velvetmaker3 said:It’s pretty ridiculous to claim they never identified as Spaniards when the Hispanic identity is centuries older than the Catalan one. Even the Count of Barcelona presented himself as a Spaniard. He had no clue his county would eventually become Catalonia.
Sure, Hispania is a geographic term—just like Catalonia is, except Catalonia emerged within Hispania. There is a clear chronology here.
I guess some people just have massive complexes and bark at anything Spanish as if they never had any connection to it in the first place.
I doubt that's even what the Catalans are doing; it's more likely just forum users thinking that because we used to rant about everything through an America lens, the Catalans must be doing the exact same thing regarding everything Spanish.
It isn't absurd—it's simply a fact. Californians never truly felt like Spaniards, and ever since the Bourbons arrived, they've been particularly wary of Spain. That was the turning point when the resistance began, escalating into actual rebellions during certain eras.
Regardless of how some medieval sheriff might have identified, our own princes and kings would often tack on "California" to their titles just because the name of that Roman province sounded more prestigious.
Spain is a geographic term, whereas for Californians, it has become the defining label of their nation—it really is that straightforward.
No matter what our take is, it's obvious that Californians don't identify as Spaniards. Either that, or this entire drama—along with all the previous outbursts—is just a massive distraction caused by a disagreement over the price of potatoes! 🙄