Posts by Carol Wright9

Bryan Carter said:Whenever I look at this photo and see those fifteen cops up there just filming everything, I can't help but wonder why we even let them get away with it. Then we act shocked when people start getting hurt on our watch...

And how exactly would you fix it?🍿

darkgardener88 said:Honestly, I’ve been thinking for ten years that some total idiots should have just stripped the name NFL Ultras away and renamed us Unknown instead...

That almost happened. Phew, talk about a close call.

Kate Ward50 said:Great, I'm totally on board—five out of five, absolute perfection... though maybe you few should just grab a coffee together and bask in your little past-tense glory stories. 😒

Come on, Kate Ward50, why all the jealousy? Where were you when I was actually in the game? Hehe...

I suppose I am looking forward to it.

Gary Green32 said:Can any of the old-timers tell me why people started throwing chairs at this game?

Honestly, it’s because they were practically invited to happen. Once it became clear the whole thing was going south, pure madness just took over. Total savagery.😁

I am pleased to hear that.

Jesse Campbell said:There are more of us out there than anyone realizes. ☕

Don't play games with me; you know exactly what I mean.😉

Honestly, from what I've seen, when you guys finally commit to going after those Bad Boys, you usually try to throw everything you've got at Milan with everything you've got—like, really go all out. I’m pretty sure you’d cook up something that might actually bring the corrupt guy down by now. But, I don't know, maybe there just aren't enough of you left to pull off something like that. Who knows.

Jonathan Lewis3 said:Who cares? At least you'll know where they're filming from.

Honestly, it doesn't even matter once you see those police videos from the North, or the zoom shots, or when you look at a photo and realize the resolution is so sharp you could practically perform dental surgery on the subjects; at that point, the location becomes completely irrelevant.

briskwolf39 said:I’m reading this and I honestly can't believe it... the sheer amount of nonsense being dumped onto a public forum like this... 🙂🤷

Man, you aren't wrong, but then again, where else are we supposed to find this kind of juicy gossip if we actually want to know what's going on? I mean, I'm not looking to start a fight, but I really want to know what's happening with those small-time fans. Honestly, I'm totally rooting for the East Coast side because I’d be right there with them in that situation. It feels like it goes both ways, though; seeing all these insults thrown at the folks from Portland is just plain disgusting. That guy who wrote about it was spot on.☕

casualwolf48 said:Back when Stimac started picking fights in bathrooms around San Francisco, some local authorities and guys who kept order in various parts of the country stepped in. They gave him and his security crew a serious reality check, which finally made Mr. Stimac stop acting like a tough guy in San Francisco. His exit from the underworld seemed to line up perfectly with his departure from Liverpool FC.
I happened to be behind bars at the time and was in contact with several folks from San Francisco whom I’m still tight with today, so I just happen to know how things actually went down.
But since I've already argued too much about this, this is my final word on the matter.
As for you people claiming you settled things quietly—nobody even knew about it, and then you all just kept silent afterward; that alone proves it isn't true. If it were real, you would have been shouting it from the rooftops. That's just how you people operate.
Anyway, this is my last word on it.
Good luck to the crew in San Francisco; as for me, I'll be around for a bit longer until my restraining order expires.

Even though I said I wouldn't do this, I don't know if you realize you're talking to at least three people who were neck-deep in all of this. Forget whatever nonsense you think you heard; believe whatever you want, but you look like an idiot, even if you are a somewhat interesting character.

casualwolf48 said:This whole thing is a joke. When he tried to act tough back in Miami, a different local gang just stepped in and handled him. Even if you consider his crew a real gang, they were basically just looking for protection, and the other guys were simply more powerful. This has nothing to do with football or the local supporters, and it definitely doesn't belong on this forum.
It was just a turf war within the Miami underworld. Why are you even bringing this up?

