northernbison63 said:No, no—Verizon isn't saying private property and the rule of law are crimes, it's northernbison63 who's claiming capitalism equals crime.
And while we're on the subject, what's the actual point of the rule of law if the guy who used "original capital accumulation" to rig the game gets way more say over those laws than the person who had their "accumulation" stripped away? "Rule of law" is just a fancy little phrase people use to mask the rule of big capital. It's a joke.
And seriously, what kind of "private property" are we talking about when one single person owns, I don't know, half the farmland in the entire country?
Quincy:| without private property, there's absolutely no incentive for work or innovation. |
Sure! And then some "lazy masses" have to use a Space Shuttle to drag a "privately innovative" Space Shuttle into orbit.
God, I bet the definition of incentive for hard work and innovation is a hell of a lot more complicated than just "owning stuff." Look at how motivated the Japanese are to work—it’s a completely different vibe than what you see in the US. Plus, the Japanese social system is built on totally different foundations than the American one.
Quincy:| everything you create or invent would belong equally to everyone. |
Who does the invention of fire belong to?
Quincy:| the inefficiency of such a system has been so clearly demonstrated in every society that tried it. |
Oh, so the "efficiency" of capitalism is shown by—the total destruction of the planet we're seeing right now? Is that it?
How is it that this "efficient capitalism" hasn't managed to even teach its own population how to read or write in 200 years, while "inefficient communism" pretty much pulled that off in 20? Makes sense, right? Not.
Efficiency without a plan... doesn't that sound suspiciously like the legendary, undisputed efficiency of Auschwitz? What's going to happen to most of the Earth at this rate?
Look, capitalism isn't anything other than just plain old private property.
And honestly, if you aren't a fan of recognizing private property rights, then I really hope you don't have a problem with the government seizing your stuff and handing it out to whoever they deem needy.
northernbison63 said:No, no—Verizon isn't saying private property and the rule of law are crimes, it's northernbison63 who's claiming capitalism equals crime.
And while we're on the subject, what's the actual point of the rule of law if the guy who used "original capital accumulation" to rig the game gets way more say over those laws than the person who had their "accumulation" stripped away? "Rule of law" is just a fancy little phrase people use to mask the rule of big capital. It's a joke.
And seriously, what kind of "private property" are we talking about when one single person owns, I don't know, half the farmland in the entire country?
Quincy:| without private property, there's absolutely no incentive for work or innovation. |
Sure! And then some "lazy masses" have to use a Space Shuttle to drag a "privately innovative" Space Shuttle into orbit.
God, I bet the definition of incentive for hard work and innovation is a hell of a lot more complicated than just "owning stuff." Look at how motivated the Japanese are to work—it’s a completely different vibe than what you see in the US. Plus, the Japanese social system is built on totally different foundations than the American one.
Quincy:| everything you create or invent would belong equally to everyone. |
Who does the invention of fire belong to?
Quincy:| the inefficiency of such a system has been so clearly demonstrated in every society that tried it. |
Oh, so the "efficiency" of capitalism is shown by—the total destruction of the planet we're seeing right now? Is that it?
How is it that this "efficient capitalism" hasn't managed to even teach its own population how to read or write in 200 years, while "inefficient communism" pretty much pulled that off in 20? Makes sense, right? Not.
Efficiency without a plan... doesn't that sound suspiciously like the legendary, undisputed efficiency of Auschwitz? What's going to happen to most of the Earth at this rate?
The rule of law is quite literally the only way a society can function without falling into total chaos. Sure, the legislative process is always going to be messy and the actual content of the laws will never be perfect, but ignoring them entirely would be a thousand times worse than any flaw they might have.
northernbison63 said:No, no—Verizon isn't saying private property and the rule of law are crimes, it's northernbison63 who's claiming capitalism equals crime.
And while we're on the subject, what's the actual point of the rule of law if the guy who used "original capital accumulation" to rig the game gets way more say over those laws than the person who had their "accumulation" stripped away? "Rule of law" is just a fancy little phrase people use to mask the rule of big capital. It's a joke.
And seriously, what kind of "private property" are we talking about when one single person owns, I don't know, half the farmland in the entire country?
Quincy:| without private property, there's absolutely no incentive for work or innovation. |
Sure! And then some "lazy masses" have to use a Space Shuttle to drag a "privately innovative" Space Shuttle into orbit.
God, I bet the definition of incentive for hard work and innovation is a hell of a lot more complicated than just "owning stuff." Look at how motivated the Japanese are to work—it’s a completely different vibe than what you see in the US. Plus, the Japanese social system is built on totally different foundations than the American one.
Quincy:| everything you create or invent would belong equally to everyone. |
Who does the invention of fire belong to?
Quincy:| the inefficiency of such a system has been so clearly demonstrated in every society that tried it. |
Oh, so the "efficiency" of capitalism is shown by—the total destruction of the planet we're seeing right now? Is that it?
