Basically, countries like Italy, Spain, France, and the UK all show pretty much the same mortality rate relative to total cases.
But like we said before, once the dust settles and we have the final numbers, we can actually have a real discussion.
It isn't "fake news," nor is it chaos. If people just follow the guidelines to let this first wave pass—giving medical staff a chance to breathe, slowing the spread so people can recover naturally without overwhelming the hospitals—then everything should be fine.
The virus will stick around until a vaccine is found, obviously, but the goal right now is to slow down the spread and gradually ease things up, hoping they find a cure or at least something to speed up recovery if a vaccine isn't ready. We definitely won't be back to normal in two or three months, and there might even be occasional lockdowns for those who haven't caught it yet, but we'll certainly have a much clearer picture of the whole situation by then...
Here’s the link for you, though it works just fine for me on Reddit. Maybe explain to him that he wasn't actually sick, especially since nobody under 60+ gets those symptoms anyway... plus, if he really saw the average age on the ward was around 40 with young people on ventilators, then he's clearly lying. You know the truth better than anyone ☕
There's some pretty interesting stuff floating around regarding White Sands and Camarillo if you want to take a look. Not sure if sharing it via a link actually works like this...
And here we go again with The North American Job, where some guy is actually doing a decent job by global standards (which, for us, means he's basically a 🤮 god-tier genius)...
But instead of just letting things be normal, people take the absolute bare minimum required for a cabinet minister and start treating him like some kind of superhero, writing songs about him and elevating him to legend status... it honestly makes me want to vomit.
Look, I think the guy is charming—you can't really hate a guy named Willie Nelson 🤣—but after all this nonsense, he's starting to get on my nerves. Just let the man do his job; he’s doing it well, and that should be enough. He does exactly what he's supposed to do, nothing groundbreaking or revolutionary, though I suppose even that is an achievement coming from the Republican Party talent pool when you consider someone like Kujudzic... but still. God, we are such a petty, superficial nation.
Everyone mocks Vucic, but who actually has the time to pay attention to him? Meanwhile, we're obsessed with Luka Bulic. Seriously, Luka Bulic is somehow more insufferable than Vucic himself, and we have plenty of types like him to go around.
Every single day, the headlines are the same: Ella Dvornik, Ella Dvornik's husband, Ella Dvornik isn't breastfeeding, Ella Dvornik wrote a song, Britney Spears posted a video of herself ringing Milan in New York City, Britney Spears can't see her son.
Jessica Gonzalez said:Not quite. That number usually refers to more severe cases; depending on the year, maybe 3 to 5 million people develop serious complications from the flu, leading to roughly half a million deaths. As for infections, it's estimated that about 9% of the global population gets it every year. That would be around 700 million people, and in some years, it might even exceed a billion.
Fair enough, thanks for the correction. That number did seem a bit low...
ruggedjackal46 said:Things are actually falling apart in Sweden now, so I guess we're pivoting our attention to Belarus instead.☕
But hey, they’re actually getting stuff done. It’s not like they’re banning people from hanging out or anything... It's all about the economyyyyyyy, creating jobs, layoffs...
Every year, the flu kills somewhere between 300,000 and 600,000 people in the States, mostly concentrated between October and March. So, looking at those five months, we’ve already hit about 100,000 deaths from COVID-19, and mind you, we still don't know the outcome for about 60% of those cases. If this current trajectory holds, we could easily end up doubling the usual flu death toll... especially since the flu typically infects around 5 million people annually.
🙂 🙂 Mortality rates are actually lower than the flu! Imagine how much worse this would be if there weren't global lockdowns in place right now...
Are we talking about that procession from last night? From what I can tell, they limited it to 17 people and everyone kept a decent distance from one another.
The real issue is that nobody seems to grasp what these gathering guidelines actually mean—not even the Police or the CDC. A friend sent me a photo from a park in Berlin, and honestly, it looks just as packed as Central Park on a Sunday afternoon.
The police showed up and checked to see if the groups on the blankets were from the same household; if they were, everything was fine. Everyone was spread out several feet apart across the parks on their blankets. No one was making a scene about it, so it’s pretty straightforward: if you're outside, just stick with your household and keep your distance from others. As simple as that.
Back home, it's like two trenches facing off where everyone's just attacking each other without any compromise. You've got people who don't get that hanging out with friends isn't okay, and then you've got the Police who don't seem to realize that socializing at a distance is perfectly fine.
The procession itself isn't the problem, provided everyone follows the rules. Just maintain distance and keep the group size small.
Laura Chavez93 said:My point is—after being stuck indoors for so long—there’s going to be a massive surge in people just wanting to get away... we really need to go all out with our marketing for the summer season, especially since hardly anyone will be choosing to visit Italy or Spain when they'll have much more pressing matters to deal with than tourism, which is how we redirect those travelers right here... that's what I'm getting at...
Oh, they'll want to go, but with what money and when? Think about it—someone’s going to take two months of unemployment and then be told they can only take vacation in July... if they're lucky enough to still have a job. And the people who already got laid off? They aren't exactly booking flights.
I saw an interview with some guy, I think he's an Amer who runs a news site and an agency, and his survey showed that maybe 50% of people who originally planned to travel decided they just aren't going anywhere this year. That's a massive chunk of the market.
