2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix: June 23–25

Roger Wright94 said:And I'm guessing Vettel got penalized for that first hit—the one from behind.

No way he got flagged for that one. He got hit with the penalty because he went after Hamilton on purpose—total retaliation...

coastalwolf6 said:You be the judge:

I honestly don't see what the issue is here. 🤔
Hamilton just braked early before the turn, released the brake, and that was that.
That red "brake" light you saw popping up later? That was actually caused by Seb's impact—it wasn't because of how Lewis handled his braking.

On a side note, the timing of Seb's penalty couldn't have been better for him; they called Lewis in for his pit stop first, and only *then* did they penalize Seb. It basically gave Seb a chance to squeeze out an extra lap on a clear track while Lewis was stuck dealing with the traffic.

And, btw, regarding Ricci 🙏 🙏
He had a really solid race—especially during that restart where he managed to sort out two cars in one single move. 🙏

Come on, neonfox65, start pulling for Hamilton already, please.

https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/s...21462329413632
"The Stewards took a look at Hamilton's telemetry following that run-in with Vettel. Turns out he didn't actually lift or hit the brakes. He basically held a steady pace, behaving just like he did during those previous two restarts at that exact same spot on the track."

Seriously though, shouldn't Vettel have been slapped with a black flag for intentionally slamming into another car under the safety car?

Frank Collins85 said:come on neonfox65, start rooting for Hamilton already, please

Saw he’s got a nose ring now—not really my thing...

rustyridge10 said:https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/s...21462329413632
The stewards went over Hamilton's telemetry following the Vettel incident. Turns out, he didn't brake or even really lift. He kept his speed pretty much constant, handling that restart exactly the same way he handled the previous two restarts at that same spot on the track.

Shouldn't Vettel have been hit with a black flag for intentionally crashing into another car under the safety car?

That guy floored it for a few seconds straight, yet people are out here claiming he didn't even lift.🙏🙏🙏🙏

rustyridge10 said:https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/s...21462329413632
The stewards went over Hamilton's telemetry following that mess with Vettel. Turns out, he didn't hit the brakes or even ease off much. He basically held a steady speed, acting exactly the same during that specific restart as he did during the previous two...

Shouldn't Vettel have been slapped with a black flag for intentionally ramming another car under the safety car...?

Here’s the proof that Vettel just isn't paying attention during restarts. Even in regular street traffic, the person behind is always the one at fault...

mellowtiger83 said:I’m honestly about ready to stop following this sport entirely. After those ten seconds being handed out instead of a black flag, there's just no logic left. Intentionally ramming an opponent—DELIBERATELY—gets you slapped with a mere ten-second penalty? Now that German piece of trash is going to feel empowered to flip everyone off and do whatever he wants. Look, I'm not making excuses for Hamilton; if they decide he braked unnecessarily, then fine, take the penalty. But Vettel wtf? That's it for me. My departure from this forum is final. Disgusting.

He didn't brake; the telemetry proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt. So, the picture is crystal clear: Vettel intentionally played games by slowing down twice right in front of the guy ahead. And to top it all off, he did it under the safety car.

rustyridge10 said:I can't believe we're actually seeing this happen—it’s wild... just when you think things have settled down, another bombshell drops. Honestly, it feels like we're watching a slow-motion train wreck sometimes, but I can't look away. Just one thing after another lately—makes you wonder what else is hiding under the surface...
The stewards took a deep dive into Hamilton's telemetry following that mess with Vettel—turns out he didn't actually brake or even really lift off... He pretty much kept his speed steady, behaving exactly the same way during that restart as he did for the previous two restarts at that same spot on the track...

Shouldn't Vettel have been hit with a black flag for intentionally ramming another car under the safety car...?

Vettel is just a total disaster, honestly—first he can't keep his distance, and then he starts acting like he’s untouchable by the refs... what a mess...

There is no way in hell Hamilton was braking there.
https://my.mixtape.moe/xguuzm.webm

Hey everyone—I could really use some help here. Has anyone else placed a bet on Kimi at a place like DraftKings and had it not count towards their winnings? I placed my bet online and was feeling pretty good after the race—thought I’d snagged a little extra cash—only to find out later my ticket was invalid. It says right there: Kimi Raikkonen completed the placement - YES. 🤔🤔

But he actually retired just a few laps before the end, didn't he? Even ESPN.com lists him as a DNF. Does this happen with sportsbooks? Will they actually acknowledge the mistake and fix it?

I’m honestly just as confused as everyone else about how they handle those DNFs. One minute they say the race was 90% complete, and the next, they’re counting it as finished even if the guy pulled out two laps before the checkered flag.

analogpilot16 said:Guys, I could really use some help here. Has anyone dealt with a situation at DraftKings where a bet on Kimi doesn't count as a placement? I placed my bet online and was feeling pretty good after the race; I thought I had a decent little win lined up. Then later, the ticket shows up as invalid, claiming Kimi Raikkonen > achieve his placement. 🤔🤔

He pulled out a few laps before the finish, right? And ESPN.com lists him as DNF. Does this happen with sportsbooks? Will they actually acknowledge the error and fix it?