How is it that this "efficient capitalism" hasn't managed to even teach its own population how to read or write in 200 years, while "inefficient communism" pretty much pulled that off in 20? Makes sense, right? Not.
Efficiency without a plan... doesn't that sound suspiciously like the legendary, undisputed efficiency of Auschwitz? What's going to happen to most of the Earth at this rate?
That’s just a leftover relic of feudalism in places that haven't fully transitioned into a liberal democracy yet. You aren't going to find that kind of concentrated mess in South America, Europe, Japan, or Australia.
northernbison63 said:No, no—Verizon isn't saying private property and the rule of law are crimes, it's northernbison63 who's claiming capitalism equals crime.
And while we're on the subject, what's the actual point of the rule of law if the guy who used "original capital accumulation" to rig the game gets way more say over those laws than the person who had their "accumulation" stripped away? "Rule of law" is just a fancy little phrase people use to mask the rule of big capital. It's a joke.
And seriously, what kind of "private property" are we talking about when one single person owns, I don't know, half the farmland in the entire country?
Quincy:| without private property, there's absolutely no incentive for work or innovation. |
Sure! And then some "lazy masses" have to use a Space Shuttle to drag a "privately innovative" Space Shuttle into orbit.
God, I bet the definition of incentive for hard work and innovation is a hell of a lot more complicated than just "owning stuff." Look at how motivated the Japanese are to work—it’s a completely different vibe than what you see in the US. Plus, the Japanese social system is built on totally different foundations than the American one.
Quincy:| everything you create or invent would belong equally to everyone. |
Who does the invention of fire belong to?
Quincy:| the inefficiency of such a system has been so clearly demonstrated in every society that tried it. |
Oh, so the "efficiency" of capitalism is shown by—the total destruction of the planet we're seeing right now? Is that it?
How is it that this "efficient capitalism" hasn't managed to even teach its own population how to read or write in 200 years, while "inefficient communism" pretty much pulled that off in 20? Makes sense, right? Not.
Efficiency without a plan... doesn't that sound suspiciously like the legendary, undisputed efficiency of Auschwitz? What's going to happen to most of the Earth at this rate?
Both of those are products of state-run enterprises, period. And look, there's always going to be an exception to every rule, but generally speaking, private entrepreneurship has absolutely crushed planned economies to such a degree that it's almost laughable.
northernbison63 said:No, no—Verizon isn't saying private property and the rule of law are crimes, it's northernbison63 who's claiming capitalism equals crime.
And while we're on the subject, what's the actual point of the rule of law if the guy who used "original capital accumulation" to rig the game gets way more say over those laws than the person who had their "accumulation" stripped away? "Rule of law" is just a fancy little phrase people use to mask the rule of big capital. It's a joke.
And seriously, what kind of "private property" are we talking about when one single person owns, I don't know, half the farmland in the entire country?
Quincy:| without private property, there's absolutely no incentive for work or innovation. |
Sure! And then some "lazy masses" have to use a Space Shuttle to drag a "privately innovative" Space Shuttle into orbit.
God, I bet the definition of incentive for hard work and innovation is a hell of a lot more complicated than just "owning stuff." Look at how motivated the Japanese are to work—it’s a completely different vibe than what you see in the US. Plus, the Japanese social system is built on totally different foundations than the American one.
Quincy:| everything you create or invent would belong equally to everyone. |
Who does the invention of fire belong to?
Quincy:| the inefficiency of such a system has been so clearly demonstrated in every society that tried it. |
Oh, so the "efficiency" of capitalism is shown by—the total destruction of the planet we're seeing right now? Is that it?
How is it that this "efficient capitalism" hasn't managed to even teach its own population how to read or write in 200 years, while "inefficient communism" pretty much pulled that off in 20? Makes sense, right? Not.
Efficiency without a plan... doesn't that sound suspiciously like the legendary, undisputed efficiency of Auschwitz? What's going to happen to most of the Earth at this rate?
Look, Japan respects private property and the rule of law just like we do. That makes them way closer to the USA than they ever were to the USSR. Everything else is just minor details.
northernbison63 said:No, no—Verizon isn't saying private property and the rule of law are crimes, it's northernbison63 who's claiming capitalism equals crime.
And while we're on the subject, what's the actual point of the rule of law if the guy who used "original capital accumulation" to rig the game gets way more say over those laws than the person who had their "accumulation" stripped away? "Rule of law" is just a fancy little phrase people use to mask the rule of big capital. It's a joke.
And seriously, what kind of "private property" are we talking about when one single person owns, I don't know, half the farmland in the entire country?
Quincy:| without private property, there's absolutely no incentive for work or innovation. |
Sure! And then some "lazy masses" have to use a Space Shuttle to drag a "privately innovative" Space Shuttle into orbit.
