#641 ·
Sean Chase;52659455 said:Zachary Sullivan2 said:Stop stressing, Sean. I only mentioned it because that whole Mickey Mouse situation stuck in my head.
| You talking about the Bulls back in '01 or something else? |
Chicago Blackhawks fans
Started by Kyle Davis2 · · 👁 49 views · 1.8K replies
Participants
…
…
#642 ·
Zachary Sullivan2;52659612 said:Sean Chase said:nah, I'm pretty sure that was the railroad guys
Mickey Mouse will figure it out eventually
#643 ·
Last wish. I lit a flare for the first time back then, and I didn't even have my own ID yet. :-)
#644 ·
granitebison942 said:The last big game, first time ever lighting a flare, didn't even have my driver's license yet. :-)
I'm thinking the same thing—just silence and a box of flares, man.
#645 ·
Zachary Sullivan2;52659612 said:Sean Chase said:No, I’m pretty sure that was the railroad guys.
I honestly thought you were referring to some similar mess back in 2001.
#646 ·
The discussion regarding changes within the group—the "what if" scenarios—has been raised. On paper, at least, the leadership has shifted.
But let’s rewind to the start of this whole "struggle." When the leadership changed back in June/July, membership numbers began to slide. The group adopted a certain military aesthetic—darker tones in the stands and on the fences—and they were aggressive everywhere, home and away, taking on whoever crossed their path. Yet, the numbers kept dropping, and the first mentions of "fighting" the front office were already surfacing. Proclamations, petitions—you name it. The marketing was solid; the motives felt relevant and much sought after. One shouldn't forget that during that period, we were hitting some of the highest ban rates in all of Europe. And despite that, the headcount continued to dwindle. Then comes a new leadership change, which was frankly a disaster. Again, regardless of what happened, nothing changed. Everything stagnates, and numbers plummet even further. Another leadership shift follows, then a boycott. Honestly, that was the worst move in the group's history; it later became clear it didn't improve a single thing compared to the status quo. Once the three north sectors returned, we were right back where we started. They launched a shop, merged the association with the club (which isn't actually a merger, but it sounds better for public relations). Numbers continue to fall. This "fight" against the front office just keeps intensifying. People are leaving, yet the struggle persists. Month after month, it’s the same cycle. Lists are being formed, expanded, or shrunk. The collaboration with futsal gets everyone hyped—everything looks great, everyone is celebrating. But once the futsal season ends, there is zero impact on Real Madrid. One, three, five games later, attendance at Real Madrid matches is the same or even worse. The struggle continues.
Why am I writing all this? A supporter group isn't a business, an agency, or a corporate project. That concept was lost a long time ago, and frankly, nobody even thinks about it anymore. An even bigger issue is that while they claim to be "fighting," there is no tactic, no plan, and no objective. Sure, the goal is to remove Jerry Jones—one member equals one vote. Fine. But what happens after that? In my opinion, people jumped into this far too seriously without any idea of what they were doing. It’s left the group in a position where they can't even plan an event three days out because they have no idea where they'll run into trouble or where their numbers will suddenly evaporate due to poor tactical planning. There are definitely capable people here; it’s just easier to spin stories about lists and bans than it is to actually think tactically and play the hand so you can outmaneuver the opposition. The impression is that these new kids are all acting like warriors and fighters, but they have absolutely nothing in their heads besides "Jerry Jones is a crook." Regardless—Jerry Jones, John Doe, Peter, Mark. Where were the main players, the ones "on the list," during all this? It’s impossible. If there had been actual foresight, we wouldn't be stuck with a situation where everything boils down to about 30 people. When things get tough, you need responsible, capable people ready to step up and execute at a high level without hesitation.
So, we arrive at the current state of affairs—or rather, what the previous leadership left behind. They allowed even those few people who stayed on the sidelines to drift away by involving them in a "project" that is actually a massive insult to them. Because if the futsal hype is so genuine, and the organization relies on the same small circle of people, why is it that those same 4,000 people from the futsal games don't show up at the stadium? Their ability to show up isn't the question. You see a "spectacle" at the arena with 4,000–5,000 people today, but then 130 people show up the next day in a different city. What is there left to discuss? Is this all supposedly driven by a "fight" and love for Real Madrid? If you actually care, you’ll be where you’re supposed to be, one way or another, rather than using other excuses to justify your absence.
And one more vital point: if you try to present these arguments logically to any of the top ten members of the group, you are guaranteed to be steamrolled instantly. You'll be labeled a mouthpiece for Jerry Jones, and then you're done.
