending that's actually possible is such a simple task, isn't it?

Grace Rogers3 said:My wife just tested positive for COVID. We share the same house—so, how many days am I stuck in isolation?

You're looking at ten days from the date of her test, assuming you tell an epidemiologist or your primary care physician that she’s been isolating in a separate part of the house without any contact. Is there really any other way to play it?

Does anyone know if there are any actual plans to extend the immunity period from isolation, especially since recent studies show that coronavirus immunity lasts much longer than three months? Is this issue even being brought up during the press briefings?

Linda Lee4 said:Just a quick question for the survivalist crowd here. If having a little bit of bourbon and some whiskey is fine, does that really violate any safety protocols? I mean, if people can hang out in a crowded hospital during a pandemic, surely we can manage a few drinks without breaking the world. ☕

It’s certainly not okay for some irresponsible person on vacation, but for medical professionals, shouldn't there be some leeway, especially since they're being run ragged by reckless Americans who refuse to wear their masks properly, so maybe it’s only fair they get a moment to breathe before heading back into the fray against the unhygienic masses and the terrible plague of the 21st century?

rustywalker82 said:So, when we’re taking in all this outside funding, does that mean some poor folks elsewhere are just dying off to make it happen? Is that really how it works? I mean, is that actually true? 😁

Ahahahaha.

We aren't receiving anything; all we've actually been handed so far are political promises which, if you take anything from a lifetime spent living in America, are essentially indistinguishable from outright lies. Am I really expected to explain such an obvious reality to a grown adult?

rustywalker82 said:Once the US starts pulling in those massive billions through federal stimulus packages and infrastructure grants, suddenly nobody’s going to complain about people losing out. You won't hear anyone crying about how the kids, the youth, or the struggling folks in our local communities are getting screwed over when that money starts flowing.

All of a sudden, everyone who was acting like a hero becomes strangely quiet. It’s funny how nobody happens to think of those same arguments right when the cash hits the table. 😬
Does anyone remember that old song? You know, the one that goes, "Now you're gone, and I'm just sitting here alone"? 🙂

Do you really buy into those fairy tales told by people like Plenković?

Gregory Thompson3 said:It's the exact same thing outside of the hospital system.
What's the actual issue here?

I guess I'm just curious what everyone is specifically complaining about when they talk about this being an unlawful state, especially since nobody has ever actually received an official government notice with a formal seal or anything. 😁

The real issue is that if you're going to restrict someone's personal freedoms—which is essentially what self-isolation acts as, a sort of voluntary house arrest—that individual should at least be formally notified and given a way to appeal the decision.

For instance, if I were infected, nothing would stop me from claiming I was out partying with Gregory Thompson3 until the early hours on Saturday, and just like that, I'd be stuck in isolation through no fault of my own. What exactly are you supposed to appeal when there isn't even an official document telling you that you're under quarantine?

Gregory Thompson3 said:This might sound like an absurd question, but I figured I’d ask anyway.

What does the "rule of law" actually have to do with the fact that you only receive a notification if your test comes back positive?
Do people seriously need some notarized, official document with a government seal just to justify staying home for two weeks because they tested positive for the virus?

It seems you aren't quite up to speed on the situation, so let me break it down. Self-isolation is also mandated for anyone who has been in contact with those infected, yet the government doesn't even bother testing those contacts unless symptoms actually show up. In other words, isn't it possible for someone to lose two weeks of their life for absolutely nothing?

Furthermore, this article makes it perfectly clear how much of a gray area we're dealing with:

Of all the failures by the Task Force, the stalling regarding self-isolation orders might actually be the worst.

Quentin:

The core issue here is that these quarantine mandates are being enforced within a legal gray zone, offering no avenue for appeal, while simultaneously leaving citizens vulnerable to heavy fines if they dare to violate them. To make matters worse, citizens aren't receiving any formal written notice, nor do they have the right to contest the decision. > has confirmed through several interviews with individuals forced into isolation that these official notices simply aren't being issued.

It’s all just spoken word, yet they use those details to feed some centralized app so the police can track your movements, and suddenly your local pharmacy is flagging you as needing to quarantine or something similar.