God, I bet the definition of incentive for hard work and innovation is a hell of a lot more complicated than just "owning stuff." Look at how motivated the Japanese are to work—it’s a completely different vibe than what you see in the US. Plus, the Japanese social system is built on totally different foundations than the American one.
Quincy:| everything you create or invent would belong equally to everyone. |
Who does the invention of fire belong to?
Quincy:| the inefficiency of such a system has been so clearly demonstrated in every society that tried it. |
Oh, so the "efficiency" of capitalism is shown by—the total destruction of the planet we're seeing right now? Is that it?
How is it that this "efficient capitalism" hasn't managed to even teach its own population how to read or write in 200 years, while "inefficient communism" pretty much pulled that off in 20? Makes sense, right? Not.
Efficiency without a plan... doesn't that sound suspiciously like the legendary, undisputed efficiency of Auschwitz? What's going to happen to most of the Earth at this rate?
Yeah, sure, if you want to be dramatic, but the world hasn't exactly split open like a ripe watermelon.
In actual reality, the planet is cleaner than it was forty years ago, and more people than ever before are living with a high standard of living.
northernbison63 said:No, no—Verizon isn't saying private property and the rule of law are crimes, it's northernbison63 who's claiming capitalism equals crime.
And while we're on the subject, what's the actual point of the rule of law if the guy who used "original capital accumulation" to rig the game gets way more say over those laws than the person who had their "accumulation" stripped away? "Rule of law" is just a fancy little phrase people use to mask the rule of big capital. It's a joke.
And seriously, what kind of "private property" are we talking about when one single person owns, I don't know, half the farmland in the entire country?
Quincy:| without private property, there's absolutely no incentive for work or innovation. |
Sure! And then some "lazy masses" have to use a Space Shuttle to drag a "privately innovative" Space Shuttle into orbit.
God, I bet the definition of incentive for hard work and innovation is a hell of a lot more complicated than just "owning stuff." Look at how motivated the Japanese are to work—it’s a completely different vibe than what you see in the US. Plus, the Japanese social system is built on totally different foundations than the American one.
Quincy:| everything you create or invent would belong equally to everyone. |
Who does the invention of fire belong to?
Quincy:| the inefficiency of such a system has been so clearly demonstrated in every society that tried it. |
Oh, so the "efficiency" of capitalism is shown by—the total destruction of the planet we're seeing right now? Is that it?
How is it that this "efficient capitalism" hasn't managed to even teach its own population how to read or write in 200 years, while "inefficient communism" pretty much pulled that off in 20? Makes sense, right? Not.
Efficiency without a plan... doesn't that sound suspiciously like the legendary, undisputed efficiency of Auschwitz? What's going to happen to most of the Earth at this rate?
Are you kidding me? Look at the US, Europe, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Australia, or New Zealand—these places all have literacy rates between 95 and 99 percent.
northernbison63 said:No, no—Verizon isn't saying private property and the rule of law are crimes, it's northernbison63 who's claiming capitalism equals crime.
And while we're on the subject, what's the actual point of the rule of law if the guy who used "original capital accumulation" to rig the game gets way more say over those laws than the person who had their "accumulation" stripped away? "Rule of law" is just a fancy little phrase people use to mask the rule of big capital. It's a joke.
And seriously, what kind of "private property" are we talking about when one single person owns, I don't know, half the farmland in the entire country?
Quincy:| without private property, there's absolutely no incentive for work or innovation. |
Sure! And then some "lazy masses" have to use a Space Shuttle to drag a "privately innovative" Space Shuttle into orbit.
God, I bet the definition of incentive for hard work and innovation is a hell of a lot more complicated than just "owning stuff." Look at how motivated the Japanese are to work—it’s a completely different vibe than what you see in the US. Plus, the Japanese social system is built on totally different foundations than the American one.
Quincy:| everything you create or invent would belong equally to everyone. |
Who does the invention of fire belong to?
Quincy:| the inefficiency of such a system has been so clearly demonstrated in every society that tried it. |
Oh, so the "efficiency" of capitalism is shown by—the total destruction of the planet we're seeing right now? Is that it?
How is it that this "efficient capitalism" hasn't managed to even teach its own population how to read or write in 200 years, while "inefficient communism" pretty much pulled that off in 20? Makes sense, right? Not.
Efficiency without a plan... doesn't that sound suspiciously like the legendary, undisputed efficiency of Auschwitz? What's going to happen to most of the Earth at this rate?
Oh, please, we're talking about National Socialism now...
What does that have to do with capitalism?
Everywhere where they've actually implemented private property, the rule of law, and limited government power, people enjoy a decent standard of living.
Even in places where those principles are only halfway there, you can still live a pretty decent life with average effort.
Even a blue-collar worker like me.