Overrated athletes?

Jordan.

hollowdriver18 said:I honestly can’t believe I’m reading this 🙂

We're talking about a driver that his peers and rivals constantly hailed as the absolute best—someone truly exceptional, insanely talented, incredibly skilled, and someone who was just unhinged in how he drove. They repeatedly pointed out his freakish level of focus and sheer driving mastery, yet to you, he’s just some joke clown who thinks he's seen Jesus and spends his time playing with toddlers

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Holy crap... even Thomas Mann was basically a total jerk in real life, but look at the facts: 😲he was a genius writer with a massive intellect who left behind an invaluable body of work, including one piece where he practically writes about his obsession with kids and dying for beauty. God, it's wild 😲 😲 😲

How on earth did such a massive oversight escape the eyes of today's "ultra-critical" masses? Seriously, where is this world even heading? I genuinely have no clue anymore. 😳

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How can a driver who wasn't even the best in his own era be considered the greatest of all time?🤷

gentlebear47 said:How does a driver who wasn't even the best in his own era end up being called the greatest of all time?🤷

Well, damn. I guess I'm one of the biggest players in this game. 🤷 It’s not just me. 🤷
I won't drone on about it too much, but here—take a look at what his contemporaries were up to whenever you get a chance. Everyone's talking about him.

Sure, there’s plenty of content out there if you look for it, but this one really stuck with me. You have my full recommendation. 😳

shadowtinker29 said:Regarding Formula 1 and the '80s (which I remember quite well), perception has really shifted over the last 15 years or so. Some figures, like Ayrton Senna, have basically entered the realm of myth.

People talk about the "golden era" a lot lately, but I guess the truth is that aside from a few elite drivers, Formula 1 has probably never seen as many mediocre talents as it did back then. Most races—maybe 90% of them—were pretty boring, much like they are today. Scoring points was incomparably easier back then. I suppose just having a car finish the race was "enough," though most often they didn't even manage that. Over the last couple of seasons (ignoring last year), the gap between the fastest and slowest car was maybe just a second. In the '80s, that was the gap between the leader and the next closest car. Because of that massive performance gap (not to get into brake, tire, or aero development), overtaking was likely way easier in those years than it is now. I don't think today's drivers lack courage at all; they are essentially clinical machines nowadays.

As for Ayrton Senna, he's an example to me of an "overhyped sporting icon."

He was lucky to drive in an era when sports information was released in such small doses.

I wonder how a driver today—in an age where every single quote gets dissected—would fare if they claimed to have seen Jesus during a race, or mentioned having an "unusual" attraction to young boys, or something like that...

But sadly, he passed away, and the myth was born.

Yeah, I feel similarly about modern Formula 1. I guess everyone is either good or really good these days, and the cars are all top-tier too. It seems pretty tough to identify a true standout because tiny differences in car quality create huge advantages. All the champions from recent years seem like elite drivers who rarely make mistakes, and when they do, they tend to slip up at similar rates throughout the season. To me, Fernando Alonso, Lewis Hamilton, Sebastian Vettel, Jenson Button, and Kimi Raikkonen are all in that same high bracket. If you give them a great car, I guess any of them could win since they all have the skill to take a fast machine to the top spot.

That’s an interesting take.
I’ve been following Formula 1 for ages, probably since way back in the early 90s.
To be honest, I really feel like Ayrton Senna has been turned into this larger-than-life figure that exceeds his actual impact.
Now, don't get me wrong—nobody is questioning his sheer talent on the track, because that was undeniable to everyone watching.
But I think some of the hype surrounding him has just spiraled completely out of control.
If he hadn't tragically passed away, he would have undoubtedly been one of the greatest drivers to ever live, but he might not be sitting on that singular, untouchable throne.
The truth is, the whole mythos built up around Ayrton Senna after his death is just impossible to ignore.