Posts by steelharbor9

Man, you totally won me over with how constructive you were, so I guess I just went ahead and subscribed to the thread ☕

On's traveling. I guess thanks to all those nerds, I can keep an eye on things through Tap ☕

Keith Miller30 said:Kolinda has stepped into the presidency, and it looks like restlesssurfer9 is finally being constructive.

Carlamarko.

restlesssurfer97 said:Does anyone happen to have any intel on whether Milanovic is up yet?

I guess Sincica is busy plotting how to stop the Republican Party from totally overshadowing Josipovic☕

Keith Miller30 said:In theory, if science were to provide proof of God, I think I would find it rather disappointing; though, honestly, I don't believe such proof is even necessary, given that faith is fundamentally about belief. Wouldn't it be a bit disheartening to discover that God is something so elementary that it could be captured by the scientific method? I have always felt that God exists far beyond those bounds, so if some are able to grasp that mystery, then so be it.

But that’s basically how God is defined, which is what I’ve been saying this whole time, though I guess some people just don't get it.

Robin Fox2 said:If you happen to be in political science or philosophy, you should definitely send them there...

Haha. Well, I'm actually in theology ☕

(It's basically just heavy-duty math. No social sciences involved, I guess ☕ )

restlesssurfer97 said:Oh, for sure. 👍

That’s just your go-to move whenever you run out of actual things to say, right? I guess you just skip the arguments entirely to try and act like your opinion is somehow on a higher level than everyone else's. Well done, really!

Alright, I'm heading out! I’m off to college to try and soak up some wisdom from those silly scientists—though who knows if it'll actually stick? Maybe I'll end up sending them over to Offside Chat so they can finally learn a thing or two. Wish me luck!

Keith Miller30 said:I need to interrupt you all for just a moment. With the elections happening yesterday, I completely lost track of time, but I just realized that the greatest athlete of all time has officially hit his 1,000th victory. Doesn't he deserve a standing ovation from everyone here for a man who is practically the closest thing to a god in the world of sports? ☕

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restlesssurfer97 said:I’ll take my subtle biases over your blatant discrimination against believers any day, especially when you hide behind that fake "I don't have a problem with them, everyone should just believe whatever they want" act.

The hypocrisy here is honestly enough to make your eyes bleed, man. It’s just blindingly obvious at this point. And don't even get me started on how many of you are sitting there with hearts absolutely aching to jump on the bandwagon, just waiting for the chance to pretend you actually believe what you're saying.

See, there you go twisting things again. I guess I'm not really hiding behind anything, and I definitely don't think anyone is less valuable just because of what they believe.

I don't have a problem with religious people at all, and honestly, I couldn't care less who believes in what. It's just that I think religion itself is a pretty silly concept. Like, the religion part, not the people who find it meaningful.

restlesssurfer97 said:It feels just as bizarre when you think about it, doesn't it?
The only real difference is that one is just a fairy tale kept alive by religious fanatics, while the other is an actual scientific theory built on solid foundations.

🤣😂

Yeah. But, I don't know, screw the scientists. restlesssurfer9 is right here at his keyboard to break things down for us.

restlesssurfer97 said:Or maybe it’s just the fact that two total nerds, sitting in some stinky garage with nothing but a single dim lightbulb, somehow managed to build the whole world where you and I can sit here and chat on a forum today?

I don't know, I guess the only sad part here is how you're subtly discriminating against those nerds. For them, at least, we don't have any doubts about the accuracy of the "price."🤷

Robin Fox2 said:It is actually quite interesting when you look at it. What evidence do we truly have that any of it exists? Perhaps a few saints who miraculously healed someone, though even that is debatable—and if they did, was it really God, or were they just exceptionally skilled healers?...

Miraculous healing isn't exactly solid proof. It’s not real evidence at all—I mean, true evidence should be unquestionable, right? Like, it shouldn't leave any holes or room for different interpretations. Maybe it's enough to just point to a reasonable intuition that medicine (which is science, after all) will eventually find a valid explanation for that "miracle."

And all those theories I was mentioning? They're basically all the same. If you have some free time, you should totally Google Russell's teapot (Russell's teapot).

I guess it just feels a little more heavyhearted to think about how those literal stone tablets—you know, the actual foundation of the faith—were handed down by an old man who was talking to a burning bush.

restlesssurfer97 said:KBKK?

The odds of any of our theories actually playing out are, if you notice, pretty much identical because we're talking about the same fundamental thing here, something that just doesn't have anything to do with scientific data.

Sadly, I’m just not seeing it.

Which part specifically? I mean, why would the Christian theory of God be any more valid than my own theory of God? I guess being stuck thinking "inside the box" is just such a common issue in these kinds of debates.

