Fuck Dana White: negotiations, contracts, coke, and hookers
in Martial Arts & Combat Sports ·
Noah Roberts46 said:I don't know, man... I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Like, is there actually a difference between grinding out a 9-to-5 and being a pro fighter in the cage? Maybe I'm overthinking it, but I guess they're kind of the same thing. You show up every single day, right? Even when you don't want to. Even when your body feels like trash or your boss is being a total nightmare. It’s that same grind. You go into the office—or the gym, whatever—and you just put your head down and deal with it. It's all about showing up when things suck. And the pressure? Man, that's real. Whether you're staring down a guy like Mike Tyson in the octagon or you're sitting in a high-stakes meeting at Goldman Sachs trying not to mess up a huge presentation... it's that same feeling in your gut. That "don't screw this up" sensation. I guess it really just comes down to discipline. You can't just decide to be great on Tuesdays. You gotta do the boring, repetitive stuff every single day if you want to actually get somewhere. It's pretty heavy when you think about it, I guess. Just life, you know? 🥱
Look, I didn't say it was easy. Far from it. It’s grueling work—lots of sacrifices and honestly, just straight-up bleeding. But at the end of the day, every fighter chose this path on their own. Nobody held a gun to anyone's head and forced them into the cage. Just because you make a living getting punched in the face doesn't mean you automatically deserve a massive payday.
Noah Roberts46 said:So, you sign that shitty exclusive contract at the start because, let's be real, there isn't really any other choice. Once you make it, you're basically stuck fighting under those same terms for your next few bouts. If you aren't feeling it? Lol, like, go join another organization then? I guess... but look, even Georges St-Pierre has been retired for five years and he's still sidelined. Whatever, man. You deserve way more than that.
Nobody signs those long-term deals right out of the gate because, let's be real, the UFC isn't exactly handing out massive paychecks to the newcomers. I guess you could call them "rookie contracts" at a decent amount, but most fighters end up walking away from the money since they don't really bring enough heat or quality to the cage. I remember Rosholt—that guy had like a 7-2 record, but after he lost to Nelson, he basically got the boot because he was just boring as hell and the brass wasn't making any money off him. After that first contract is up, a ton of guys go all in too fast and screw themselves, but honestly, that's on them. bluemason3 actually made a good point earlier: it’s on the fighters to make sure they don't sign away too many fights at once. And if GSP really did sign some stupid deal with the UFC, then man, what was he thinking? That's why you hire lawyers, you know? There's no way he signed something like that when he first joined the roster. Like I said, you only get what you're willing to fight for.
Noah Roberts46 said:Man, look at the NBA... every single sport has exploded lately. Player salaries are through the roof, whether you're talking soccer, boxing, or just any major global sport. It’s crazy how much money is flowing in. But UFC? I swear, nobody can actually explain to me why that hasn't happened yet. Like, okay, maybe WWE counts, but we're talking about actual sports here, right? 🤦
There’s honestly nothing to explain here. You’re starting from a totally flawed premise—basically thinking that just because other sports evolved a certain way, the UFC has to follow suit (not that the UFC is even a sport, it's an organization, let's be real). I mean, who cares how things went down in soccer or boxing or whatever? It shouldn't matter. The UFC isn't obligated to give fighters anything more than what was actually agreed upon in their contracts. If fighters aren't happy with how things are right now, it's not like they don't have options. They can just walk away when their deals are up, or maybe, I don't know, they could act like NBA players and start a union to fight for better rights and a "fairer" split of the money.
I mean, the WWE thing was just mentioned because the UFC uses that kind of business model, and honestly? If you're a great entertainer, you'll probably make way more money doing scripted matches than actual fights. Like, ten mil a year beats five mil, right? Not to mention how much less blood you have to spill to get paid. Actually, I guess five mil from wrestling might even be better than ten from real fights if you really think about it.😁
Noah Roberts46 said:Look, let's not beat around the bush, we'll just have to wait and see how long this lasts. Even now, their biggest stars aren't fighting nearly as much. I mean, Franjo does one fight against Tyson Fury and he's already made more than he would in his next five fights in the UFC, so we'll just see what happens with everyone else.
Look, fighters aren't gonna fight more if they're getting paid more, especially the top guys. It’s actually gonna be the exact opposite. These people don't fight because they love getting treated like a punching bag, it's all about the money. The more cash they pull from a single fight, the less they have to compete. The big names make the most dough, so naturally, they don't need to step into the ring 3 or 4 times a year—and if they got even more money, they'd fight even less if that's even possible. I mean, why grind through 25 fights in a career when you can do 10 for the same amount of cash? As for Francis Ngannou and boxing... man, I have no clue where people get the idea that Francis is an interesting matchup for Tyson Fury. He could probably make way more fighting Usyk or Joshua. Knowing how boxing contracts work, he'd definitely land four fights there. A fight against Whyte would probably bring him more money than a fight with Francis. And Francis isn't Conor McGregor, who—besides being a solid fighter—was loud, controversial, and hated... basically everything you need to sell a ton of PPVs.