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jadeskipper74 jadeskipper74 Member
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#21 ·
Daniel Booth37 said:Sure, it’s all about that American influence. In terms of actual global sports history, he barely registers on the radar.

I mean, you can't just claim someone who stands as one of the greatest players to ever step onto a field—maybe even *the* greatest—has a negligible footprint in sports history just because baseball isn't a household name everywhere you look. It feels like a bit of a logical stretch to me. Honestly, trying to draw objective comparisons between sports that aren't truly global phenomena is a losing game; baseball might be relatively niche outside certain regions, much like how handball is basically a ghost sport in large parts of the world...
jadeskipper74 jadeskipper74 Member
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#22 ·
I was just sitting there, staring at the ceiling and thinking about how much everything seems to be falling apart lately, and honestly, I can't help but feel like we're all just drifting through this chaotic mess without a compass. It’s one of those things where you try to find some sort of order, some kind of structure in the madness, but then you realize that most of what we call "stability" is just an illusion we've collectively agreed to believe in so we don't lose our minds. It reminds me of this time back in Chicago when I thought I had my whole life mapped out, perfectly organized, only to have a single unexpected turn throw the entire plan into total disarray. We spend so much energy trying to build these mental frameworks, these little systems to keep us safe, yet life just keeps throwing curveballs that make those systems look absolutely ridiculous. It’s exhausting, really, dealing with the constant flux of it all while everyone else acts like everything is perfectly fine. jadeskipper74 says:
Look, I’m sorry, man, but I just can't get behind that. To me, Joe Biden is a much bigger sporting legend—I mean, the guy's a world champion in lawn bowling, for crying out loud—compared to that Ruth character, who claims to be an "athlete" in what kind of damn sport exactly???!!!
Who else is actually playing this game besides those damn Americans who completely butchered rugby by forcing everyone to wear helmets and groin guards and then had the nerve to call it football? It’s pure blasphemy against the spirit of the sport. At least there are more than three countries out there that play a real sport instead of whatever that mess is!☕

You know, I was sitting there thinking about how much the sports landscape has shifted, and it hit me that baseball actually commands a massive following—I mean, if you look at the numbers, more people are obsessed with baseball than those two combined: handball and water polo. It’s kind of wild when you really sit down and crunch the popularity metrics in your head, isn't it? It just goes to show how certain traditions in the States just take root and grow until they overshadow everything else, leaving those niche sports struggling to find an audience while everyone else is glued to the diamond. ☕
dustypanther6 dustypanther6 Member
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#23 ·
šarafciger;31354546 said:
Raymond Anderson4 said:Babe Ruth is a legend because of the media hype...
no way, Babe was one of the greatest to ever do it.

Personally, I'd rather bet that Joe Biden is an example of a player who became a legend just because the media—and his personal life (that whole thing with Marilyn Monroe)—made him one.
/QUOTE]

Look, man, I'm sorry, but to me, a true sporting legend would be someone like Anthony, a world champion in competitive bocce, rather than this Ruth guy who plays some "sport" that nobody even considers a real game???!!!23>>
Who even plays that besides those damn Americans who messed up rugby by adding helmets and cup protectors and then had the nerve to call it FOOTBALL (absolute blasphemy against the sport). Anthony playing bocce is a sport played by way more than three countries in the world!!!!!!!24>> ☕

Don't embarrass yourself. Football and rugby are about as similar as tennis and ping pong.

EDIT: Go learn how to quote properly. Right now it looks like I'm the one quoting things wrong, which I'm not. I'm not fixing this.
shadowridge14 shadowridge14 Member
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#24 ·
jadeskipper74 said:Baseball pulls in more fans than handball and water polo combined... ☕

Australian football is the same deal. Ever heard of those bums from New Jersey...☕
Sure, the United States is a massive demographic powerhouse and some of the loudest propagandists on the planet, but that doesn't make cricket anything more than a distorted mess... or what they'd call "sticks and stones" at a small-town county fair...☕
Most people in America care way more about a local fish fry in Strizivojna than they do about Grandma or magic...
shadowridge14 shadowridge14 Member
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#25 ·
dustypanther6;31355114 said:
shadowridge14 said:don't embarrass yourself. football and rugby are about as similar as tennis and ping pong...