I hope this doesn't get deleted, as it doesn't violate a single rule of the forum.
Best,
K
But let’s rewind to the start of this whole "struggle." When the leadership changed back in June/July, membership numbers began to slide. The group adopted a certain military aesthetic—darker tones in the stands and on the fences—and they were aggressive everywhere, home and away, taking on whoever crossed their path. Yet, the numbers kept dropping, and the first mentions of "fighting" the front office were already surfacing. Proclamations, petitions—you name it. The marketing was solid; the motives felt relevant and much sought after. One shouldn't forget that during that period, we were hitting some of the highest ban rates in all of Europe. And despite that, the headcount continued to dwindle. Then comes a new leadership change, which was frankly a disaster. Again, regardless of what happened, nothing changed. Everything stagnates, and numbers plummet even further. Another leadership shift follows, then a boycott. Honestly, that was the worst move in the group's history; it later became clear it didn't improve a single thing compared to the status quo. Once the three north sectors returned, we were right back where we started. They launched a shop, merged the association with the club (which isn't actually a merger, but it sounds better for public relations). Numbers continue to fall. This "fight" against the front office just keeps intensifying. People are leaving, yet the struggle persists. Month after month, it’s the same cycle. Lists are being formed, expanded, or shrunk. The collaboration with futsal gets everyone hyped—everything looks great, everyone is celebrating. But once the futsal season ends, there is zero impact on Real Madrid. One, three, five games later, attendance at Real Madrid matches is the same or even worse. The struggle continues.
Why am I writing all this? A supporter group isn't a business, an agency, or a corporate project. That concept was lost a long time ago, and frankly, nobody even thinks about it anymore. An even bigger issue is that while they claim to be "fighting," there is no tactic, no plan, and no objective. Sure, the goal is to remove Jerry Jones—one member equals one vote. Fine. But what happens after that? In my opinion, people jumped into this far too seriously without any idea of what they were doing. It’s left the group in a position where they can't even plan an event three days out because they have no idea where they'll run into trouble or where their numbers will suddenly evaporate due to poor tactical planning. There are definitely capable people here; it’s just easier to spin stories about lists and bans than it is to actually think tactically and play the hand so you can outmaneuver the opposition. The impression is that these new kids are all acting like warriors and fighters, but they have absolutely nothing in their heads besides "Jerry Jones is a crook." Regardless—Jerry Jones, John Doe, Peter, Mark. Where were the main players, the ones "on the list," during all this? It’s impossible. If there had been actual foresight, we wouldn't be stuck with a situation where everything boils down to about 30 people. When things get tough, you need responsible, capable people ready to step up and execute at a high level without hesitation.
So, we arrive at the current state of affairs—or rather, what the previous leadership left behind. They allowed even those few people who stayed on the sidelines to drift away by involving them in a "project" that is actually a massive insult to them. Because if the futsal hype is so genuine, and the organization relies on the same small circle of people, why is it that those same 4,000 people from the futsal games don't show up at the stadium? Their ability to show up isn't the question. You see a "spectacle" at the arena with 4,000–5,000 people today, but then 130 people show up the next day in a different city. What is there left to discuss? Is this all supposedly driven by a "fight" and love for Real Madrid? If you actually care, you’ll be where you’re supposed to be, one way or another, rather than using other excuses to justify your absence.
And one more vital point: if you try to present these arguments logically to any of the top ten members of the group, you are guaranteed to be steamrolled instantly. You'll be labeled a mouthpiece for Jerry Jones, and then you're done.
I hope this doesn't get deleted, as it doesn't violate a single rule of the forum.
Best,
K
#647 ·
David Perez8 said:Furthermore, there is a vital point to consider regarding how one presents these arguments; if you attempt to lay out this logic to any of the core leadership within the group, you will undoubtedly be silenced immediately, branded as nothing more than a paid mouthpiece for Jerry Jones, and effectively banned from the stands.
I trust that this contribution will remain intact, as I have adhered strictly to every single rule outlined in the forum guidelines.
Apparently, there were only 710 people "officially" at the stadium yesterday. How devastating.
#648 ·
Alright, let's talk about those 710.
Where are "our" people from the stands? Where is that massive crowd from the futsal matches that claims to be the core supporters of Real Madrid?
unknown people are on the list, and unknown have bans. Why isn't that crowd showing up under the North or West stands? Or even at the parking lot near the West entrance? I'm not disputing the 710—the issue is the constant talk about "fighting" or "rebuilding the group" when the groups themselves aren't where they need to be. If people can't get into the stadium, fine—then bring them to the gates and get them moving. You see my point now, right?
