It’s a solid flick. Reminds me of those old radio dramas they used to play back when I was a kid, something like All in the Family. Just raw glimpses into the daily grind of an American family.
The big draw is obviously having one of my absolute favorites—not that the pretentious cinephiles would call him anything else—crushing it in one of his standout roles. 😵
The real issue for me is Chloe Sevigny; honestly, I can't shake the feeling she's just some obnoxious girl with zero actual substance, someone who only manages to stay in the spotlight because she has this uncanny knack for being in the right place at the right time. 🤷
goldenhound32 said:Out of all the documentaries I've watched, I've only seen Grizzly Man, and frankly, I wasn't a fan. I spent an hour and a half watching a guy who clearly isn't right in the head (I mean, why is he trying to protect bears?), and then the movie just ends.
I honestly can't wrap my head around what Werner Herzog was trying to convey with that film. I suspect Treadwell would have actually enjoyed it... but since he was unstable, well, you know how that goes... 🙂
I’ve sat through eight of Werner Herzog's films now, and while none of them are bad, I wouldn't say any of them particularly thrilled me.
Maybe this is a bit off-topic, but that movie is honestly beautiful. If I actually had to pick a favorite Herzog film, I might go with that one... though I’m lying, I wouldn't, I'd still have to go with Kaspar Hauser.
goldenhound32 said:Out of all the documentaries I've watched, I've only seen Grizzly Man, and frankly, I wasn't a fan. I spent an hour and a half watching a guy who clearly isn't right in the head (I mean, why is he trying to protect bears?), and then the movie just ends.
I honestly can't wrap my head around what Werner Herzog was trying to convey with that film. I suspect Treadwell would have actually enjoyed it... but since he was unstable, well, you know how that goes... 🙂
I’ve sat through eight of Werner Herzog's films now, and while none of them are bad, I wouldn't say any of them particularly thrilled me.
I don't really have a clue what that even is. What I meant was... He just hits it out of the park with every single movie he touches, which is probably why I'm so hooked on his work.
goldenhound32 said:Out of all the documentaries I've watched, I've only seen Grizzly Man, and frankly, I wasn't a fan. I spent an hour and a half watching a guy who clearly isn't right in the head (I mean, why is he trying to protect bears?), and then the movie just ends.
I honestly can't wrap my head around what Werner Herzog was trying to convey with that film. I suspect Treadwell would have actually enjoyed it... but since he was unstable, well, you know how that goes... 🙂
I’ve sat through eight of Werner Herzog's films now, and while none of them are bad, I wouldn't say any of them particularly thrilled me.
I'm not entirely sure what exactly Herzog was trying to get at there—or maybe I should put it this way, Just seeing what he was trying to get across. It’s all just one big setup where people are strictly divided into classes. Just normal stuff. I'm here. What's on your mind? Absolutely insane..
goldenhound32 said:Out of all the documentaries I've watched, I've only seen Grizzly Man, and frankly, I wasn't a fan. I spent an hour and a half watching a guy who clearly isn't right in the head (I mean, why is he trying to protect bears?), and then the movie just ends.
I honestly can't wrap my head around what Werner Herzog was trying to convey with that film. I suspect Treadwell would have actually enjoyed it... but since he was unstable, well, you know how that goes... 🙂
I’ve sat through eight of Werner Herzog's films now, and while none of them are bad, I wouldn't say any of them particularly thrilled me.
I'm ready to go. Just feed me the next one. 🙂.
goldenhound32 said:Out of all the documentaries I've watched, I've only seen Grizzly Man, and frankly, I wasn't a fan. I spent an hour and a half watching a guy who clearly isn't right in the head (I mean, why is he trying to protect bears?), and then the movie just ends.
I honestly can't wrap my head around what Werner Herzog was trying to convey with that film. I suspect Treadwell would have actually enjoyed it... but since he was unstable, well, you know how that goes... 🙂
I’ve sat through eight of Werner Herzog's films now, and while none of them are bad, I wouldn't say any of them particularly thrilled me.
Maybe you just need more time to get used to him; his whole visionary style where even the documentaries don't have a clear direction. agendu and movies might actually be more interested in the vibe than the actual plot or what's happening.
Anthony Jackson50 said:Now this is an interesting topic! It’s one of those subjects that's been pretty much forgotten lately, so it’s great to see it being brought back to life. I’ll throw out a couple of examples for the group: - Brian De Palma: I've already mentioned Mission to Mars (total Sci-Fi flop—honestly, probably his absolute worst) and Wise Guys (a crime comedy that I actually find quite charming, even if the critics mostly tore it apart). - Walter Hill: Brewster's Millions (his only real foray into comedy, and honestly, it's one of my favorite movies from the 80s, though I don't see people giving it much credit).
I was just sitting here thinking about this whole topic, though honestly, it’s not even really a hot take for me.
Anyway, I actually liked that movie on a human level, and if we're being real, it's easily my favorite Brian De Palma flick.🙂.