To put it bluntly: if a driver completes 90% of the race, he has achieved his placement. That’s what the sportsbook rules state. Unfortunately, you just missed the mark.
Tough break, man.

Regarding that link someone posted about the rules for Ferrari:
...Drivers must not drive unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner that could be deemed potentially dangerous to other competitors...

So, I suppose this isn't really addressing braking itself, but rather the danger caused by driving needlessly slow. Coming to an almost complete standstill in a corner is precisely that—an unnecessary, unexpected lapse in judgment that happens to be dangerous.

The officials seem aware of this, just as they likely realized Vettel made a foolish move following that incident. It appears they were watching closely to see how things would unfold, and in an effort to avoid completely ruining the race for everyone, they reached a sort of Solomon's decision where both drivers end up "equally" penalized—one gets a 10-second penalty, while the other has to swap out a headrest, which took about the same amount of time. If they had gone any further with punishing Hamilton, it might have been overkill; he’s already the biggest loser of this race, and I guess he’s largely responsible for that himself...

James Harris34 said:Here's proof that Vettel just isn't paying attention during restarts. Plus, everyone knows the rules—in normal traffic, the guy behind is always the one at fault.

Maybe in normal traffic,
But try cutting into the passing lane on the highway at 19 miles/h and then claiming the guy behind you is at fault after he rear-ends you. 😁
In Formula 1, it’s definitely not always the driver behind, especially not with a move like Hamilton's...

Hamilton's move is a textbook example of why you get penalized, regardless of whatever nonsense the British media tries to spin about it... the rules cover this clearly, even if they failed to actually hand out a penalty here.

The rules are crystal clear and definitely don't allow that kind of driving. Just watch the replay of the other cars behind him; half the field almost got wiped out because of Hamilton's antics. And then you've got brave little Lujo whining over the team radio about how the SC is too slow and how they should have called a VSC instead because the SC is just pathetic... basically, he was driving so slow he'd probably be banned from entering an interstate in regular traffic. 🤣

James Walker57 said:I’m also a bit confused by how they handle those retirements—it just doesn't seem consistent. One moment they'll count the race as 90% complete, and then suddenly they’ll rule that a driver officially finished even if they actually DNF'd just two laps before the checkered flag. It's all a bit murky—honestly, I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.

mellowtiger83 said:To put it simply—if a driver completes 90% of the race, they’ve officially secured their finishing position. It’s right there in the sportsbook's rules—unfortunately, you just missed this one.
Man, I tell ya—it is what it is.

I honestly can't believe it—today has been nothing but pure frustration. 🤣🙄 It actually makes perfect sense—either you finish the race and get a result, or you don't. If it’s an official DNF, it means you didn't cross that line, which means there's no placement to speak of. It is what it is—can't force it.

So, 90% of 51 laps is 45.9—and he drops out on lap 46? Hah! You've got to be kidding me. Honestly, I am just over Ferrari and Kimi Raikkonen at this point. I mean, what were they even doing—just stumbling back onto the track after that red flag? Simply unbelievable.

https://soundcloud.com/miezicat/baku...i-shouting-for

And besides, has there been any actual update regarding the investigation into the collision between Valtteri Bottas and Kimi Raikkonen? It certainly appeared to me that Kimi Raikkonen had already overtaken him...

Intentionally ramming an opponent? That's an instant black flag

Richard Green73 said:Also, any update on that investigation into the Bottas vs. Raikkonen thing? Felt like Raikkonen had already cleared him

It happened...
Once they realized Raikkonen wasn't at fault, they just labeled it a racing incident...
Since the Mercedes driver can't be blamed anyway, there was zero point in investigating further🙂

stormycobra27 said:From that link someone posted about the Safety Car rules:
...Drivers must not drive unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner that could be deemed potentially dangerous to other competitors...

So we aren't talking about braking itself, but rather the danger caused by driving needlessly slow. Almost coming to a dead stop in a corner is exactly that—unnecessary, unexpected stupidity that’s actually dangerous.

The officials know this, just like they knew Sebastian Vettel made a dumb move right after. They clearly watched what was happening and, instead of wrecking the race for everyone, they came up with some sort of "middle ground" solution where both guys get "equally" screwed—one gets a 10s penalty and the other has to swap out a headrest, which took about the same amount of time. If they had penalized Lewis Hamilton any further, it would have been overkill. He’s already the biggest loser of this race, and honestly, he's the one who brought it on himself...

Exactly...👍

Basically, if you look at the whole thing, the entire race was just one big scripted drama staged by the FIA. If they hadn't pulled that, it would've been a total snooze-fest, but hey, it made for a "great" race. 🤣

Em's penalties were just nonsense designed to create a little tension...
And the Safety Car coming out was a joke; half of that could've easily been handled under a VSC without any drama...
Not to mention, if a red flag had dropped, Pirelli would've probably embarrassed themselves again with their tires, just like they did in Monaco. Peak performance right there. 🙏

Though the best part was definitely Alonso's "it's a shame, we could have won this" comment after Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel blew past him. 😁