I already listed them over in the alternative medicine thread 😉
Anything that opens a person up to the world and brings them back into balance—trying to figure out what makes a human whole, specifically how our inner and outer worlds connect. Things like Yoga, being active (not just sitting there meditating!), dance therapy, or sports... maybe running through the woods or along a river. It’s about letting those physical impulses out. Dealing with other people won't fix your psyche, though; you have to take care of that yourself. The goal is to make someone feel like life—the world out there—is actually beautiful and worth living, despite everything we've been through. Standing on your own two feet in the real world... that's the foundation.
Psychedelics for mental health treatment? Are you insane!? Not in a million years... Someone who is already struggling mentally gets handed some numbing agent, or just one more burden to carry—addiction! All these psychotropic drugs are basically just brain rape. Sure, go ahead. It helps people stay a walking corpse, but actually heal?
Schizophrenia is just losing your grip on both your internal and external reality.
A split personality, sure, but Sophia Johnson43, what exactly is splitting? There has to be something there, some "constituent parts"... where does it all stem from? Be consistent and look past the symptoms. Maybe follow it all the way back to some dark root cause?
Yeah, it’s about those chaotic psychological forces breaking loose and seizing control of the conscious mind. The trigger is unknown; it depends on a mix of individual internal and external factors.
But there are known methods for balancing and harmonizing the psyche, and in my opinion, chemical substances definitely aren't one of them.
but most people find it incredibly uncomfortable to even ask themselves the hard questions. It means going against their own ego, or facing those toxic energies that hurt them—realizing what’s actually there. And let's face it, nothing stays hidden inside us without a reason 😉 what I mean is, nobody wants to confront their own dark side unless they're forced to. That's where the pain comes in, acting as that constant, driving force...
haha yeah, look, it isn't some heavy-handed spiritual manifesto or anything typical like that, and that’s exactly why it works. The guy who wrote it was just... different. Back in the 50s, he was diving deep into Buddhist concepts, trying to wrap his head around them and make them make sense. But honestly, he had already found his own clarity. The greatest.👍
But how can you be sure you don't want anything else? We can only think we know that consciously... but who knows what's lurking in the subconscious?
Solaris 🙂 🙂 I see you're trying to find a direction with these questions. It works for me. Just keep going.
When you have no desires, you just know. You don't even feel the need to tell anyone. And once you know that, you start seeing everything else clearly. That kind of knowledge comes from within. See, there's a difference between desires being a way to cling to external things at a lower level of consciousness, and then there's an action performed on a much higher, broader plane... if you know what I mean. You have to reach that level first. Once you truly have no more desires, then you really know. Because then, you're enlightened.
Not sure if you've read the Beat Generation by Jack Kerouac. Just finished it myself. It deals heavily with desire and the Buddha—that sense of feeling Unity within yourself. Highly recommend it. A warm book, full of reflections on human longing and prayers for all living beings through meditation and nature... huh.
There’s a massive difference between lacking desire and simply choosing not to have it. Wanting things... that's perfectly fine. 😉
p.s. If someone truly has no desires left, they’ve finally broken free from the karmic cycle. (So don't mess around with that—you might just find yourself drifting off this planet entirely.)
But here's the thing: desire doesn't live in our conscious mind. You can't just "decide" to stop wanting things. Karma builds up in the subconscious, where impulses brew by mixing our internal drives with external influences. These desires always seek expression—which is really just a way of self-destructing through fulfillment. As long as you're still tethered to the world around you, those desires will stay. (One last thought for the observant ones: the idea of a desire being "fulfilled" is actually nonsense. Fulfillment is its own kind of destruction. So, if that's the case, what is desire actually trying to tell us?...)
Larry Gonzalez11 said:hehe... got it.... it's from the Rockers hi-fi DJ Kicks... anyway, Lida Husik is killer.... i have everything, everything, everything, everything, everything, everything..............
come on, share something! don't be selfish!
new Tosca drops this March! includes Earl Zinger too, but his dirty style doesn't really fit something that sounds this polished... he's more for those raw, jazzy vibes. looks like it'll be a 2-CD set, one standard, one with deep piano tracks. Earl Zinger and the crew will be at the Fillmore on March 15th for the "Delhi 9" album release...
Look, dream... you act like certain psychological aspects are still a mystery. Some 20th-century philosophical schools basically pointed out that people gravitate toward specific philosophies based on who they are. Character. Psyche. So even the act of choosing is rooted in the mind itself... On a psychological level, there’s really no distinction between philosophy and religion. Just think about it. And let Nietzsche help you out.