Honestly, I’m pretty curious about this whole Herzog "new phase" thing—you know, him pivoting to making English-language films, or rather, American movies based on other people's scripts. We'll see how it plays out, though; at his age, it's hard to imagine a guy like him making such a bad call 🙂. He's always been bold, I guess.
My absolute favorite "outlier" has to be Raime's A Simple Plan. It's wild when you think about it—a guy known for (tongue-in-cheek) horror delivering one of the best dramas of the decade. It's just beautiful, subtle filmmaking. Next thing you know - Spiderman 😁.
As for Scorsese, most of his stuff feels like an outlier to me. Truth be told, I'm not really a fan. He kind of sits in this limbo, neither here nor there—stuck somewhere between pure arthouse and hardcore Hollywood for pretty much his entire career. Don't get me wrong, he isn't a bad director, and I've got nothing but respect for two of his pieces: ...Christ, which is total arthouse and hits hard, and No Direction Home, which is easily one of the better documentaries out there, maybe even the best rockumentary ever made.
Look, I get it, what I said about White was a pretty heavy accusation, which is why I played it safe with a question mark. I know Man is a serious guy, and honestly, his tracks hit different for me than White's do. But White is just White. If nobody, not even Man, can outdo him at being himself, then maybe they shouldn't even bother trying. At least not Man.
Plus, like I said, I haven't even dug through their whole catalog yet.
Btw, if anyone’s sitting on a few billion to fund a supergroup that actually fits my vibe, hit me up in the DMs.
I don't know, man, on my first spin through this, I wasn't really feeling it. It kicks off sounding like some lost Led Zeppelin record, which was a nice touch, but my gut feeling right now is that there’s nothing groundbreaking here—it feels like everyone involved has already done much better work before, and this just isn't different enough to actually blow anyone away, though I guess it's fine if you're into that sort of thing...
...And it's almost like Man is trying way too hard to channel Jack White?
Well, here’s the link for my guy, driftingeagle27. 🙂
Yeah, exactly. I mean, I just wrote that a second ago and you're quoting it back to me... what's the question there?
I've sat through a few of his flicks, or at least tried to, and honestly, the whole thing feels way too forced or just plain boring—even if the subject matter is actually pretty interesting.
Btw, is there some director out there that everyone in certain circles thinks is a genius, but you can't stand their stuff? Seriously though, I'm curious.
Since everyone was acting like he was some kind of genius, I gave him a shot, but honestly, I was bored out of my mind.
I guess I’ve officially realized I have zero patience for those overly sensitive guys with the beards and the acoustic guitars. It’s funny because I basically fit the description myself, but I’m not dropping my own tracks until I’m actually certain they aren't total garbage, swear to God.
gentleseal23 said:Yeah, you've got a point there, because that opening sequence was killer. 😉 I felt like it would've been cool if they included just one (un)lucky moment behind the scenes—not like a hundred different clips 😉 but still—though I guess the rehearsals are more important since they give us a real look at how the concert was supposed to go down.
I'm sure they filmed some conversations, especially since there's about a hundred hours of footage out there, but maybe those specific tapes were just for his private collection and were handed over to his family.
I'm not saying the movie wasn't great, because it was absolutely FANTASTIC 😍 and I wouldn't change a single thing about it, really. I'm just saying it would have been nice to see a little bit of that "behind the scenes" stuff to get a glimpse of that side of things. 😛😉
gentleseal23 said:Whose, exactly? Well, obviously his own and his entire crew's (the singer, the dancers, all that). It doesn't matter if they knew he was dying before the first show or not; you really think they wouldn't have been "interviewed"?
By the way, I wasn't talking about a formal interview, I meant more like behind-the-scenes stuff, just random things said that don't necessarily have to tie back to the songs 😛 and there was definitely plenty of that happening. 🙂
I honestly feel like the singers, dancers, and everyone else shared enough in the documentary. That part at the very beginning was actually pretty moving.
I don't get why you'd expect a ton of footage showing accidents or mishaps backstage; it’s pretty obvious that when you're prepping for a massive concert, the cameras are mostly focused on stage rehearsals so they can review and analyze the performance later.
What I'm saying is that there would've been way more recorded conversations behind the scenes if they actually knew the guy was dying; as it stands, I don't see much reason why they would have gone out of their way to do that.
The movie is just what they had available to work with, plain and simple, and honestly, I thought it was surprisingly good.
crimsonstag59 said:Look, 🙂it’s all scripted. They knew everything! 😉Mikey didn't actually die, and he certainly wasn't murdered! In reality, they just killed off his symbol—his name. The man was simply scrubbed from the stage, and that's that. This Is It!
If you take the time—and I mean really sit down and study those clips—once the initial hype dies down and you watch certain segments of that film, you'll see a mountain of inconsistencies and obvious editing. Just one tiny detail: there's a shot where he (or maybe a lookalike?) is sitting at the mixing console with straight, thick hair, but then later on stage, he (or another lookalike?) shows up with long, curly hair!
