Posts by boldgardener93

Brian Moore67 said:So, it’s not even about Israel. Hmm...

Fine, go ahead and tell me you hate me then.😘

Roger Robinson682 said:Even if we assume the profit was somehow double that $175 billion mark, when you factor in that Americans have already sunk over $420 billion into this war, the whole theory that this was fought for oil just seems to fall apart...😲😲

So, you're suggesting Americans are actually losing money in Iraq? Come on, be real—do you seriously believe that? Like, the idea that Americans are just being their usual selfless, wonderful selves, staying in Iraq at their own massive expense just to defend democracy? I think Little Red Riding Hood is a more believable story than that.

Richard Wilson4 said:I honestly don't get how oil has anything to do with suicide bombers.
Look, they're killing themselves—and their own civilians too. They couldn't care less about oil. All they want is to wipe out anyone who's different, and Americans are just an easy excuse.👎

Just a quick question here: why was it that during the era of Saddam Hussein, those suicide bombers couldn't just get together to talk or meet face-to-face?
And honestly, who actually knows who's really behind planting those bombs and what they're actually aiming for? I guess peace definitely isn't the goal.

Kill them? Why wouldn't you be able to? I mean, sure, it’s an option!
But... someone might take that the wrong way. Maybe pick a different phrase.

Doesn't matter to me.😵 😵 😵

I mean, you’re probably just annoyed because when Ump posts something, there’s really no way to argue against it.🤣

Look, don't play dumb with me. It's pretty obvious. They went after everything in the Middle East except Iraq. But apparently, even that wasn't enough for them.

stormyscout11 said:Just imagine if Russia controlled the Middle East and used oil to blackmail Europe the same way they do with gas. Imagine how much theft and death we'd be seeing then.

I don't see the connection. Americans already pretty much control everything else anyway.

Alright, "expert," if you're really as knowledgeable as you claim, then you should probably realize that Canada is basically just a standard American satellite, so an invasion isn't even necessary. Just imagine a scenario where Canada decides to stop selling oil to the US or suddenly hikes up the prices on us. Then we'll see how much of an "expert" you actually are.
It’s honestly laughable how they blindly follow America's lead in everything. They even shifted their clocks three weeks earlier, just like the US did. And then you get these self-proclaimed geniuses coming out with their "professional" commentary.

I mean, I don't really get why everyone is acting so surprised. It’s just Umpa.😘

stormyscout11 said:If the goal of hitting Iraq is grabbing control over oil supplies, I don't see the big deal. Freedom and democracy are pretty subjective anyway, and a barrel of oil is worth exactly the same whether you're in the States, Iraq, or on Mars. Just ask yourselves: what’s the alternative? If Middle East oil were actually sold on a free market, the USA and Europe wouldn't be able to compete with China's pricing. They'd have to slash production costs—which is just code for cutting worker benefits.

Bravo!!!
So you're basically advocating for murder and theft. It's honestly wild seeing the kinds of people hanging out on this forum.👎

That’s exactly my point. Because things were relatively quiet, they had to manufacture some kind of excuse to justify an invasion and maintain an occupying presence. It’s always easier to pull things off when you stick to a "divide and conquer" strategy. Meanwhile, they’re busy pumping out oil while putting on this whole act about being the world's savior.
I guess Hitler played a similar game when he moved in on us.

So, we're really supposed to believe this is all about humanitarianism and defending democracy?

Linda Hughes88 said:It’s not that they aren't precise, it's that the entire foundation is built wrong from the ground up. Everything else is just wishful thinking on your part.

My only real wish is for Americans to tuck their tails between their legs and pull out of Iraq.
I have no clue what comes next, but what we're seeing right now is beyond horrific.
And the whole justification for the invasion was Saddam's weapons, wasn't it?

northernheron97 said:I completely agree that the invasion of Iraq was hands down one of the biggest blunders in American history, and honestly, Bush was an absolute clown of cosmic proportions; the whole neoconservative crew was just a massive collection of amateurs who were totally out of touch with how the post-Cold War world actually works, but don't you really see that the true killers in Iraq are the religious fundamentalists from both the Sunni and Shia sides?