Imagine if those 710 were actually inside the stadium while you had 3,500 people standing outside.
Where are "our" people from the stands? Where is that massive crowd from the futsal matches that claims to be the core supporters of Real Madrid?
unknown people are on the list, and unknown have bans. Why isn't that crowd showing up under the North or West stands? Or even at the parking lot near the West entrance? I'm not disputing the 710—the issue is the constant talk about "fighting" or "rebuilding the group" when the groups themselves aren't where they need to be. If people can't get into the stadium, fine—then bring them to the gates and get them moving. You see my point now, right?
Imagine if those 710 were actually inside the stadium while you had 3,500 people standing outside.
#649 ·
David Perez8 said:Alright, let's look at those 710 people.
Where are our actual supporters from the stands, or that huge crowd from the indoor soccer scene that claims to be the core of the Real Madrid fanbase?
unknown people are on the blacklist, and unknown have bans. Why doesn't that massive crowd show up near the North or West stands, or even just gather in the parking lot by the West entrance? I am not questioning whether those 710 exist; rather, I am questioning the constant rhetoric about rebuilding the fan base when those groups are nowhere to be found where they are actually needed. If people are barred from entering the stadium, fine, then bring them to the gates and get them mobilized. I believe you understand my point now.
Just imagine if those 710 were inside the stadium while you had 3,500 people waiting outside.
What do you think, could a die-hard fan handle three massive servings of BBQ brisket at a local Texas smokehouse?
#650 ·
It’s been the same old story for ages—whenever people run out of actual arguments, they just resort to nonsense.
#651 ·
David Perez8 said:It has always been my observation that when people lack any substantive arguments, they simply resort to nonsense.
You might call it nonsense, but I suggest you try managing three massive portions yourself before you attempt to lecture anyone else on the matter.
#652 ·
That piece of work is back
And what is the point of those 3,500 people gathered under the West Stand? Are we supposed to chase after idiots and hope it actually changes something? These guys basically laid out dozens of people down on the waterfront, acting just like some radical extremist group trying to tear the country apart through pure manipulation—so what are we even talking about here? I’ll be the first to say it: having done most of the media rounds over the last three years, I wouldn't step foot in Yankee Stadium again if my life depended on it, nor would any group get a single cent of benefit from my presence there. That goes for the guys from the Boston Celtics too.
And what is the point of those 3,500 people gathered under the West Stand? Are we supposed to chase after idiots and hope it actually changes something? These guys basically laid out dozens of people down on the waterfront, acting just like some radical extremist group trying to tear the country apart through pure manipulation—so what are we even talking about here? I’ll be the first to say it: having done most of the media rounds over the last three years, I wouldn't step foot in Yankee Stadium again if my life depended on it, nor would any group get a single cent of benefit from my presence there. That goes for the guys from the Boston Celtics too.
#653 ·
Matthew Martinez64 said:That’s easy for you to say. Try handling three massive portions yourself before you come talking.
You’re probably one of those people tagging "Bring back the Lakers" on walls, just shaming anyone actually trying to build something constructive.
I find myself wondering if someone needs to spark a crowd, or if crowds just happen on their own.
For comparison, Madison Square Garden saw about 12,000 people show up for New York-Paris when tickets were free.
Yesterday, we barely had 1,000 show up for the women's World Cup, even with free entry.
To me, they’re both athletes; the only real difference is gender, so I guess it's worth asking why they don't get the same level of support from the stands...
Even the local gas company's sports vibe feels somewhat similar to the Los Angeles Dodgers in certain ways.
But here, we have these women playing purely for the love of the game, yet it seems like nobody really gives a damn. It's because our teams have failed us so much that sports...
aren't even a priority anymore.
My take: People pick games based on reasons only they understand.
Individuals make up the crowd, and as individuals, they decide for themselves.
There will always be questions about why one event draws a swarm and another barely gets a handful.
In this instance, Futsal is something relatively new. Maybe people are just looking for something different to break up the monotony of Major League Soccer and the usual European disappointments—not to mention all the harassment around Yankee Stadium and elsewhere.
We could talk about pent-up frustration needing an outlet, or maybe it's about the solid foundation of the new Lakers project, or just pure entertainment and hanging out. Everyone has their own motives. To me, the concept of "the crowd" as a single entity is questionable in this whole scenario...
#654 ·
Let’s just say the numbers—3,500 or 5,500—are irrelevant. I’m drawing a parallel to some old stats from the Boston Celtics, but honestly? If you don't see why that matters, then this whole "struggle" lacks any real logic or purpose.