Missing obvious logical points seems to be becoming a bit of a habit for you! ☕

Btw, I'm a huge believer that Anderlon is going to pay for a better server soon, so maybe this forum won't be so slow anymore.

restlesssurfer97 said:I’m leaving the door open for the possibility that science might eventually advance enough to actually prove whether God exists or not.

I'm not making any hard claims here. Unlike you. And honestly, that's the whole difference.

Okay, so what if I said I was leaving the door open for science to eventually prove that a giant floppy-eared rabbit wearing a Real Madrid jersey is actually God?

The odds of any of our theories actually coming true are basically the same, if you ask me, because we're talking about the same thing—something that just doesn't have anything to do with actual science.

restlesssurfer97 said:Nope.

And what about the other half of this post?

Oh, and you totally mentioned having broad views, whereas I guess mine are pretty narrow since I'm certain science just can't prove the existence of God.

restlesssurfer97 said:So, you're basically telling me you're leaving the door cracked open just a little bit, like maybe God actually does exist after all?

I mean, I’ve never really ruled it out! For everything where I don't have hard proof, I just leave the possibility on the table, I guess. It’s up to me to weigh things out for myself, right?

I'm definitely ruling out the idea that God's existence could be proven through science. That’s just impossible—and I think I've already explained why three different times now (even if you argued the opposite a few posts back!). But, honestly, if such a proof were possible, it would be kind of ironic... it might actually kill off the concept of God for believers. I mean, faith wouldn't really be "faith" anymore, would it? It would either be a fact or it wouldn't, and then the whole point of believing would just vanish.

Robin Fox2 said:I honestly believe Islam is just inherently flawed as a religion; at its core, it spreads through force, having conquered 90% of its territory by the sword... When something is built on such a foundation, you can't just reform it into something better, which is the uncomfortable truth people tend to avoid saying, but whatever...

What really grinds my gears is the hypocrisy within Western liberal circles—they won't say a word when Scientology is making a fool of everyone, yet they'll jump to defend Islam in a heartbeat, purely because of the voting power...

Then again, I realize I don't actually care, since I live in a relatively homogeneous country, and if everything goes to hell, I'll just pack up and move to the States...

Honestly, Christianity is pretty much the same crap. In the Bible, they're killing people left and right, going on Crusades to spread the faith, and forcibly converting entire nations. It's kind of the same deal, I guess.

brightpilot6 said:Right, because Christianity was spread by flocks of white doves scattering olive branches and droplets of holy water across the globe, wasn't it? ☕

Or yeah, exactly that.

restlesssurfer97 said:I mean, who are you actually trying to convince here? Sorry, but you’d need to be way, way more persuasive if you actually wanted to pull that off.

Anyway, the bottom line is this: we don't know what it is, we can't prove it, so therefore it doesn't exist.

It's giving major religious fanatic vibes from the 15th century. 😂

Whose conclusion is that, anyway? Yours?

I guess it doesn't exist. I'm not claiming anything, though—I don't have any proof.

Man, I really hope you're just trolling.

Keith Miller30 said:If we connect this back to that recent marriage referendum here in the States—do you really think there are 946,433 religious fanatics living in America?

I was actually debating whether I needed to include a disclaimer about courtroom logic, but I figured, nah, I don't need that. Turns out, I was wrong.

If being a religious fanatic implies that you're bothered by same-sex marriages, that doesn't mean that "being bothered by same-sex marriages" automatically makes you a "fanatic."

Or, to put it simpler, if it's raining, the street is wet. But just because the street is wet, it doesn't necessarily mean it's raining. Maybe a fire hydrant burst or something. I guess!

Robin Fox2 said:I’m not suggesting science holds all the answers. We can tackle the simple stuff, certainly, but when it comes to the truly vital questions, we’re still wandering in the dark. Perhaps somewhere out there, someone actually is watching us, looking down and thinking, "you guys really blew it; this isn't at all what I had in mind when I designed you"...

And let’s be clear, no single theory regarding the origin of everything is set in stone. Nobody actually knows what transpired; we just have our most educated guesses about how it all went down, but certainty? Hardly. If we were truly certain—as certain as we are of the chemical composition of water—we wouldn't be having these debates in the first place 😁 I am perhaps the least religious person on the planet, and I would gladly structure my entire existence around scientific principles, but being told "it just appeared" feels just as hollow as hearing "God got bored and decided to create everything."

I totally agree with all of that.

brightpilot6 said:I place my absolute, unwavering faith in nothing but Florentina, Christian, and Carl.

And Birindellija.