Lawrence Reed3 said:Me too—that’s how it used to be... you actually get something official in the mail. I mean, it's not like everyone is constantly running to the doctor or hitting up a CVS just to find out things on a whim. Maybe this guy was just worried about getting pulled over by the police, so he went to check? Personally, I probably wouldn't bother checking stuff out unless there was an actual formal notice sent my way.

You don't get anything official at all; you just get a phone call and that's the end of it, which really shows you exactly how the rule of law operates in this country.

Nicole James said:Not at all. It’s pretty obvious that contact tracing is becoming a thing of the past—which, frankly, feels like just another step toward exponential growth. We might get another month or two of breathing room, but then we'll likely face the Italian scenario: a massive spike followed by a total national lockdown, forcing us to start the whole process over from scratch...

That seems far too optimistic; we could be looking at 500,000 deaths before Easter🤣

crimsonranger3 said:I spent three days asking, and it didn't work.

My only real concern is getting hit with a "delayed" quarantine. Like, they tack on extra days because they were slow to implement the rules.

As for the ethics, I don't care. A mask is enough protection when you're just heading out to vote. Scumbags.

You aren't going to get an extended quarantine, seeing as your two-week window from that last contact has already been ticking away, right? The only thing that could happen is you end up with a shortened one if they notify you late—basically after your isolation period should have already ended. Whether there's any actual logic behind that is another question entirely.

neonbison6 said:I see a few people were getting calls because they ran into someone with a cold just last week. So, how long do folks actually have to stay in quarantine in that case? Is it like a 3-day thing?😵

Yeah, they track everything from the moment you last saw someone who tested positive, and in my case, I ended up having to quarantine for six days.😛

crimsonranger3 said:Hey, since I just found out from my contact that I tested positive, am I supposed to self-isolate immediately, or should I wait until an official calls me from the CDC?
I need to head to the grocery store for some supplies.

You wait until you get that call from the health department. I ended up stuck in isolation today myself, even though my exposure was all the way back last week.

wanderingbadger44 said:Exactly.

The issue with your perspective, though, is that you aren't distinguishing between a substantiated complaint and an baseless one.

Now, don't get me wrong—a baseless accusation isn't exactly a win. Once it's determined that you did nothing wrong, all you really get is the relief of being cleared, which is its own kind of satisfaction. There is absolutely no talk of apologies or penalties for whoever filed that false report.

But a baseless complaint gets dismissed. See what I mean? It carries no weight and results in no consequences for you, aside from the sheer stress and the toll it takes on your nerves.

On the other hand, a substantiated complaint—one that actually proves you were in the wrong—carries real consequences.
Any report regarding a violation of the Timekeeper or standard protocols, or failing to allow a student to complete a test, or even recording a grade for an exam a student couldn't even take because, hello!, they didn't have a pencil to write with... those reports would be taken very seriously by the administration.

Do you see the distinction between a report that sticks and one that gets tossed out?

Let me lay it out one more time:
if I refuse to give a student an 'A' when they have a 3.71 GPA and a parent files a grievance, that complaint will be deemed baseless and dismissed. I won't face any official trouble because of it (again, excluding the headache and the stress).

However, if I bypass protocol by rescheduling a test on my own whim, or if I fail to maintain a quiet environment in the classroom, or if students lose their testing time because I spent the whole period arguing with a kid who forgot their supplies, then the complaint is substantiated. In those cases, beyond just the stress, I am facing genuine, serious disciplinary action.

But where is the actual logic in that? Does anyone really think a teacher starts an argument just for the sake of being difficult or to sabotage everyone else's focus during a test? Students have rights, certainly, but they also have responsibilities, such as showing up with basic supplies and actually following instructions. If a student disrupts the entire process, shouldn't the consequences fall on them rather than making the teacher responsible for both their own conduct and the chaos caused by someone else?

