2014 British Grand Prix at Silverstone (July 6)

Williams could honestly build two monuments at this point.

One for Mercedes's ability to produce an engine that’s basically underpowered.
And one for McLaren's complete inability to develop their car.

I honestly think Williams and McLaren aren't running the exact same engines. It feels more like Williams is getting something a bit punchier—maybe even better spec—while McLaren is just struggling through their final year of this current deal...

neonfox65 said:I honestly think Williams and McLaren aren't running the same engines. It feels like Williams is getting something much more competitive, while McLaren is just getting screwed over in their final year.

You guys are on the right track. Very close to the mark.

Hey everyone...

It used to be pretty common practice for the B-teams to pick up engines from the previous season. Back then, there was actually a performance gap, but the B-teams often held an edge in reliability because they were working with "old" engines where all the kinks had already been worked out—no more weak spots, just solid consistency. But that’s not the case now. We’re looking at a brand-new engine development this year with no legacy parts to lean on... And let's be real, Formula 1 results aren't just about the power unit. Aerodynamics used to account for maybe 40% of the equation, but nowadays, you have to factor in DRS and all those other technical nuances too. It isn't like a single engine performs identically whether it's sitting in a Williams or a McLaren... They just aren't the same. You can see that clearly in the recent race results. Massa didn't have much luck, and he really is a fantastic driver...

Is Mlaen going to drop some appropriately dramatic little article with a predictably pathetic headline?

Jason Campbell70 said:Is Mlaen actually going to drop some appropriately pathetic little article with an equally dramatic headline?

Nah, not happening. The site's completely dead. ☕

Jason Campbell70 said:Is Mlaen going to drop some suitably pathetic little article next?

Look, Mlađo actually achieved something in Formula 1, regardless of how much you might want to mock him.
I can't think of anything you—or even I—have done that has had any actual impact on anyone in the Formula 1 business.

neonfox65 said:Forget that whining from Tibija; Ricciardo’s just gonna slap him around. 😁

Is it true that Ricciardo's actually better?
It’s an objective fact: Vettel is having his absolute worst season in Formula 1 yet. He basically just drove through a race with nothing but atrocious tactics to back him up.
Even in a garbage season like this one, and after a total disaster of a race, he still manages to outshine the Maestro. 🤣

Honestly, even Vettel's worst day at the office is still better than the maestro's absolute peak.
Keep on complaining if it makes you feel better.🙂

Bravo Bottas 🙏

I must admit, I was quite worried that Kimi might have suffered some sort of mechanical failure or perhaps an injury, but thankfully, it seems everything is perfectly fine.

stormybadger8 said:Is it actually true that Ricciardo is the better driver?
It’s an undeniable reality that Vettel is currently enduring his absolute worst season in Formula 1—it’s just plain facts at this point—and having to watch him grind through a race with such catastrophically bad strategy... honestly, it's painful to witness.
Even in a season this rough—and let’s be honest, that race was a total disaster—he still manages to come out on top against Vettel's maestro. It's just wild. 🤣

Honestly, even Vettel's absolute worst day at the office still looks better than the maestro's best...
And you all just keep on whining, I suppose.🙂

Ha! Of course. We’re all just going to pretend Vettel's strategy was the only thing that went sideways—as if that explains everything—while completely ignoring what happened with Alonso? Please. Did he somehow manage to drive a flawless race and nail his qualifying sessions while everyone else was struggling? I highly doubt it.

Hold up!

So, what do we actually call someone who gets played by a quadruple betrayal? 🤷

Honestly, that’s the only thing I’m still chewing on after yesterday's race. ☕

Otherwise, the whole thing was a total snooze fest, aside from that one duel I mentioned.

p.s.
I just missed out on a top spot in the predictions by a hair.

Timothy Castillo6 said:So, what do we call someone who actually falls for a quadruple cross? 🤷

A scam within a scam 🤷

stormybadger8 said:It’s true that Ricciardo is better...
But it’s also a fact that Vettel is having his worst Formula 1 season ever, driving a race with absolutely trashed tactics,
and even in a season this bad and a race this messy, he still managed to outdrive the Maestro at the end of the day.🤣

So yeah, Vettel's absolute worst is still better than the Maestro's best...
But hey, you guys just keep telling yourselves that.🙂

Vettel is having a rough season, but is it his absolute worst? Who knows, it's still too early in his career to call it. Personally? I think we’re looking at a downward spiral with no brakes in sight...