For instance, the real killer is someone like al-Baghdadi, who declared something like nineteen new Islamic dogmas, claiming that Christians and Jews living among Muslims aren't even protected as dhimmis anymore, and that any Sunnis participating in the Iraqi government are apostates—basically marked for death right alongside the Shias.

The actual engine of this slaughter is al-Qaeda and those Sunni fundamentalists who kicked this whole bloodbath off by destroying the mosque in the Samara Desert.

And it’s the exact same story with the Shias and their various vampiric, messianic cults that preach death and chaos as a necessary precursor to the arrival of the Mahdi; their leaders are simultaneously leading special death squads for the Mahdi's army, and their worst psychopathic killer, al-Dera, is currently hiding out in Iran (which explains why even Ahmadinejad seems to believe that chaos is a prerequisite for the Mahdi's return).
The atrocities committed by the Mahdi's army have become so extreme that even Muqtada al-Sadr is starting to purge movement leaders—like Hasan Salih, the leader of the Mahdi's army in Baghdad—because they are just too deeply mired in bloodshed.

Americans essentially found themselves in a helpless situation because of their own incompetence and the sheer failure of their analysts to predict what would happen, but blaming them directly for the deaths isn't quite right—the responsibility lies with the ones doing the killing, and those killers are the Iraqis themselves, specifically the extreme Sunni and apocalyptic Shia movements.
The Americans are guilty of opening Pandora's box on a massive scale, but that is still a lesser evil compared to the darkness lurking within the extremist factions of the Iraqi people.

Fine, if everything is exactly as you claim, why was everything under control during Saddam's era (who was clearly a villain)? Don't just tell me Saddam was somehow stronger than the Americans. On the flip side, if things in Iraq were actually peaceful and settled, what reason would there be for American criminals to stay there? You know the drill: divide and conquer, or more specifically, pump the oil.

Linda Hughes88 said:That source you found is top-tier, and honestly, the math behind it is even better... plus, that comment is just absolute gold!

Glad you're on the same page.😬
The exact numbers don't even have to be perfect; the big picture has been obvious for a long time now. I guess some people just need it spelled out for them, but what can you really do?

If you actually take President Bush at his word when he claims Iraqi oil exports fluctuate between 1.5 and 2.7 million barrels a day, then based on current dollar prices per barrel, it would look like the USA and the United Kingdom ...

... but the reality is that three or four major multinationals overseeing those Iraqi oil exports have raked in nearly $300 billion over the last four years. That’s basically double what American and British taxpayers have poured into this bloody mess in Iraq.

The cost? 130,000 dead Iraqi citizens, half a million people suffering premature deaths from the horrors of war and poisoning, and 3,500 dead soldiers.

http://www.bljesak.info/modules.php?...icle&sid=43218

And then someone has the nerve to ask me who the bigger criminal is, Bush or Saddam.👎

And here I was, thinking bin Laden was the big bad terrorist responsible for everything.🤣

Elvis is alive! And so is Bruce Lee!
I think this thread should probably be moved over to the fairy tales subforum.🤣

northernheron97 said:The whole situation is a complete mess, and what’s truly frustrating is that when you talk to Russians, about 90% of them support Putin simply because they want Russia to appear "strong" and able to stand up to the USA—they couldn't care less about democracy. In their entire thousand-year history, they've probably only experienced true democracy for maybe two or three years total, appearing and disappearing just as quickly.
The Russians themselves are just unfortunate; they don't seem to realize the kind of country they're living in, though as individuals, they are wonderful people. I actually find myself liking Russians more than Westerners sometimes.

I completely agree. I think Russians are pretty likable, but they can be way too patriotic at times, failing to see how Putin is basically playing them like a fiddle.

Look, Russia is just a nightmare. As much as I might have issues with the USA, I think things would be a hell of a lot worse if Russians were the only superpower on the planet—but I guess you aren't even allowed to say that out loud anymore.
It’s just bleak.