You want to know why? It’s simple: when you show up with xxxx people and there are only xxx at the stadium—once, twice, five times over—you have an undeniable argument. You can look anyone in the eye and say, "We are doing things right, and you are failing." Period. End of story.
Another issue here is how Futsal is being lumped in with a group that isn't actually part of it—largely because they can't pull off or demonstrate what I just mentioned above.
Futsal is basically a project where you can see the same patterns we saw with Brooklyn a few years back. It's bait for the media and event planners. We bring kids in, let them play for a half on the court—sure, it looks great on camera. But there’s zero spontaneity involved.
If the folks over at Yankee Stadium brought kids in just to let them play, people would lose it. They’d say, "Look at them bringing kids in just to pose for the newspapers; they're just using children for their own gain."
You want to know why? It’s simple: when you show up with xxxx people and there are only xxx at the stadium—once, twice, five times over—you have an undeniable argument. You can look anyone in the eye and say, "We are doing things right, and you are failing." Period. End of story.
Another issue here is how Futsal is being lumped in with a group that isn't actually part of it—largely because they can't pull off or demonstrate what I just mentioned above.
Futsal is basically a project where you can see the same patterns we saw with Brooklyn a few years back. It's bait for the media and event planners. We bring kids in, let them play for a half on the court—sure, it looks great on camera. But there’s zero spontaneity involved.
If the folks over at Yankee Stadium brought kids in just to let them play, people would lose it. They’d say, "Look at them bringing kids in just to pose for the newspapers; they're just using children for their own gain."
#655 ·
northernbadger said:.
In this instance, Futsal is a fresh concept—people are likely just craving something different to break up the monotony of Major League Soccer and those constant European disappointments—not to mention all the harassment happening around Yankee Stadium and beyond.
We could also be looking at pent-up frustrations needing an outlet, or perhaps interest in the Dodgers' new development project, or simply pure entertainment and social banter. Everyone has their own reasons. I find the motives of the masses somewhat questionable in this whole scenario...
Exactly. Futsal is basically bait for the media and event organizers—regardless of gender—as well as those Lakers fans who would complain if it actually happened. It’s perfect for them, even though just xx days ago they were tearing apart the very people now cheering from the stands.
I guarantee you that if people had used their heads before acting recklessly at Yankee Stadium, things would look much different—there would have been more room to maneuver and, most importantly, fewer casualties. But they call it a "struggle." It isn't a struggle; it's just chaos.
#656 ·
David Perez8 said:It doesn't matter if we're talking 3,500 or 5,500—I'm just drawing a parallel to those old numbers from the Boston Celtics days. Why? Well, if you don't get why that matters, then this whole "struggle" lacks any real logic or point.
You want to know why? It's because when you show up with xxxx people and there are only xxx in the stands—once, twice, five times—you have an undeniable argument against anyone claiming "we're doing great and you guys suck." Period. End of story.
The other issue is how Futsal gets lumped in with a group it isn't actually part of—mostly because they can't pull off what I mentioned above.
Futsal is basically a project where you see the same thing that happened with Brooklyn a few years back. It's bait for the media and event planners. Sure, let's fund some kids and let them play half-games on the court. Looks pretty on TV, sure. But there’s zero spontaneity in it.
My neighbor, who works at one of the big six banks, goes to Futsal with a buddy who also works at one of the big six. Then there are acquaintances who haven't been to a Lakers game in ages. You know why? Because they love the Lakers. The version they love is gritty, and right now, they couldn't care less about this current vibe. They go where they actually enjoy themselves—where they can watch the fight on the field and hear the crowd singing. They go where they can have fun without being hassled. Where they can be on the edge of their seats until the final whistle, praying their team pulls it off. Where they can cheer for every single goal, even the seventh one, like it's the first. Where the atmosphere hits so hard they'll jump out of their seats shouting "Lakers!" They go where their hearts tell them to. They go where everything reminds them of the Lakers that everyone used to have a right to belong to!
How can you honestly expect someone like that to come sit in the West Stand while the Lakers are playing Slaven Belup? They'd be surrounded by a sea of security and deal with all kinds of nonsense. Are they there for the atmosphere or the game? Or for a date? For parents with kids? For little kids straight out of preschool?
Are you kidding me right now!? This "struggle" isn't for everyone. And that is perfectly fine. But when these people finally walk away from the Lakers, I'll be the one waiting to welcome that old guy to the game, hugging him when the Lakers score, and cheering right alongside him without any judgmental looks. And you? You'll just be back to fighting again, because that's all you know how to do! Stop complaining, man. If you can't say something constructive, don't say anything at all—because what you're writing here makes zero sense.