I’d strongly suggest actual fans check out some of the great documentaries on this topic and just think about it. There are several theories floating around, but the most plausible one is that the whole thing was orchestrated by his family. There is no way—not any sane or healthy person—could pull off 50 (FIFTY!) consecutive concerts. Even if he was just dancing. (The idea that he used playback is nonsense. He was a world-class musician; he wouldn't subject himself to that kind of embarrassment. Using body doubles for privacy is a different story entirely). Doing 50 shows is pure madness. That’s why they set up this whole strategy of filming rehearsals—using top-tier audio and video tech—specifically for a movie. A movie that has already raked in millions of dollars. And let's be honest, it isn't even a real documentary. It's absurd, right? And the money will just keep rolling in through merch, DVDs, memorabilia, rights, old CDs, and so on... Plus, he left behind hundreds of finished tracks ready for production and release. Etc...
Basically, he gets to live in peace, far away from the public eye and all the vultures that spent his entire life picking him clean.
Another theory from the conspiracy crowd is that he was removed—not necessarily killed, necessarily—by people he crossed. Was it Sony, the label he had so many issues with? They are one of the most powerful forces in the global entertainment industry. So... just think about it! 😛
Either way, go watch:
Michael Jackson's Death: Media Hoax Part 1 There are 14 parts in total—definitely worth a watch!!! Jonell star TV This Is It! Though even there, we won't find out who the guy calling 911 actually was. Think about it! 😉
You seriously never change your hair?
crimsonstag59 said:Look, 🙂it’s all scripted. They knew everything! 😉Mikey didn't actually die, and he certainly wasn't murdered! In reality, they just killed off his symbol—his name. The man was simply scrubbed from the stage, and that's that. This Is It!
If you take the time—and I mean really sit down and study those clips—once the initial hype dies down and you watch certain segments of that film, you'll see a mountain of inconsistencies and obvious editing. Just one tiny detail: there's a shot where he (or maybe a lookalike?) is sitting at the mixing console with straight, thick hair, but then later on stage, he (or another lookalike?) shows up with long, curly hair!
I’d strongly suggest actual fans check out some of the great documentaries on this topic and just think about it. There are several theories floating around, but the most plausible one is that the whole thing was orchestrated by his family. There is no way—not any sane or healthy person—could pull off 50 (FIFTY!) consecutive concerts. Even if he was just dancing. (The idea that he used playback is nonsense. He was a world-class musician; he wouldn't subject himself to that kind of embarrassment. Using body doubles for privacy is a different story entirely). Doing 50 shows is pure madness. That’s why they set up this whole strategy of filming rehearsals—using top-tier audio and video tech—specifically for a movie. A movie that has already raked in millions of dollars. And let's be honest, it isn't even a real documentary. It's absurd, right? And the money will just keep rolling in through merch, DVDs, memorabilia, rights, old CDs, and so on... Plus, he left behind hundreds of finished tracks ready for production and release. Etc...
Basically, he gets to live in peace, far away from the public eye and all the vultures that spent his entire life picking him clean.
Another theory from the conspiracy crowd is that he was removed—not necessarily killed, necessarily—by people he crossed. Was it Sony, the label he had so many issues with? They are one of the most powerful forces in the global entertainment industry. So... just think about it! 😛
Either way, go watch:
Michael Jackson's Death: Media Hoax Part 1 There are 14 parts in total—definitely worth a watch!!! Jonell star TV This Is It! Though even there, we won't find out who the guy calling 911 actually was. Think about it! 😉
It wasn't even announced they’d be back-to-back, just that there would be breaks in between.
gentleseal23 said:Yeah, maybe they could've thrown in a few more clips of interviews or actual conversations and stuff. But honestly, the whole point of the film is just to give you a sense of what the vibe was supposed to be—showing his state of mind, how he moves, and how he sings at fifty, which is why they stuck mostly to rehearsal footage. 🙂
I really have to step in here because I totally disagree with the idea that Michael contributed the least or had the smallest part in making that spectacle happen. Look, the dancers, the band, and the backup singers are all incredible, I'll give them that. But Michael is just on another level entirely. Sure, he's got some age on him and he's twice as old as the rest of the crew, that's a fact. But for a fifty-year-old... 😲 he is in absolute PEAK condition! You would never guess his age. Watching him move with that kind of effortless grace, I was basically sitting there looking like this: 😲😲🙏
In my book, his voice stayed flawless too. 😍 If someone feels differently, that's fine, but it felt to me like the production focused way more on the choreography, the special effects, and the cinematic transitions before the songs rather than just raw vocals. Whether he was belting it out or just pacing himself, he sounds perfect! 😍
Whose, though? It's not like those people knew he was actually going to die, so why would they be out there interviewing him every single day?