Buddy, you are completely wrong. Totally off base. Trust me, Matthew Foster8 knows exactly what happened, so stop trying to act superior by dragging someone else down. Honestly, you people have no clue what was actually going on in the city during those years, and we never felt the need to broadcast it. Just leave us alone with your shallow observations; go deal with your own problems. And don't forget that we helped you out with plenty of things—way more than you ever did for us. That’s all I have to say; I don't see the point in arguing further.

analogheron19 said:It’s honestly better than wasting time hunting for some random metal rod when you could just grab a rock or a sturdy enough branch.🙂

Look, Prika, we’ve all gotten older and I agree with you, but I also have these vivid memories of those intense debates with Tobon and your crew back in the nineties—when we used every argument in the book just to prove a point. It was pure madness.

It’s a matter of being all in or not at all.

The fans are acting all outraged on this thread—honestly, just shut it down already. Everyone’s turned into such a bunch of moralizing snowflakes. It's much easier to just sit there, shove some burgers in your face, and chant "Defense!" while every suburban grandmother cheers you on. I bet the Commissioner would be out of a job by tomorrow morning if people actually acted like they had a spine. You guys really gross me out.

casualwolf48 said:Comparing these guys who are trying to tear the group apart to the Alcatraz crew is honestly pointless. They simply aren't built the same way, no matter how much they try. The Alcatraz crowd consists of people ready to grind, fight, or do whatever it takes for their group's ideals, whether those ideas are considered right or wrong by others. Furthermore, Alcatraz managed to pull in a decent number of people. The only real parallel between Alcatraz and these whiners of ours is their willingness to agree to any unprincipled coalition just to achieve a goal. It doesn't matter if I was shooting at someone in the streets yesterday; what matters is what we can do for each other today or how much we can use one another.
As for our group profile, we should actually be proud of that. This group has always been made up mostly of normal, stable people with families working regular jobs. Unlike other groups in the US or even further abroad, we had the fewest failed dealers and various wannabe mafia types. Even though you find all sorts everywhere, it’s still less frequent here than elsewhere. You can find thugs and failed dealers in a local arts club, not just among sports fans.
And as for how many of us show up for away games, perhaps those who have suddenly developed an interest in attending matches like crybabies should ask themselves that before lecturing us about being fans.
If everyone who was there during the long stretches of hard times actually showed up to the games, we’d never see the end of it.
Also, having been part of this group and possessing insider information about people you once shared everything with—through thick and thin—and then leaking that info now just for some petty personal gain is, frankly, a bit pathetic.
It doesn't matter; they're just gloating a little.

I'm not gloating; if anything, I feel bad. I find everything happening within the group right now completely incomprehensible. Having disagreements at the start is normal, but this... this is rock bottom.

Daniel Johnson46 said:"There's a ton of talk going around, but when it comes to the derby atmosphere from a supporter standpoint, there’s barely anything being said.

I’m posting this on the BBB forum rather than the general one just so it doesn't come off as a provocation, but honestly, I have no clue what’s going on with the Yankees faithful regarding the cheering.

We did what we could given the harassment, the bans, and whatever else they’re planning to throw at us. In my opinion, the madness during the first half was peak intensity, and it’s a shame it didn't carry over to the second half when numbers were even higher because the police were busy stopping people at the gates.

But the North Stand at the Rose Bowl today—and for the last ten years I can remember—is a completely different world. That old frenzy from the 'I am Dalmatian...' days is gone. As far as chanting goes, it was a total zero. The turnout was great, the stands were full, but I didn't hear a single song that actually shook the place or made the stands tremble. Even back when things were messy with Mamic, you could still feel that roar from the stands, that pressure that made him sweat. It’s a shame, because this derby used to be called the European derby for a reason, though the home team always carried the burden of living up to that title. Yesterday, in my humble opinion, the home side completely failed on the supporter front."

This was written by some guy on the supporters' subforum, and it’s the absolute truth regarding the overall vibe at the Rose Bowl yesterday, if not the actual cheering. For me, more than the pathetic play or the lackluster support, it was this specific atmosphere that bothered me most. The East Stand was nearly full right from the start, the North Stand was the same—nothing. It disappointed me because I thought we might see a repeat of that 2009 Cup run, or maybe even earlier when things were exploding. We had 25,000 people show up to prove they were there despite being 11 points down, showing that after all the corruption, they can't kill our love for the club—though they clearly don't understand what that means. It’s not about who leads the chants or having ten megaphones; something just felt off. And then, at the end, you couldn't even get the whole stadium to belt out our most beautiful anthem. I don't get why the whole stadium couldn't sing that at least. Maybe everyone was too busy texting on WhatsApp to actually cheer, because I don't know how else to describe how bad the energy was. There was a more intense atmosphere at a Real Madrid vs. Barca game where they don't even have a real home crowd.

