2014 British Grand Prix at Silverstone (July 6)

neonfox65 said:It looks to me like you're reaching. 🙂What does Alonso have to do with Ricciardo's fraud scandal? Alonso is driving a car that sits third in the constructors' standings behind Red Bull, so obviously he's going to finish behind them.

Aside from the tiny detail that the Ferrari is actually faster than the Red Bull...
You're forgetting the fact that Kimi is in a complete mess and Ferrari is effectively the second strongest team on the grid.😁

stormybadger8 said:Aside from the minor detail that the Ferrari is a better car than the Red Bull...
You’re forgetting the fact that Kimi is in a complete mess right now, and honestly, Ferrari is basically just the second-fastest team on the grid. 😁

Let's go.

stormybadger8 said:Aside from the small detail that the Ferrari is actually a better car than the Red Bull...
You're overlooking the fact that Kimi is in a complete mess right now, and honestly, Ferrari is basically the second strongest team on the grid. 😁

Maybe Ferrari will have the edge at Monza, or perhaps Spa.

Tyler Bennett5 said:What’s the point in reading all these posts about some
battle for 5th or 6th place? If anyone gets it, it's me. Who actually finds joy
in seeing their favorite driver or team scrape together a 5th or 6th place finish?

It doesn't matter what position they're fighting for.
You watch Formula 1 for those specific moments.

cosmiccyclist8 said:But he just has zero luck, season after season. I'm certain he has more skill and talent than his results show, but damn, he'll retire without ever having one single season where he truly reached his absolute potential... or even came close.

Felipe Massa was just unlucky.
He lost a championship because of other people's mistakes, and he was knocked out of races more times than he deserved.
Not to mention that collision with the FIA official in Canada back in '09.

Just bad luck. Pure bad luck.

stormybadger8 said:Aside from the fact that the Ferrari is faster than the Red Bull...
You're forgetting that Kimi is in a complete mess right now and that Ferrari is realistically the second strongest team.😁

Yeah, you can say that again.

stormybadger8 said:Aside from the tiny detail that the Ferrari is a better car than the Red Bull...
You're forgetting the fact that Kimi is in a complete mess right now and that Ferrari is realistically the second strongest team on the grid 😁

...and then the squirrel wrapped up the chocolate...
Red Bull is both better and more broken than this version of Ferrari, which is totally screwed, and they'll stay that way as long as this crew of incompetents keeps messing around at Scuderia.
Once they actually come up with a new Jean Todt, steal some Ross Brawn substitute from someone like Benetton, and finally find a relatively young, gritty driver who's hungry for blood and glory instead of just a paycheck, maybe they'll be something... until then, just call it quits.
It seems like Ferrari's destiny is to have these cyclical bursts of dominance every few years when the stars align, but in between, they're just Formula 1 folklore. Maybe that's for the best—Ferrari is synonymous with Formula 1. They have their moments, punctuated by brief flashes of brilliance so the sport doesn't become a private playground.
People cheer for them whether Jean Alesi, Didier Tambay, or Gerhard Alboreto is behind the wheel; it’s not even about driving skill anymore, it’s pure Formula 1 iconography.

Red Bull has definitely shattered the myth of charismatic Formula 1 teams. These massive corporations with zero connection to actual car culture just throw money around and buy whatever they want (except maybe Toyota, obviously!), including breeding their own drivers in a private incubator. It's like they're growing a hybrid corn crop: one year they want some young guy with specific traits, the next it's some Latino kid...

So, honestly, starting debates like "is Red Bull better than Ferrari?" is just pointless. I'm down for Ferrari vs Lotus, vs Williams, vs McLaren, or even Mercedes, but Red Bull? No thanks. At this rate, they'll probably pivot to an Air race, a submarine race, or seeing who hits Mars first—anything they can milk for marketing. They'll leave a mark on Formula 1, sure, but for true automotive enthusiasts, they're about as relevant as Lella Lombardi.

stormybadger8 said:Aside from the fact that the Ferrari is just a better car than the Red Bull...
You're forgetting the fact that Kimi is in a complete mess right now—and let's be honest, Ferrari is basically the second-best team on the grid... 😁

Ferrari is sitting at third place right now—plus, Red Bull is already grabbing wins while Ferrari is still searching for one...

stormybadger8 said:Aside from the minor detail that the Ferrari is actually a better car than the Red Bull...
You’re overlooking the fact that Kimi is in a complete mess and that Ferrari is realistically the second strongest team on the grid 😁

🤣🤣 Run away, honestly—go plant some petunias somewhere else😁

cosmiccyclist8 said:Massa is basically acting as their brake pedal at this point. He can struggle so much that by the time you've even finished saying "cookies," his performance has already fallen apart. I have no idea what kind of deal he's signed with Williams, but wouldn't it be so much better if they brought in some fresh blood like Bottas? These younger drivers seem to handle these new cars way better than the veterans. It’s pretty obvious that the cars have changed so much that being an "old pro" doesn't give them any advantage over experience, whereas the new guys clearly show more hunger—which is only natural...

They have a test driver, plus another guy, Ricardo Zonta. I suppose he'll be the one stepping into Massa's shoes.
Right now, Williams probably has a bigger headache figuring out how to extend Bottas's contract. Personally, I think a Bottas-Zonta combo would be a great lineup for, say, 2016.

Jason Campbell70 said:It really doesn't matter which position is being fought for.
That's exactly why we watch Formula 1—for moments just like these.

