Singapore GP (Marina Bay Street Circuit) - 09/22/2013

jadeseal7 said:Don't let anyone tell you McLaren dominated this year. It was a total slugfest between them and everyone else right up until the final race.

Honestly, it feels like McLaren only really found their footing once Kimi left, while Ferrari started falling behind the moment he arrived.

Try selling it to my godmother at the farmer's market; she might actually take you up on it. 🤣

Just thinking back to what Kimi did at McLaren in 2005. He had the stamina to finish a race just like a Yugo could actually make it to its destination. 93 milesI'm not sure what you're looking for. Give me something to work with.

So, did Kimi only spend 2005 at McLaren? And what was the team like after he left? Time to do some homework. 🙄

Vettel has such a dominant car that when it’s gone, he basically disappears, which says everything you need to know about him. Total fraud.

All the stats say otherwise. This race was something special, sure, but most other races just make you feel like you're lying. ☕

Jason Campbell70 said:The way fans react when a fraud gives a podium interview tells you everything you need to know about how much they actually value Vettel's wins and titles.

Honestly, even Schumacher was more engaging; races used to be even duller than today's, yet he never got away with it quite like this fraud does.

And I suspect there might be a reason for that. 🤷

Sure, I'm sure over 70% of the entire world consists of Red Bull fans.
Those fans are incredibly "objective"—they clearly see that Vettel only clinches championships because he's fueled by some specific energy drink. Meanwhile, those very same fans will cheer for Alonso because they recognize him as a superhuman driver, even if he ends up driving for their absolute worst enemy.

Tyler Bennett5 said:How many times did Schumacher’s car break down versus how many times for Barrichello?
And how many times were they handing the first guy something smelling fishy in the pits while the second one just got left out to dry?

Honestly, I haven't the slightest clue, because frankly, I couldn't care less about Schumacher—a driver who got absolutely dismantled by Nico Rosberg over a three-year span like he was some rookie kid. And besides, what on earth do Barrichello and Schumacher have to do with Red Bull?

jadeseal7 said:Kimi left because Ferrari treated him like a second-class driver. He didn't have the absolute authority that Vettel had to just call the shots.

You get what you deserve. Honestly, he should have done more with the car he was driving. They decided he wasn't part of their long-term plan and cut him loose. Looking back, whoever they brought in instead achieved basically nothing. Now they’re circling back to Kimi, who will likely achieve nothing too. Typical Ferrari management.

He jumped back into Formula 1 after three years and immediately started grabbing podiums and wins with a less-than-stellar Lotus.

Exactly. A "brilliant" Lotus. Using the word brilliant is doing a lot of heavy lifting compared to how that Lotus was performing before Kimi arrived.

Kimi built his career through pure talent, while Vettel just rode a brilliant car. That's the bottom line.

You've got one flaw in that logic... the actual results suggest this isn't about facts, just wishful thinking.🙄

Is it not truly remarkable to consider that only three drivers in the entire history of Formula 1 have managed to secure more victories than Vettel? One can only think of Schumacher, Prost, and Senna. What an extraordinary driver he really is!

Nathan Fisher24 said:It’d be nice if people could actually talk about Formula 1 on this forum normally,
instead of constantly reading trash talks and petty jabs about "slaps," "crying," "cheating," and "real champions" and all that crap...
I don't even root for Alonso, but it's not hard to admit he's the best. So why can't
everyone else look at race situations realistically, or at least try to? If Vettel was faster by "2 seconds per lap" today, who's saying it's all the car? Isn't it theoretically possible the car was only 1.8 seconds faster and Vettel just earned that extra 0.2 through pure skill?🤷

Facts.

Kimi vs Alonso in this race: 1:0. Alonso spent 6 laps crawling behind the Force India, while Kimi actually made his moves when it mattered.

Vettel: deserved dominance.

Super boring race, except for the last couple of laps, which were a shock because they actually happened.

graniteharbor502 said:You missed the United Kingdom Grand Prix this season. And honestly, you missed quite a few races from previous years too.

The irony, my friend... pure irony.

graniteharbor502 said:Only three drivers in the entire history of Formula 1 have more wins than Vettel: Schumacher, Prost, and Senna. What an absolute legend!

