Creative challenge: Fight or struggle?

Look, if he wasn't worth the effort, then he just wasn't worth it. Period. Though, let's be real—those guys you women always seem to fall for usually have a whole rotation of other girlfriends waiting in the wings anyway.

briskwalker10 said:Of course, that’s why I say I can totally get where they're coming from.

Yeah, whatever... applies to me too. As much as I believe in equality, if some extreme feminist gets on my nerves, I’ll intentionally drop something super chauvinistic just to spite her. Doesn't count... 🤣

Well, now we're getting into trouble. One smart woman from your gender once said:

It doesn't matter if you care about politics or not. You can apply this logic to pretty much any part of life.

I'm no feminist. 😁If I could choose my own path, I'd be an Amazon🤣
I think when people start following certain trends, even women 😁, it's easy to lose your way. My take is just my take; I'm nothing original here. Things are right there in front of us, but people just spin them however they want, just like everything else.
Take what I'm saying about religion, for example—there's all this talk about men dominating women. When you actually look at it, it's a pretty extreme retelling of things that aren't even true. I liked this one little snippet explaining Easter events regarding women. It’s the reason why the risen Jesus appeared to women first. A theologian explains that because women are naturally inclined to believe; they experience the world through their hearts and God is just a fact to them. Meanwhile, the men—as shown when we get to the apostles—are constantly looking for proof. They base their knowledge on empirical evidence. Just like a body can't function if it leans too far to one side and needs a balance of mind and heart, if the male and female principles aren't steady, there's no harmony.

Walter Baker2 said:Women want to be men. Roles have been lost; women were meant to be mothers and homemakers, while men handle the heavy lifting. That still mostly holds up since you don't see women on construction sites or in mechanic shops. But now, there's this push for men to stay home, clean, cook, and babysit, which isn't natural for them, and most men end up breaking under the pressure or becoming feminized.

Walter Baker2 said:Hey babe, did your man dump you for someone else, or am I just imagining it? I won't tell anyone.

Walter Baker2 said:Look, if he wasn't worth it, then that's just how it goes. But those guys you women obsess over usually have a whole rotation of other women waiting in the wings.

Maybe I’m not frustrated, maybe I just have thoughts? It doesn't cross my mind to label you as a housewife or some tough guy or whatever, but I'm definitely not in those categories.

Grace Mitchell87 said:@Michelle Bennett14, don't mention it. It wasn't just "nice," I actually liked it. 🙂
I was going to reply to that and one more little thing, but you beat me to it. I get the whole closed-off thing; I feel that way myself sometimes. 🙂

🙂Keep singing, honey, you won't get off that easy. 😁

btw... when we get to voting, I'm gonna turn this discussion into stories so you're all competing against each other. I'll offer it as an option if you guys are down. 😉

My personal struggle is avoiding the whole housewife trap, much like Michelle Bennett14
. That’s actually why I admire Louise; she embraces being a homemaker.
Honestly, I’m fine with having misjudged the guys out there, but I have no idea what you're getting at, man.

Michelle Bennett14 said:I’m not a feminist. 😁

Well, my apologies then! Now that I've actually gone back and read the previous posts, I realize I completely misread the situation... 🙂

If I could be anything at all—if I actually had a choice in the matter—I’d choose to be an Amazon... 🤣

This immediately brings certain associations to mind... 😳

I actually really liked this one little detail from the explanation of the Easter events—specifically the part regarding the women...

I'm an atheist, but I actually really dig this interpretation! What I appreciate about your approach is how you weigh these things without any preconceived notions...

By the way... once we actually get to the voting stage, I’m planning to turn this whole discussion into a series of case studies—so you'll all be facing off against one another in a real competition. I might even throw an option out there, if it sounds like something you'd actually be into... 😉

For God's sake, am I going to end up caught up in some drama too?

I mean, is there actually anything creative about a struggle, fundamentally speaking?

Kate Fox58 said:Is there actually anything creative involved in a struggle, fundamentally speaking?

There is. Without the struggle, the brain just atrophies. When you're fighting, you end up uncovering parts of your own mental potential you didn't even know existed...

briskwalker10 said:There is. Without the struggle, your brain just stays stagnant. When you fight through things, you end up discovering all these hidden depths in your own mind...

Let's look at it this way.
Maybe you're fighting over territory, which just brings anxiety and pain.
Or maybe a conflict between two women leads to nothing but mockery.
Fighting for your health? That’s exhausting, because you aren't just physically hurt—you're pouring everything you have into it emotionally and mentally.
Then there's the internal struggle... like a painter who can't find their style, or a writer struggling with a blank page.
And so on.
I guess creativity itself grows from a healthy starting point, where all that bubbling energy is just looking for a way out.
But those are just my thoughts.
That was the first thing... that really clicked for me when I saw the title.

The only struggle worth having is the one for your own peace of mind.

Kate Fox58 said:A struggle—specifically a conflict between two women—just ends up looking ridiculous.

Unless it looks this way... 😁

Creativity—actual creation—emerges from a healthy foundation once that surging energy starts searching for its own path.
But those are just my thoughts.

Look, I get what you're saying.