Dream said:Whether you're descending or ascending, if you aren't at the end of the road, a struggle is waiting for you. Nietzsche talked about this struggle... He didn't even try to hide that he fought it alone. He wasn't aiming to be a psychologist, but a philosopher—he makes that clear in Beyond Good and Evil. Psychology grew out of philosophy. Philosophy, much like literature (which isn't the point here, but I mention it because Nietzsche had such a massive impact on postmodern literature), is far older than psychology. It takes years upon years before psychology can even begin to catch up. If it ever does...??? From Maslow to transpersonal psychology, everyone is trying to find that connection—but it feels incredibly unconvincing and statistically almost invisible. I respect everyone's opinion, but you really need to read Nietzsche before you try to attribute anything to him.
Exactly. Struggle isn't just something he talked about; his entire body of work—Zarathustra, specifically—is an embodiment of that fight. Nietzsche searches for the Superman to face those depths that haunt him (and anyone else who actually bothers to look into their own psyche; reactions vary, of course), but who is he looking for? Someone from the future? No, he's looking for himself. It's pure survival instinct facing the massive weight of chaotic psychic forces. But that path, the one he demands, clearly didn't work for him... (If I were being cynical, I'd call it escapism in this context.) His teachings aren't some rigid, formal, closed system because they "base" themselves—or rather, they tremble upon—the irrationality of the psyche. The prelude to a future philosophy is precisely that: the psyche and its irrational foundations.
-> Sure, Western philosophy might be older than psychology as a scientific discipline, but the human psyche is older than any philosophy. The fact that it wasn't discovered, recognized, or developed in the West earlier just speaks to how little we understood ourselves in the Western sphere of humanity. Since we're talking timelines, there are philosophies thousands of years older than Ancient Greece, and psychologies that evolved alongside them. Modern Western psychology is just a tiny fragment of all that knowledge (especially since "modern" psychology has only been around for maybe a hundred years...) People just need to look around and open themselves up. Statements like "psychology will catch up to philosophy" are totally misguided and narrow-minded when you realize that, for example, Patanjali's brilliant psychological and philosophical work, the Yoga Sutras, emerged around the start of the common era, roughly 500 BCE or so. And it's available to anyone with even a shred of privilege compared to most of humanity.
It would take too long to comment on other claims like "statistically unconvincing" or bringing up Maslow. Feel free to DM me if you want to dive into that...
Of course Nietzsche had depth and wisdom. The external context is obvious, sure, but the internal one is really just a call for self-healing—projecting inward. It’s the struggle of trying to break out of your own cage. He was at his strongest when he was just expressing that raw feeling... a truly tortured soul. I’ll never deny his lyricism or his soulfulness, but that’s exactly why his philosophy is so bogged down by subjective tension and extremes. To me, it feels like a pretty unconstructive way to describe the world, especially since he's acting like a philosopher rather than a psychologist, assuming his own internal state applies to everyone else. In reality, most of it is just his psyche. He descended into depths that most people never even touch; and because he went there unprepared, he ended up merging with those primal forces of nature, much like what happened to him. When that happens... well, that's an individual issue.
Just a bit of a psychological take. Don't hold it against me if I'm right about psychology conditioning every single individual philosophy.
placidorca16, you want to explain what I'm even reading here? please... my humility and my sensitivity aren't really the point of this thread. if you actually have a question, try asking it differently.
Blue Eyes said:Nonsense... that's just a surface-level reading. You're interpreting Nietzsche at a Hitler level...🙄
If anything here is superficial, it's your comment. No actual arguments. My take is based on psychological perspectives... I don't see how Hitler even fits into this..!? You feeling okay when you typed that?
As far as I can tell, Nietzsche was seriously ill—neuroses, psychoses, eventually total madness—so you shouldn't really take him all that seriously 😉 In any case, his philosophy can be quite easily explained through psychology...
He’ll always have his target audience, though. Most people drawn to him are just as unstable as he was (in their own way)... you know the story 😉
Mickey, yeah, they've got it, but then there's "Lambchop," which I actually dig... though Facebook feels a bit too much like acoustic country for me... as long as it stays in that "Lambchop" lane, it's fine.
their music has so much soul. just a certain feeling... it's not like they're just doing covers of Mayfield
Facebook is basically country music at this point!
Listening to A Painful End on a Discman is just torture because of all the distortion.
Anyway, Yo La Tengo exists in a league of their own... I haven't gotten around to this soundtrack yet, just haven't had the headspace... but what they play... it's the best. They go from these incredibly atmospheric, smooth tracks to these melodic crashes, man... like that one louder track on the last album... "In the Middle"... pure perfection. It feels connected to the spirit of jazz, but it isn't jazz... more like alchemy. They take human warmth and turn it into sound, then flip it back again.
For me, I Can Hear a Heart Beating as One is right up there too... try to squeeze... drop of blood... from a sugarcube; Sugarcube is easily one of my all-time favorite simple, beautiful tracks.