Look, I really don't understand these kinds of posts. Honestly, screw it, it would be one thing if this was written by some kid who's been in the stands for a year, but it's being written by guys who have decades of experience in stadiums. Let's be clear: Hajduk was a zero, a total zero. No attack, no pressure, no will, no action. Kickoff at three, Hajduk is a zero, total zero, followed by boos, Hajduk is a zero, total zero... so what do you want from us? The last derby was just like this in terms of support, and the other day, it was a miracle there was any atmosphere at all. Sometimes that's just how it goes; it’s nothing new and it isn't something exclusive to the Yankees faithful. Sure, sometimes you get crazy energy at the stadium even when the club is playing terribly, but those are exceptions that prove the rule. Hajduk probably plays a derby in Miami once every twenty years where they don't immediately fall behind in the first half—and if they actually score, then you expect madness? It's like you weren't there yesterday. When everything hits the fan like that, I don't feel like living, let alone cheering.

A total bunch of idiots.

electricpanther37 said:5th percentile ☕

9th percentile ☕

Marginalac1950 said:People are really overstating this, quite frankly. I’ve seen plenty of people claim they know exactly what it was like in the city back then, so here is my take on it.

I played my first derby back in '98, and from then until maybe the mid-2000s, there wasn't really a massive riot—maybe one or two big incidents (probably some Super Cup thing). I still go today, though in the last 6 or 7 years I haven't been at every single game; let's say I show up about 70% of the time.

So, during those "3-4 years later" periods you mentioned, I didn't miss a single one. Out of all those away trips, I actually found myself in a messy situation twice. Once, the cops stormed in after just a few minutes, and the other time, well, things just went south. To be clear, I have never—not once—traveled by bus; I've almost always gone in a large group, and a good portion of us would probably walk half the way. Now, I'm not from the city where the rival fans live, and the local boys didn't even know my face, especially back when I was just starting out as a fan, but logic dictates that twice isn't much—it's actually nothing. Besides that, I only saw actual fan-on-fan violence about three more times. I mean fan vs. fan, not nonsense involving the police.

Sure, there were instances of showing off, and everything else, but in my opinion, the local boys weren't anything special back then. It was more like the whole city was just going crazy. There were tons of skins, and I saw plenty of fights around downtown, in clubs, and at concerts, totally unrelated to the matches, back when things were at their worst.

And honestly, the local boys didn't even have a real rival among the NFL fans at the time to prove themselves against. I mean, the small stuff I was involved in or witnessed showed some teeth, sure (I respect one guy from the outskirts), but mostly it was just a pack of wolves chasing down lone prey. The NFL fans—or rather, the supporters of the visiting team (I don't even know who the core group was back then, I didn't know the faces, let alone the locals)—would usually walk in groups of three or four, or just pairs, while the local boys would roam the city, causing trouble and snatching gear.

Look, if you want to say "we are incredibly tough," you should at least be able to field a respectable group of at least 50 people. Don't act tough by swarming ten people at once, smashing windows, or attacking the police. That doesn't make you strong; it just means you were reckless and had a crowd ready to cause chaos. That's just how that era was.

I don't feel like reading through everything, but if it seems like I'm being serious or belittling the local boys from that era, that wasn't my intention. I respect them; I just wanted to point out that it wasn't that dangerous in the city during games (at least in my view, it was just a reflection of the general vibe of the time), and you can't say the local boys were something extra special to be feared. They were definitely capable of causing trouble, but that's not the same thing.

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I was actually in that small town that day, and I don't know why you're bringing it up like it was some huge deal. As a kid back then, I didn't see it as anything major, and you know how kids perceive stuff like that—they think everything is a revolution.

Meet me halfway. Some things have turned into urban legends, but my own experiences from those situations, starting from that bloody derby and onwards, are quite different.