People just won't travel this year, whether it's because they're scared, broke, or simply can't get the time off work. Tourism will happen, sure, but it won't look like it used to...
Anthony Jackson2 said:It’s funny how you just brushed off everything else—just to keep pushing this mindless nonsense of yours.
If I didn't know any better, I'd think you were just trolling.☕
And you, just rambling on like usual... What does wandering off have to do with anything? And where exactly did I bring that up for you to respond like that... You completely missed the mark, and honestly, I should have just ignored you... since you're clearly just spinning.
I was talking about those people who refuse to socially distance because they can't stand being stuck in quarantine... they complain about everything under the sun, yet suddenly they have no problem acting recklessly and infecting forty senior citizens in the process. I never explicitly said that’s exactly what happened, but honestly, it’s not like it couldn't have gone down that way...
I wonder if you can actually process this... Imagine if White Powder worked at a nursing home. Everything would just get on his nerves because he thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room. He’d brush off some minor flu like it’s nothing, head out to hit up a BBQ with a buddy, maybe deal with a girl who works the counter at the local USPS, and then—since he’s clearly the genius who knows everything and fears absolutely nothing—he’d just stroll into work and tell everyone to screw off because, honestly, those old folks were going to kick the bucket anyway...
Look, I’m going to circle back here, but hopefully you finally see what I meant by my previous post and why your response missed the mark entirely. I’m assuming you don't spend much time around elderly people, but if you do, you really ought to be careful... because if you take this stuff too lightly, you could end up cutting someone's life short.
Jessica Gonzalez said:I mentioned I was exaggerating, but your answer isn't really what I'm looking for. In fact, it’s kind of the opposite. Those tests are pretty cheap, and when things are inexpensive, they can definitely be inaccurate. Is there a chance that the test might accidentally detect other coronaviruses that almost everyone picks up when they have a common cold?
That’s exactly why those cheap rapid tests haven't become the standard; everyone pretty much agrees they aren't reliable enough. We're still sticking to the old-school methods at the local medical labs. But honestly, asking if a cheap test can mess up is like asking if a pregnancy test could fail—of course it can. You get discrepancies in both positive and negative results.
If you're hinting at those cheap rapid kits companies are trying to mass-produce right now—you know, the "find out if you have Coronavirus at home in 20 minutes" type of thing—then yeah. Didn't someone mention that testing costs the government about $130 per person? Someone posted that somewhere, maybe they'll chime in.
Jessica Gonzalez said:I'll take it a step further. What if this virus doesn't even exist? All we know is that certain tests tell us whether we're positive or negative for it. But who is actually making these tests, what exactly are they measuring, and what do they truly prove?
I realize I might be oversimplifying things, but since we have some Doctors here, maybe they could shed some light on this. My main question is how such an affordable test can pinpoint this specific Coronavirus instead of something similar? There are millions of virus types out there in nature. How can a test be 100% sure it's specifically this one? If anyone has some details, please share; I suppose we have plenty of time to read up and discuss it.
Are you being serious right now, or are you just trolling...? 🤷
If the genetic sample matches the virus, you're positive—it’s just basic science, same as any other virus out there. Every single virus carries its own unique genetic code, which is exactly why they have to pull massive amounts of samples just to map it out so they can actually build a test in the first place... but honestly, I think you're just trolling. 🤣
There is zero point in debating this here; conspiracy theorists are convinced the Coronavirus is just some plot by the Republican Party, Beros, and Markotic to install a dictatorship in America (? Wtf).
When you point out that the most successful countries are actually handling things with much stricter isolation, they go silent. They advocate for things without having the slightest clue what they want or how to achieve it—they’re just talking trash. If it were Dust, he’d probably be trying to enforce lockdowns and similar nonsense within the first month, but since he clearly hasn't even hit 15 years old yet, you can't really blame him for being an idiot. But I’ve already commented on that Homo Balkanikus type who acts as the Coach, Doctor, and Seismologist all at once whenever the situation calls for it.
While those who are actually winning this fight are disciplined, aware of the stakes, and follow the rules without needing anyone to tell them what to do... if you compare the number of quarantine violations per capita across different countries, I’m certain Homo Balkanikus would be leading the pack.
When they claim the virus is harmless and it’s all just some globalist conspiracy, they clearly haven't a clue. Offer to help someone who is infected and unable to move, since everything is supposedly "harmless," and they vanish instantly, always ready with a convenient excuse. It's obvious they're just talking crap for the sake of talking crap.
Naturally, if you stay rational and stick to scientific facts and common sense, they’ll tell you that you have no idea what you're talking about and that the scientific community is clueless too. Even though, in some other thread, they'll suddenly start pulling scientific facts out of thin air.
It’s time to drop this topic; let Dust and Sportivo take over the reins with their posts.
P.S. Speaking of phone tracking, notice how Austrians voluntarily download the App that tracks their contacts so they can react if an outbreak occurs. AT&T released info regarding people (anonymously) who were in contact and with how many others; I think several other countries practice voluntary App downloads too. I’m just curious how many times that App would actually be downloaded in a country in the Hilly North America.