Well, if that helps you sleep at night.
You can tell yourself you were watching that thrilling battle between Pastor Maldonado, Ricardo Zonta, Adrian Sutil, and Vergne with total excitement yesterday.

Tyler Bennett5 said:Go ahead and comfort yourself if you must.
You can pretend you were actually enjoying watching the battle between Pastor Maldonado, Ricardo Zonta, Adrian Sutil, and Vergne yesterday.

Weak chamomile compared to the heroism shown by Maestrov.

Jason Campbell70 said:Weak tea compared to the maestro's heroism.

Hardly incomparable...
And watching them bicker in a duet at the end? Priceless. Sure, the maestro gets beaten down routinely just like every other year—but his fan club keeps playing, he keeps conducting, and Ferrari is sinking like the Titanic.

Anyway, things will improve eventually...

Jason Campbell70 said:That’s weak tea compared to the maestro's heroism.

Look, when someone gets tossed a foot in the air during the heat of battle 🤣, you can't exactly call it "weak tea." Let's not be too hard on them—maybe just chalk it up to some fiery Latin temperament.

swifttiger75 said:Not even close...
And watching them bicker at the end? Pure gold. Sure, the maestro gets outclassed just like he does every single year, but his fan club keeps playing their tune while he conducts, and Ferrari sounds like the Titanic going down.

Still, things will improve...

In a half-functional car, racing against someone two seconds faster with nine laps' worth of fresher rubber, relying on DRS and a temporary 9.3 miles/h boost on the straight.

Yeah— routinely outmatched, if you want to call it that.

darkmarlin16 said:???

That’s why I heard two distinct impacts.

Exactly, darkmarlin16.

By the way, did you put that chart together yourself?

Jason Campbell70 said:Driving a half-broken car against someone two seconds faster with nine laps of fresher rubber—all while leaning on DRS and catching a 9.3 miles/h speed boost on the straight.

Yeah—basically getting steamrolled, if you want to call it that.

I mean, if Alonso is the better driver, what part of that isn't obvious? ☕

Jason Campbell70 said:Seriously, darkmarlin16 is spot on here.

Anyway, did you actually sit down and build that chart by hand?

Which chart are we even talking about?

Jason Campbell70 said:In a half-broken car, fighting someone two seconds faster who’s on nine-lap fresher tires, using DRS, and hitting an extra 9.3 miles mph on the straight.

Yeah— getting absolutely smoked, if you want to put it that way.

Why just "half-broken"?
Wouldn't it sound better if we said it was missing a few bucks worth of bolts, had a snapped suspension, no engine, no battery, no wheels, no brakes, and basically everything else 😍
?
We seriously need to start adding "World Champion" to his excuses.🤣
If nothing else, at least then Maestro would actually have ten titles under his belt.😁

neonfox65 said:Ferrari is the third-best team and Red Bull already has a win while Ferrari is still searching for one.

That’s exactly my point. I don't get why everyone's tripping.
1. Mercedes
2. Williams
3. Ferrari
4. Red Bull
5. FI
....

crimsonstag84 said:Ferrari will have a better car at Indianapolis, maybe even Spa-Francorchamps.

They were actually better in Austria and the United Kingdom. It's a whole different story when you consider how much those amateurs completely botched qualifying...
But let's be real, they had the third-best car.

stormybadger8 said:Aside from the tiny detail that the Ferrari is actually a better car than the Red Bull...
You’re totally ignoring the fact that Kimi is in a complete meltdown and Ferrari is realistically just the second-best team in terms of raw power 😁

🤣

I mean, even Vettel is better than Richard, right? 🤣

I honestly refuse to believe you actually mean what you wrote. Just admit you're trolling so we don't have to spend all this time laughing at you.

swifttiger75 said:Oh, absolutely incomparable...
And when they ended up bickering in a duo at the end... priceless. Sure, the Maestro gets beaten routinely just like every other year, but the orchestra of his fans keeps playing, the Maestro keeps conducting, and Ferrari is sinking like the Titanic.

Well, things will look up eventually...

Jason Campbell70 said:In a half-broken car, against a machine that's two seconds faster and running tires that are nine laps fresher, using DRS and hitting some kind of 9.3 miles mph higher speed on the straight.

Yeah— routinely beaten, if you want to call it that.

You guys hit the nail on the head. But you're all just latching onto a troll post.

swifttiger75 said:Well, since Alonso is the better driver, I mean, what part of that isn't crystal clear! ☕

We've known that for ages.

stormybadger8 said:Why just "semi-accurate"?
Doesn't it sound way better if we say it's missing a few screws worth of cash, has a busted suspension, no engine, no battery, no wheels, no brakes, and basically everything else 😍

We seriously need to start including the World Champion title in the stories immediately🤣
If nothing else, at least then the Maestro would actually have ten titles under his belt😁

Alright, take a breath, Tibijef. Honestly, I’d be losing my mind too if some rookie on the crew kept tearing down and rebuilding my favorite driver over and over again.

Seven times straight.

But look, let's try to keep some dignity here instead of just posting nonsense.

Everyone saw it yesterday—Fernando was clearly better than Sebastian Vettel. In a head-to-head fight.

A faster car, DRS, and fresher tires. And he was grinding through it for about ten laps on a track that isn't even Monaco.

Let's be real for once. ☕

stormybadger8 said:He was actually better in Austria and the United Kingdom, too; it's just that some amateurs completely blew their qualifying sessions...

I'd agree on Austria, but I'm not so sure about the UK.