In my opinion, given the gear he was working with, he drove that race worse than Alonso did. @darkmarlin16/">@@darkmarlin16's chart shows it clearly: the guy defended his starting spot. Actually, he didn't just defend it—he fought tooth and nail to get it back.
The Maestro definitely had better days, but the reality is he’s squeezing everything he can out of what he's got right now, and it’s hard to ask for more. He’s driving a fancy Ford built out of cheap knock-off parts, with a pit crew of happy Italians—you won't find a worse combo in all of space. Yesterday, despite his starting position and that penalty... he was actually competitive with Vettel. Sure, looking at the final results, both of them might be hiding behind Bottas, but purely in terms of driving, their battle was the highlight of the race. It was a masterclass: the attacks, the defensive lines, using the ERS, the braking, the sheer grit... I used to watch kids clashing on the grid every single race; nowadays, you wait half a season for one real fight like that...
Honestly, I don't care who cruises onto the podium, how many points they have, or how many titles they've grabbed because their car was just superior.
I watch races to see driving, overtakes, people fighting back, and driver reactions—not to see how much money some energy drink manufacturer can pull from a bank or some semi-private dynasty.

Formula 1 has naturally turned into a controlled war between brands, where the drivers are basically just luggage: watch the fuel, watch the tires, watch the engine, feed the animals, and don't touch anything. Rosberg got screwed because he didn't have a full keyboard on his steering wheel for a Ctrl-Alt-Del, and his reset button is under the hood. Vettel is just a top-tier corporate product—a perfect example of how a great PR department can boost the value of an average product.

For me, Alonso showed way more skill than Vettel yesterday. Even if this keeps happening until the end of the season and Vettel finishes ahead of him every single race, I truly don't care.

stormybadger8 said:Sure, Ricciardo might be better right now...
But it’s also true that even during Vettel's absolute worst season in Formula 1—where he's stuck dealing with pathetic team tactics—
he still manages to outdrive the maestro at the end of the day... 🤣

Basically, Vettel's worst is still better than the maestro's best...
So go ahead, keep comforting yourselves if you want...🙂

Looks like you're the one doing the comforting here. 🙂What does Alonso have to do with Ricciardo getting scammed? Alonso is driving a car that sits third in the constructors' standings behind Red Bull, so obviously he's going to finish behind them.

neonfox65 said:It feels like you're reaching here... 🙂 What does Alonso have to do with Ricciardo getting scammed? Alonso is driving a car that sits third in the constructors' standings, right behind Red Bull, so of course they’re going to finish behind them.

Williams is right behind them in the standings. So, is it suddenly "normal" for Williams to finish ahead of them?

Williams stepped it up—they're actually looking faster than Red Bull now...

neonfox65 said:Williams stepped it up—they're actually faster than Red Bull now.

Massa is basically acting as their brake pedal at this point. I mean, what can he actually contribute besides spilling nonsense while claiming things are back on track when they clearly aren't? I have no idea what kind of contract he’s sitting on with Williams, but wouldn't it be better if they brought in some fresh blood—someone like Valtteri Bottas? It seems like the younger guys are handling these new cars way better than the veterans anyway. It’s pretty obvious these cars have changed so much that "old timers" don't get any advantage from their experience anymore, whereas the new talent actually shows some hunger, which is just how it works...

cosmiccyclist8 said:Massa is just holding them back at this point. He could mess up before you even finish a sentence... I don't know what kind of deal he's got with Williams, but honestly, wouldn't it be better to bring in some fresh talent like Bottas? The younger guys seem to handle these new cars way better than the veterans. It’s obvious the cars have changed so much that experience doesn't give the "old guard" any sort of edge anymore... and the new blood actually looks like they want to be there, which is how it should be...

Massa just hasn't had any luck this season...

but if you ask me, he handled that near-miss with Kimi perfectly...

But man, the guy just can't catch a break—it’s the same story, season after season. I’m positive he’s got way more talent and technical skill than his results actually show, but damn, he’s going to retire without ever having even one single decent season under his belt... you know, one where he actually hit pretty close to his actual ceiling.

Raymond Anderson4 said:Junior actually accomplished something in Formula 1, regardless of how much you might try to mock him.
I suppose one could ask what you, or even I, have achieved that has had any actual impact on anyone within the Formula 1 business.

What are you even talking about?

Mocking Jergović seems misplaced; he essentially mocks himself.

I'm not sure what your issue is—perhaps it's his commentary on the races and qualifying sessions, which seems to be almost entirely lifted from Sky Sports F1 and Autosport.com.

Literally.😂🤣☕