Nicholas King said:It seems quite obvious to me that through your phrasing, you are constantly positioning yourself as someone who isn't just above the teachers, but actively opposed to them—someone who drafts theoretical protocols for "perfect scenarios," operating under that logic of "if the facts aren't on our side, we'll just redefine the facts" (and I'm certainly not responsible for the fact that there isn't actually a colleague you can call to step in according to your "perfect protocol," nor am I responsible for your constant refrain about "working with such people," ...) and—last but not least—as someone overflowing with passive-aggressive condescension toward the faculty, all while occupying a role where, by the very definition of the job title, you are supposed to be a professional partner?

I fail to see how exactly I’ve positioned myself against the teaching staff. I’ll address the bolded sections since I may have been misunderstood. My first point wasn't intended to imply that it's somehow my fault no one is around to help; rather, I was simply outlining one possibility that exists in such situations, while acknowledging that no one is obligated to be available and no "free" teacher is required to jump in unless they feel like it. Of course, a person might be busy grading exams, drowning in paperwork, or simply needing a moment to recover after a grueling period and decide they just don't want to step in.

With the second bolded part, I wanted to emphasize that it shouldn't be the role of professional assistants to clean up after teachers just because they've "brought an audit down on the school" or similar issues.

The final point likely refers to my response to @yildirima, and yes, it was a purely passive-aggressive outburst, triggered by his sweeping claim about the uselessness of support staff; I wanted to poke the other side a bit, fueled also by a genuine curiosity about what he considers an ideally organized school system in that regard. Naturally, this doesn't change the fact that it was an immature outburst that likely contributes nothing to the discussion, so I offer my apologies to my colleague for that.

wanderingbadger44 said:Classic FBI mentality!
😬Officer Quote

and you run the risk of some John Doe or a parent calling for an inspection.
And honestly, they’d be within their rights to call. Imagine a kid who has spent all week studying, ready to tackle this exam today, only to have it pushed back because the schedule wasn't followed. It’s a violation of the rules. When students prepare themselves mentally for a specific moment, they can't just have that obligation shifted onto them later amidst a mountain of other schoolwork.
An exam scheduled by the district calendar isn't something you can just cancel or postpone on a whim unless you follow the official protocol.

Are any of my fellow FBI colleagues actually familiar with the regulations?

Because once an inspector shows up, the FBI will make sure to distance themselves from you in a heartbeat. In fact, before the inspector even arrives, they'll likely be breathing down your neck for bringing heat onto the school.

you call over a colleague to step in for you, basically asking them to keep an eye on the kids while you sort things out with a student.

By Telephone? Or via telepathy? While they are busy teaching their own classes? Am I supposed to leave a room full of tests, walk out of the classroom to find a colleague to supervise, and then come back?

It’s so clear you don't have a clue how this works, and you're doing a wonderful job confirming why people think the FBI just lives in a world of theory.

That’s usually how I handle it, too. I just stand there with the exams and won't budge until the environment is right for testing. And I'm constantly checking my watch or the clock on the wall.

I was just trying to paint a picture of the risk involved. If the students don't settle down and we don't start at a reasonable time, you're looking at complaints from parents who feel their child's precious study time was wasted. Personally, I don't want to deal with the wrath of John Does or angry parents.

Of course you're taking a risk. You're risking it whether you fail to give everyone an A at the end of the year regardless of their actual GPA, or if you simply try to maintain some semblance of order and don't let the kids run wild during class. There’s plenty more where that came from, but the point is that no matter what you decide to do, there's always some idiot out there looking for a reason to call the school board on you.

There’s an official procedure for postponing or canceling a written exam, isn't there, but I can't help but feel that this specific situation justifies it entirely. When someone is acting out and causing a scene right next to you while everyone else is trying to focus on their test, what else is that but a perfectly valid reason to push things back until conditions are actually suitable for testing?

wanderingbadger44 said:Classic FBI mentality!
😬Officer Quote

and you run the risk of some John Doe or a parent calling for an inspection.
And honestly, they’d be within their rights to call. Imagine a kid who has spent all week studying, ready to tackle this exam today, only to have it pushed back because the schedule wasn't followed. It’s a violation of the rules. When students prepare themselves mentally for a specific moment, they can't just have that obligation shifted onto them later amidst a mountain of other schoolwork.
An exam scheduled by the district calendar isn't something you can just cancel or postpone on a whim unless you follow the official protocol.