I don't think the struggle itself sparks creativity. Rather, once the passions settle down—once the emotions triggered by a past struggle aren't quite so "alive" inside you anymore—I think something creative can be born from that aftermath (in that subsequent "cool down") if the person actually has a knack for it... Maybe. This is just me throwing things out there; I haven't given it much deep thought...

Walter Baker2 said:The only thing worth doing is the struggle for your own peace.

That’s exactly what we’re after, Mr. Buddha Budakvins...

briskwalker10 said:Unless it actually looks like this... 😁

I totally get what you're saying.

I guess the struggle itself doesn't really spark creativity. But maybe once things settle down—once those intense emotions from the previous struggle aren't so "alive" inside you anymore—then something creative might actually be born in that aftermath, if the person has a knack for it... Maybe! I'm just throwing ideas out there, I haven't really sat down and thought deeply about it.

Yeah, maybe.

briskwalker10 said:That’s exactly what’s being asked for, Mr. Buddha Budakvins

Budakvins is totally right.😁
A peaceful person—not someone who's just standing still, but someone with actual inner peace—will always find a way to solve the problem first.

Kate Fox58 said:Budakvins makes a valid point here.😁
A calm person—not someone who's stagnant, mind you, but someone with genuine inner peace—will always find a way to resolve things more effectively.

I couldn't agree more! Anyone who actually fights for a peaceful life—and I mean peaceful, definitely not being stuck in place—is arguably the wealthiest person on the planet.

Just look at Bandić’s millions (if not billions) earned through a chaotic, restless existence... it cost him his soul. If he had just taken a breather once he hit that level of wealth, he could have traveled the world—there’s so much to see—hosted some seminars to ramble on about, or even written some silly memoirs... but instead, he just kept chasing the next big thing.

briskwalker10 said:I totally agree with you there! I guess anyone who chooses a peaceful life (definitely not not a stagnant one) really is the wealthiest person out there.

Just look at all those millions (or maybe billions) Bandić chased through such a restless life—it probably cost him his peace of mind. I mean, once he had enough, he could have traveled the world (there’s so much to see!), hosted some conferences to ramble on about stuff, or even written some funny memoirs... but instead, he just kept chasing more.

Bad motives always seem to lead to some kind of downfall.
It feels like a simple law of nature to me.
That's why I mentioned that true creation has to come from a healthy foundation.
Something that doesn't hurt us or anyone else and actually leaves an inspiring impact.

Kate Fox58 said:Bad motives always lead to some kind of ruin.
It’s just a natural law at this point.
That’s why I argued that true creation has to come from a healthy foundation.
Something that doesn't put us or anyone else at risk—something that actually inspires people.

I don't buy that. Plenty of bad people—even murderers—have been brilliant artists.

briskwalker10 said:I don't think that's quite right. Maybe just not really. Bad. Hey guys, so... maybe? Killers. They were truly incredible artists.

That’s an interesting point. I guess!
Well, I guess I have one too! 😁
Their creation definitely comes from undeniable talent. I guess you could say they’ve got a real gift!
I guess Picasso was just garbage.
But he didn't have a background in law or economics, I guess. Maybe he just winged it?
People mostly remember him for his paintings, I guess.

briskwalker10 said:God, please, am I really going to get dragged into this drama too?

Sure, I'll take every single one of those words to heart. 🥳

Kate Fox58 said:Is there actually anything creative about a struggle, fundamentally?

Kate Fox58 said:Let's look at it this way.
A struggle over territory brings nothing but misery and pain.
A conflict between two women just leads to ridicule.
Fighting for your health is exhausting because you're drained physically, emotionally, and mentally.
Then there's the struggle with oneself... like a painter who can't paint, or a writer who can't write.
And so on.
True creativity comes from a healthy baseline, where surging energy is looking for a way out.
But those are just my thoughts.
That was my first reaction when I saw the title.

Honestly, you answered your own question. Isn't struggle what keeps the world spinning? Can anyone even get through a day without some kind of struggle?
Good vs. evil, within us and around us, the struggle for love, the struggle for sanity, the struggle against toxic influences every day... just like you said. 🙂

Don't spam me. Just talk. Don't come crying to me later about how I phrased things. 🙂

Walter Baker2 said:The only thing worth fighting for is your own peace.

Yeah. 👍

I’m out here in a constant struggle just to make it through my workday—is that actually okay?

Michelle Bennett14 said:Of course, I’m going to take every single word you said and weigh them carefully. 🥳

Basically, you already answered your own question. Isn't the whole struggle what keeps the world turning? I mean, can anyone really get through a single day without some kind of struggle?
Good vs. evil, inside us, all around us—the struggle for love, the struggle for common sense, the struggle against all that toxic daily nonsense... just like you mentioned. 🙂

And please, don't spam. Just talk. Don't come complaining to me later about how I twisted your words. 🙂

Yeah. 👍

I'm not spamming.
I just connected the idea of creativity to the topic you picked.
It actually turned out to be pretty interesting, so we ended up chatting about it for a bit.

Kate Fox58 said:Interesting point.
But I've got one for you. 😁
Their work comes from undeniable talent.
And Picasso was a total piece of trash.
Except he wasn't busy practicing law or crunching numbers for an investment firm.
So people remember him for his paintings...

Yes!

Michelle Bennett14 said:Fine, I'll take every single word you said and dissect it carefully...🥳