Honestly, putting Vettel in the same breath as icons like Schumacher, Prost, or Senna feels a little bit like sacrilege to me—just a thought!

placidridge2 said:When someone who actually understands Formula 1 starts talking nonsense, it’s hard to take anything they say seriously. So, yeah, I'm with you on that one. 🤣

You really think you're something, don't you?🙂

slydrifter39 said:Kimi vs Alonso in this race: 1:0. Alonso was stuck behind the Force India for six laps, while Kimi made his moves when it actually mattered.

True, though that last move on Button wasn't quite as brutal given he was running on completely shot tires. Still, it doesn't take away from how aggressive that third-place finish was. Plus, we have to factor in he only pitted once, giving him a 30-second advantage.

David Anderson72 said:Man, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.🙂

Honestly, your posts alone show exactly how much you actually know. 😛

@ placidridge2

I can't wait to see how you handle things once Red Bull isn't driving such an absolutely dominant car—it’ll be quite the reality check! 😉 At that point, I suspect you'll be back to your usual routine of complaining to anyone who will listen.

Jason Campbell70 said:How much fans actually value Vettel's wins and titles is best measured by the reactions whenever that fraud sits down for a podium interview.

Honestly, Schumacher was even more tedious. Races used to be even more mind-numbing than today's spectacle; he never got away with anything quite like people do when they're being conned.

There’s probably a reason behind it. 🤷

Schumacher had his fair share of dark spots throughout his career—he was temperamental, prone to collisions, and wasn't above getting physical when he wanted to settle a score. Even so, he earned respect then and continues to earn it now as one of the two greatest to ever do it.
It’s funny how certain people get nothing but respect, as you can clearly see.🙂

jadeseal7 said:Comparing Vettel to legends like Schumacher, Prost, or Senna is just plain wrong.

Schumacher grabbed his titles using the same kind of momentum Vettel has now.

Most of the time, Vettel didn't have nearly as much of a dominant car as Schumacher did during most of his runs... or his championships.

jadeseal7 said:@ placidridge2

Let's see how those predictions hold up once Red Bull isn't running the class of the field. 😉 Then he'll be back to his usual complaining.

Look, Vettel had an incredible car today, but most of the time he hasn't. Besides that, he drove a flawless race at a really high level.

As for the whining, well, Vettel isn't Alonso.☕

Listen to this genius, acting like he actually knows where Schumacher won his titles.

Kid, when was the last time you even watched Formula 1? Maybe a few years ago?🙂

Look, if you want to go toe-to-toe with me, you need to do your homework first. At least learn the basics. Come back when you actually know what you're talking about and then we can have a real conversation. Until then, you're just trolling.

Go away, little man! ☕

jadeseal7 said:He’s back in F1 after three years away, and he's already grabbing podiums and trophies again—even while driving a pretty mediocre Lotus.

placidridge2 said:Spot on. That Lotus was absolutely brilliant. The key is how incredible that car actually was compared to what they were running before Kimi showed up.

From what I can see, they aren't driving a particularly brilliant Lotus right now.

jadeseal7 said:To even attempt to place Vettel in the same conversation as legends like Michael Schumacher, Alain Prost, or Ayrton Senna feels almost sacrilegious, doesn't it?

But I find myself wondering, by whose specific metrics are we measuring this greatness??
After all, isn't it true that Ayrton Senna secured three world titles?
And was it not Alain Prost who claimed four?
Then we have Michael Schumacher, the seven-time champion—though one might argue that Nico Rosberg certainly gave him quite a run for his money during those final three seasons.
In comparison, Vettel stands there with three titles, and if the trajectory holds, he shall soon be a four-time world champion himself.

placidridge2 said:Look, Kazem—Vettel had an incredible car today, but let's be honest, he didn't have it for most of the race. Aside from that, though, he drove today's race at such a high level without making a single mistake.

And as for all that crying? Well, he isn't Sebastian Vettel and Fernando Alonso, is he? ☕

It’s actually a massive challenge—having a car that's two seconds faster per lap and a clear track ahead of you, then managing to drive flawlessly. That's truly the mark of a great driver; even Takuma Sato could have pulled that off if given the chance. 🤣