Are any of my fellow FBI colleagues actually familiar with the regulations?

Because once an inspector shows up, the FBI will make sure to distance themselves from you in a heartbeat. In fact, before the inspector even arrives, they'll likely be breathing down your neck for bringing heat onto the school.

you call over a colleague to step in for you, basically asking them to keep an eye on the kids while you sort things out with a student.

By Telephone? Or via telepathy? While they are busy teaching their own classes? Am I supposed to leave a room full of tests, walk out of the classroom to find a colleague to supervise, and then come back?

It’s so clear you don't have a clue how this works, and you're doing a wonderful job confirming why people think the FBI just lives in a world of theory.

That’s usually how I handle it, too. I just stand there with the exams and won't budge until the environment is right for testing. And I'm constantly checking my watch or the clock on the wall.

I was just trying to paint a picture of the risk involved. If the students don't settle down and we don't start at a reasonable time, you're looking at complaints from parents who feel their child's precious study time was wasted. Personally, I don't want to deal with the wrath of John Does or angry parents.

That’s really just an issue of the kind of people you choose to surround yourself with, isn't it?

wanderingbadger44 said:Classic FBI mentality!
😬Officer Quote

and you run the risk of some John Doe or a parent calling for an inspection.
And honestly, they’d be within their rights to call. Imagine a kid who has spent all week studying, ready to tackle this exam today, only to have it pushed back because the schedule wasn't followed. It’s a violation of the rules. When students prepare themselves mentally for a specific moment, they can't just have that obligation shifted onto them later amidst a mountain of other schoolwork.
An exam scheduled by the district calendar isn't something you can just cancel or postpone on a whim unless you follow the official protocol.

Are any of my fellow FBI colleagues actually familiar with the regulations?

Because once an inspector shows up, the FBI will make sure to distance themselves from you in a heartbeat. In fact, before the inspector even arrives, they'll likely be breathing down your neck for bringing heat onto the school.

you call over a colleague to step in for you, basically asking them to keep an eye on the kids while you sort things out with a student.

By Telephone? Or via telepathy? While they are busy teaching their own classes? Am I supposed to leave a room full of tests, walk out of the classroom to find a colleague to supervise, and then come back?

It’s so clear you don't have a clue how this works, and you're doing a wonderful job confirming why people think the FBI just lives in a world of theory.

That’s usually how I handle it, too. I just stand there with the exams and won't budge until the environment is right for testing. And I'm constantly checking my watch or the clock on the wall.

I was just trying to paint a picture of the risk involved. If the students don't settle down and we don't start at a reasonable time, you're looking at complaints from parents who feel their child's precious study time was wasted. Personally, I don't want to deal with the wrath of John Does or angry parents.

I’ve suggested a certain way of doing things, though you only really pull it off if you can spot that someone is momentarily unguarded, perhaps because they've left a gap in their defenses or just aren't paying attention. Is it even possible to act without waiting for those little cracks to appear?

Is there any point in even bothering to look at these things anymore? kaže:
wanderingbadger44 hits on exactly what most level-headed teachers feel about school specialists—that they spend their entire lives lost in theories and burying us under mountains of useless paperwork like surveys, assessments, and impact reports, all while acting like experts on how we should be teaching despite having almost zero actual contact with the students? It’s rarely about them being bad people, but isn't it just tragic how completely out of touch and impractical they are when it comes to the reality of a modern classroom?

Aren't there supposed to be some teachers' unions out there, or have I just completely misread the landscape? If you’ve actually managed to get organized, why not start an initiative with the relevant state agencies to strip those administrative specialists out of our schools entirely, seeing as they're nothing more than useless bureaucrats drowning us in pointless busywork? Why not fight for decent working conditions while you still can?👍

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wanderingbadger44 Is there any point in even asking? Even if you hadn't explicitly said it, wouldn't we have eventually reached that conclusion anyway, just by looking at the sheer mountain of theory you've dumped on us here? Why don't you just give me a concrete example and explain how it actually aligns with the principles of the School of Life? 🙂 Why bother just theorizing when you could actually put those ideas to the test? A student walks into a scheduled exam without a pencil, and then begins this frantic, disorganized dance—begging classmates for supplies, nudging the person sitting next to him who's actually trying to work, spinning around to ask the kids behind him, tugging at the sleeves of those in front, digging through his bag and pencil case like he's looking for lost treasure. Is it really that impossible to find a single writing utensil if one actually looks? By the time three or four people have called out to him, he’s already standing up to approach one peer, just as someone else tosses a pencil from across the room and shouts for him to catch it. If you're the teacher watching this chaos unfold, what are you even supposed to do?

