2013 Canadian GP - Montreal (June 9)

graniteharbor502 said:Why isn't Sebastian Vettel popular? It's because he wins all the time and it’s just become tedious. It would be nice if he'd just hand over at least one title to someone else.

Yeah, there’s definitely something to that. I can't imagine how most Fernando Alonso fans could deal with him, since how can anyone even dare to consistently beat "the best" driver?

Your argument doesn't hold water. It's parched for a single logical point.

Sebastian Vettel isn't popular because he tries to build his fame on these poorly staged moments.
For instance, he pulls an FF at the end of a race, and then Rocky chimes in over the radio: "c'mon Seb, bring the car home, you aren't getting any points for that."
And his response? "Satisfaction."
What kind of dialogue is that? I'd bet $33 that it's all just a pre-planned scene.🤷

Real drivers stay quiet and drive. Hardly anyone does that anymore. Nowadays, everyone is flipping people off, screaming about blue flags over the radio, or begging for penalties because someone is blocking them.

If Sebastian Vettel were a real driver, he would have stayed tough after that situation with Mark Webber, instead of acting so defeated. You're a three-time champion, man.
First he apologizes, then he claims Mark Webber was also causing trouble during his career, and then he flips the script again to claim he's a team player... just pick a side.

That’s why I like Fernando Alonso. He’s upfront about wanting to see his rivals fail, he uses those samurai quotes (so epic 🙏), yet he helps his teammate. In the same breath, his morality and kindness can serve as an example to others.

Raymond Anderson4 said:That’s why I dig Fernando Alonso—he’s upfront about wanting to see his rivals fail, loves throwing around those samurai quotes (so epic🙏), yet he still supports his teammate.In an instant, his sense of morality and decency can serve as a model for others..

Everyone eventually hits that point where they flip to the "dark side." Just look at the Canadian Grand Prix and that qualifying incident with Lewis Hamilton. Fernando wasn't exactly acting "moral" back then. When championships are on the line, the stakes are too high—history shows everyone is willing to do whatever it takes.

I’m curious—what if Alonso moves to Red Bull Racing and Sebastian Vettel goes to Ferrari? How would you view Alonso then, or more importantly, who would you actually be rooting for?!

swifttiger75 said:Everyone eventually hits that point where they switch to the "dark side." City just remembers the Canadian Grand Prix and that qualifying mess with Lewis Hamilton. Fernando was acting pretty "moral" back then. But let's be real—the stakes are too high. When championships are on the line, history shows everyone is willing to do whatever it takes.

I’m curious, though. Suppose Fernando moves to Red Bull Racing and Sebastian Vettel goes to Ferrari. How would you view Fernando then? Who would you actually be rooting for?

It's obvious for me.

But there's another factor at play here. A big one. Respect.
If Fernando decided to jump ship tomorrow—purely hypothetical, since neither he nor Ferrari are that crazy—I'd still respect him. Regardless of the lack of titles, his stint at Ferrari was incredibly impressive, and I'm happy with how it went.
I feel the exact same way about Kimi, Sebastian Vettel...

swifttiger75 said:Everyone eventually finds themselves crossing over to the "dark side." City only remembers the Canadian Grand Prix and that qualifying incident with Lewis Hamilton. Fernando was being plenty "moral" during those moments. When championships are on the line, history proves everyone is willing to do whatever it takes.

I’m curious about a hypothetical: say Fernando Alonso moves to Red Bull Racing, while Sebastian Vettel heads to Ferrari. How would people view Alonso then? Who would you actually be rooting for?

You have to distinguish between two types of fans: those who simply follow a team, and those who follow a specific driver wherever they go.

Personally, I fall into the second group. I have teams I prefer and teams I don't, but from the very first Formula 1 race I watched, I identified with a driver, and that hasn't changed.

The only exception is TBF, who follows a driver but will ditch them the moment they join a hated team... which is inevitably what will happen.

steelmaker83 said:The only thing sticking out here (again), tbf, is someone rooting for a driver. But let's be real—they'll ditch him the second he joins a team they hate... which is bound to happen eventually.

Maybe they will... maybe they won't.🤣

Emily Patel64 said:Whoops 🙂 didn't realize that was such a huge bold font 🙂

Let's not get carried away here.
Ralf Schumacher has six wins under his belt too.
And two of my favorite Brazilians have eleven each.

Beyond just raw numbers, you have to look at the context—the conditions and the environment surrounding any given result.

What makes you think it was somehow easier for Felipe Massa, Rubens Barrichello, or Mark Webber to grab wins while being teammates to multi-time world champions? Like, I don't even know, just name anyone else...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXRbgnqIG_Q

What is there to say? Really, what can one even say?

🙏🙏🙏

DRS scams🤣

Jason Campbell70 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXRbgnqIG_Q

What is there left to say? Truly, what can one even say about this?

🙏🙏🙏

When you see them just floor it and somehow manage to catch up to the Mercedes-Benz on the straight without any struggle at all, doesn't it simply go to show what an absolute beast that Ferrari really is?

Jason Campbell70 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXRbgnqIG_Q

What can I even say... honestly, what is there left to say?

🙏🙏🙏

against modern Formula 1

stormybadger8 said:What makes you think Massa, Rubens Massa, or Mark Webber had an easier time grabbing wins while stuck behind multiple world champions as teammates? You could name anyone else in history for all I care...

My point is, Mark Webber won everything he could in top-tier cars—absolute championship contenders at the time.
Rubens Barrichello was in the same boat.
But Felipe Massa actually beat out the reigning champ from his own team (who, let's be honest, gets way more hype) and missed the title by a hair with six wins in a season.

That’s the context we should be looking at. Just counting up wins or points doesn't tell the whole story.

cosmichawk12 said:is against modern F1

Improvise, adapt, overcome. 😍

Roger Wright94 said:Back when Felipe Massa beat out the current team leader—who, let's be honest, gets way more hype—and snatched the title by a hair after grabbing six wins that season.

That’s exactly why we need to talk about them in that context. You can't just look at raw wins or total points and call it a day. It's not that simple.

Did Luca Montezemolo sneak around and soap up Kimi Räikkönen's car on the way in?🤣
Look, I mean, there's no denying Felipe Massa had an absolute beast of a 2008 season, but that whole year just felt weird to me. It was such a strange run.

Besides, he’d never admit that Massa actually beat his teammate—it was just Kimi beating everyone else on his own.😁
Chuck, if my memory serves me right, they practically handed him a win that season too...

stormybadger8 said:If I recall correctly, he even handed him a win earlier this season...

Looks more like he was just settling a debt from last year. 😉