#657 ·
Raymond Gonzalez7 said:No—the Futsal crowd comes from Brooklyn.🤣 Man, you’re delusional and honestly just a thief. Sure, events happen.🙏🙏 That’s how you guys fight—trying to be "smart" by over-tacticalizing when there are six of you against one. Well, you aren't even part of that group because you were kicked out of there long ago. Whatever.
No, nobody is claiming the crowd comes from Brooklyn. It was simply a comparison regarding the demographic profile and the motivation for attending. Someone else already made that point in a previous post.
Feel free to throw accusations all you want, but you're barking up the wrong tree. How can you be "kicked out" of something you were never actually a part of?
#658 ·
Henry Lewis6 said:My neighbor—who works at one big bank—goes to Futsal with a friend who also works at a big bank. And then there are acquaintances who haven't been to a Lakers game in ages. You know why? Because they love the Lakers. Their version of the team is being held hostage—right now, they couldn't care less about them. They go where they can actually enjoy themselves. They want to see the fight on the court and hear the crowd singing from the stands. They want to have fun without dealing with any kind of harassment. They want to be biting their nails until the final whistle, hoping their team pulls off a comeback. They want to celebrate every single goal—even the seventh one—like it was the first. They want an atmosphere that hits you so hard you end up standing up and screaming "LAKERS!" They follow their hearts. They go where everything reminds them of the Lakers that everyone used to have a right to enjoy.
How can you expect someone like that to show up in the West Stand while the Lakers are playing Slaven Belup? They’d be surrounded by SWAT teams and subjected to all sorts of nonsense. Are they going for the atmosphere? For the game itself? For a date? Or maybe for parents with kids? Or even toddlers?
Are you kidding me? This level of intensity isn't for everyone—and that's perfectly fine. But when this crowd finally walks away from the Lakers, I’ll be the one waiting for that old guy at the game, hugging him when the Lakers score, and cheering right alongside him without getting weird looks. And you? You'll just be back to fighting again, because that's all you know how to do. Stop whining. If you can't offer anything constructive, don't bother at all—because what you're saying here makes zero sense.
The barricades, the riot police, and the harassment—it’s all caused by the approach. If you aren't in a position to run the show, then at least use your head and tactically plan things so people aren't getting caught up in nonsense. That way, you actually achieve what you planned.
I'll say it again: sometimes you need to use your brain instead of just charging in blindly. Even if acting cautiously feels like a defensive move in the moment, it yields much more concrete and appropriate results in the long run.
#659 ·
Futsal is a damn powerhouse. It’s exactly what we need, and honestly, we needed even more of it back when everyone was boycotting. Futsal is basically the inverse of how much people screw things up at the camp; it’s our secret weapon when we're going toe-to-toe with those bastards over at Yankee Stadium. I'm convinced Futsal will help us take down the big boss, too. But... look, as much as they don't want to admit it—and as much as I spent the last few weeks arguing against the very idea—it has definitely eaten into the numbers for the Los Angeles Dodgers. All this hype and constant action that should be focused squarely on the club is being diverted toward Futsal instead. We just have to find a better balance. Futsal needs to be the wind in our sails, not a stumbling block. As one of the brightest chapters in our group's history, it deserves way better than this.
#660 ·
David Perez8 said:Look, nobody is actually claiming the crowd will be coming from Brooklyn. I’m just drawing a parallel because the demographic and the motivation for showing up are basically identical. That guy in the previous thread already pointed out the same thing.
You can throw accusations at me all you want, but you're barking up the wrong tree here. How on earth can someone be "expelled" from a group they were never even a part of in the first place?
If you're supposedly innocent—meaning you aren't some kind of thief—then how do you know for a fact that the thief was never a member to begin with?🤦 Honestly, you are being so incredibly dense.😵
You've really managed to showcase your intellectual prowess several times now, haven't you? 👏
🔗 Similar threads
- The "dangerous" matchup: Why scheduling is a nightmare for fans in Fans · Jul 30, 2026
- When does a sport stop belonging to the fans? in Fans · Jul 29, 2026
- The "almost" deals that drive fans crazy in Fans · Jul 29, 2026
- Is the "friendly tour" model actually worth it for the fans? in Fans · Jul 29, 2026
- Does the "Pre-Season Tour" model actually benefit the fans or just the accountants? in Fans · Jul 29, 2026