The whole ordeal lasts maybe a minute, at most, before he finally gets a pencil in his hand. I’m talking about those moments when a student shows up without the necessary gear—maybe they forgot their calculator, a compass, or some other tool—and instead of letting them slide, I just hand them a test to work on as best they can, provided they aren't disrupting the rest of the class. If they start acting out or bothering others, you either cut the testing short or call over a colleague to watch the room while you deal with that specific student. In those cases, you take the test away, give them the grade they would have earned based on what they actually accomplished, and then refer them to the school counselor with a clear explanation of what happened. Of course, the student's homeroom teacher needs to be kept in the loop throughout this entire process. The student receives direct feedback on how their lack of responsibility directly impacts them, their peers, and the teacher, and they learn exactly what comes next if this behavior persists—namely, formal disciplinary action and getting their parents involved. Sure, you’ll waste more time and burn more nerves, but from an educational standpoint, isn't it better than simply rewarding their negligence? It doesn't mean the child will magically become a responsible adult, given that we're all just one small factor in their development, but shouldn't we at least use the tools we have to do our part in shaping them?

wanderingbadger44 said:Me neither. 🙂 That is exactly why I keep a whole drawer full of extra pens ready for anyone who finds themselves empty-handed. I have no interest in wasting my energy on people who already have everything they need.

We shouldn't be teaching students that showing up to class without their supplies is no big deal, because that kind of attitude just sets them up for failure later on.

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This is a heartfelt message intended for everyone shaping our children's futures—from teachers and principals to parents, counselors, journalists, and school inspectors.

If someone sits there without a pen and ends up burning through their precious exam time just searching for one, asking to borrow one, or scrambling to find a solution, then honestly, that’s where I start to have a real issue. It’s like watching someone lose the race before it even starts because they weren't prepared for the basics.

I find myself wondering which path would be easier for me: simply handing him a pen, or getting caught up in an exhausting argument with the people listed above. You hit the nail right on the head. 🙂

Will he end up being an idiot? Well, that would be quite a shame. 🙂

I’ll continue this conversation assuming we aren't talking about kids from families struggling to make ends meet. In those cases, I’d certainly show a bit more empathy and tact, especially if parents are forced to choose between buying school supplies and putting food on the table.

As for everyone else, in some perfect version of reality, I could tell them straight to their faces that enabling these habits and forcing them to continue only hurts the children; it teaches them how to be irresponsible without facing consequences, yet you can't say that without being labeled a monster or some self-important, misguided academic—it’s just nonsense. My God, I don't understand the logic. We ignore basic upbringing, the passing down of values, and the guidance of these kids until they hit eighteen, and then what? Do we expect them to magically transform into mature, responsible, honest, and hardworking adults the second those candles are blown out on their eighteenth birthday? Believing in Santa Claus is more logical than that line of thinking.

At least within the school system—which, based on your description, means your specific staff, specialists, and principal—there ought to be an understanding of how harmful these practices are, along with some mutual support. Since that clearly doesn't exist in your workplace, the path of least resistance makes sense, but I have to say that such an approach toward students is just ugly; it’s obvious that the educational component is completely missing. As someone who is often targeted by informal criticism because I advocate for these standards, I can tell you plainly that it never crosses my mind to criticize my fellow teachers when there isn't a stash of twenty pencils available because the kids didn't bring their gear and the parents don't care. None of my colleagues in the counseling department or the principal would dream of making a scene either. It all seems to come down to luck, really—whether you happen to land in a faculty that possesses actual expertise and the will to apply it, or one that provides actual support for its staff when they are right, rather than just catering to certain individuals who are either incompetent or opportunistically taking the easy way out just to avoid any friction.