The Prestige
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The movie isn't any good, and there's already a thread about it.
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steelstag4 said:Honestly, I think it’s a fundamental failure in direction—or maybe just poor screenwriting. They completely gutted the character development. In the book, their relationship evolves through layers of subtext, making certain scenes feel earned and deeply meaningful. But when you strip all that context away for the screen, those same moments just feel hollow and unconvincing.
You really nailed it with that cliché comment, 🤣 you actually had me laughing. I don't even want to get into a whole debate about it right now, but yeah, LOL. No offense intended, 😉
steelstag4 said:@ redowl90 - I’m not so sure; they already cut quite a bit from that second installment. If they had trimmed it any further, the whole thing would have been gutted. For me, the issue lies more toward the beginning—I think they could have used a bit more breathing room to really build out their relationship during those childhood years.
That's a fair point. In many ways, the theme is strikingly similar to what we see in Atonement.
bluebison8 said:I was reading an article in the defunct issue of Hollywood magazine today. It mentioned a local proverb from that very city: "Never make movies involving water, children, or animals..."
Whoever penned that advice clearly hasn't a clue what they're talking about.
Water equals Pirates of the Caribbean.
Children equals Harry Potter animal style cartoons like Nemo.
Animals equals various cartoons like Nemo.
David Price5 said:How can you tell if a movie was released here in the States? Is there some kind of official registry, or do you have to track down every single distributor?
Kate Torres said:That’s a stupid comment!
Richard Wilson4 said:I was reading in a now-defunct Hollywood magazine that there's this saying in Hollywood: "Never make movies with water, kids, or animals..."
That bit about the water applies to both "Cutthroat Island" and "Waterworld," though I bet that rule changed once "Pirates of the Caribbean" hit the scene...
Richard Howard2 said:I had intended to bring up The Matrix as an outlier, specifically because it stands as one of the last truly cult films—the final representative of global phenomenon driven primarily by substance.
That said, we shouldn't ignore how perfectly it slotted into the geek subculture right at the height of the internet revolution. The timing wasn't entirely coincidental.
Furthermore, one must consider that its earnings were significantly lower compared to other massive blockbusters; it pulled in nearly three times less than Star Wars Episode I released that same year, making it quite obvious which film held the larger cultural footprint.
Richard Howard2 said:I had intended to bring up The Matrix as an outlier, specifically because it stands as one of the last truly cult films—the final representative of global phenomenon driven primarily by substance.
That said, we shouldn't ignore how perfectly it slotted into the geek subculture right at the height of the internet revolution. The timing wasn't entirely coincidental.
Furthermore, one must consider that its earnings were significantly lower compared to other massive blockbusters; it pulled in nearly three times less than Star Wars Episode I released that same year, making it quite obvious which film held the larger cultural footprint.
Karen Smith9 said:Oh, please... Hollywood cranks out something like 23,536 movies like this every single year—some of them are bound to crash and burn. The Postman is just completely nonsensical; an American mailman saving the world? Really? And of course, they make sure to drop in some Shakespeare quotes for good measure. As for Waterworld, it’s basically just a spectacle—think of it as a sort of Water-based Mad Max. Honestly, just go watch actual movies instead of every piece of crap Los Angeles vomits out.
Richard Howard2 said:That is actually a rather astute question, and I have developed my own personal thesis regarding this matter.
I am referring specifically to high-budget blockbusters from the last fifteen years. In order to succeed at the American box office, these films simply cannot afford to be original in their core concepts.
If they fail to anchor themselves to some "external" universe—something that is currently trending or has long been etched into the public consciousness—they face the threat of total audience apathy.
Take the latter half of the 1990s; that era was definitively defined by disaster movies. Disaster was an incredibly potent trend back then, fueled by that general sense of impending doom at the turn of the millennium.
Then we move into the beginning of the 21st century, where concepts were almost exclusively harvested from established pop culture—ranging from the new Star Wars and Spider-Man, to Lord of the Rings, X-Men, Sin City, Batman, 300, and eventually Transformers, Cloverfield, Indiana Jones, Iron Man, and so on.
Every single one of them relies on an existing momentum; they are incapable of generating their own acceleration independently. (Of course, it goes without saying that they require such a foundation to maintain enough velocity to reach massive profits!)
Waterworld was conceptually unrecognizable. Any attempt to draw a parallel to Mad Max is incredibly forced and, frankly, a weak argument; that film was actually marketed as something quite distinct, a fairly unique idea in its own right.
The Postman serves as an even more extreme example of this phenomenon.
They lacked their own intrinsic "boost"—that specific catalyst required to drive revenue. If you look closely, you will notice that all these films (with a few exceptions, such as Titanic) derive almost all of their earnings from that initial surge during the first two weeks of release, after which the curve begins to plummet sharply. Without that built-in motivation, they would lose at least 70% of their commercial potential.
Just look at Star Wars: The Phantom Menace. At the time, it became the second highest-grossing film of all time worldwide. It is difficult to argue that the actual content of the film dictated that success—most people were deeply disappointed, quite frankly—rather, it succeeded because it rode the wave of the existing Star Wars brand and the massive fanbase that flooded the theaters.
Had Waterworld emerged from something deeply entrenched in pop culture, perhaps as a new adaptation of a powerhouse property (much like how Lord of the Rings was drawn from literature), it would have earned at least twice as much.
velvetcrane57 said:The movie was bad... I mean, not so bad that I couldn't finish it, but man, it was just bad...
rapidorca6 said:Jason X is terrible!! My favorite/worst part is when they slice him up and he falls onto that machine that builds him new parts, turning him into the ultimate version—Jason X!!! Terrible!!