EDIT: go learn how to rate things properly. now it looks like I'm the one getting it wrong, when I'm not. I'm not fixing this...

you're just perfect at rating!!! I'm clearly the one doing it wrong!!!!!!!!😳
guys, dustypanther6 is the expert here, unlike me who can't get anything right. he's the pro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!☕
shadowridge14 shadowridge14 Member
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#26 ·
Yeah, and I’m not even kidding...
I just said Americans changed the rules on us, so what now...
jadeskipper74 jadeskipper74 Member
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#27 ·
shadowridge14 said:American football is the same deal, so have you ever even heard of the small-town legends back in rural Ohio?☕
Of course those "United States" types are a massive demographic force and the biggest propagandists out there, but that doesn't make cricket—or what folks at a local county fair might call "sticks and stones"—some kind of global heavyweight on par with actual major sports!☕
Honestly, 99% of people in America would much rather go to a backyard fish fry in a small town than worry about some high-brow magic trick or whatever else is trending.

Well sure, I guess if we're judging the popularity of a sport solely by how many people in your tiny little hometown play it, then you've got a point. But just for the record, baseball didn't actually evolve from cricket; it came from rounders. And besides the USA, baseball is huge in Japan and pretty much all over Latin America too...
Raymond Anderson4 Raymond Anderson4 RegularOP
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#28 ·
shadowridge14 said:Look, friend, I have to disagree. To me, Joe Biden, a world champion in bocce, is a much bigger sports legend than this Ruth guy, who isn't even an athlete in any real sport.
Who actually plays this besides some Americans who ruined rugby by adding helmets and groin guards and then calling it FOOTBALL? (Absolute blasphemy to true enthusiasts!) Joe is a master of a sport played by more than three countries in the entire world! ☕

Listen, you’ve got it wrong.
If you aren't familiar with baseball at a professional level, that's really on you.

Plenty of nations host professional leagues. From Asia: Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan...
all the way through Europe: Germany, Belgium, and the United Kingdom...
Australia, and finally the USA and Canada.

Your comment feels pretty unrefined, like it's coming from someone who doesn't actually follow sports.
mistycyclist51 mistycyclist51 Active Member
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#29 ·
jadeskipper74 said:baseball is huge outside the States too—it’s basically the top sport in Japan and pretty much all of Latin America...

Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Venezuela, and Puerto Rico don't exactly make up "pretty much all of Latin America."
jadeskipper74 jadeskipper74 Member
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#30 ·
mistycyclist51 said:Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Venezuela, and Puerto Rico don't exactly make up "almost all of Latin America"...

Fair point, honestly. I probably wasn't being as precise as I should have been there, since what I was really trying to get at was the heart of it—you know, that whole central stretch running from Mexico down through Venezuela.
Emily Thomas3 Emily Thomas3 Active Member
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#31 ·
Daniel Booth37 said:His impact on baseball was massive, but honestly, where does he rank in terms of pure athletic physicality? Baseball was such a slow game back then, and Ruth himself was pretty chunky. It feels a bit silly to compare him to athletes who are out there pushing the absolute limits of human potential. He’s an icon of American sports history, plain and simple.

Only someone who's never actually picked up a bat and tried to hit a ball would say this. I don't know if there's any sport that demands more hand-eye coordination, insane speed, and quick reflexes. In baseball, you have about 0.3 seconds to judge where a tennis-ball-sized projectile is headed and actually swing at it. If you haven't tried it, you have no clue how hard that is—not to mention the mental toughness needed to face a rock-hard ball flying at you over 90 mph.

Even though you see some big guys playing (for the record, Ruth was incredibly mobile for a guy his size and was actually pretty muscular, which shows in his stats), baseball is physically and mentally brutal. I mean, I'm pretty sure almost everyone on this forum could sink an NBA three-pointer out of 100 tries or nail a penalty kick against a pro goalie, but very few people could even manage a single against an average MLB pitcher.

It really bugs me when people try to downplay certain sports just because there isn't a sport where you can reach elite levels without blood, sweat, and massive talent. As for Ruth's standing in baseball itself, the only real critique is that he didn't play against Black or Hispanic players, but even taking that into account, the guy is easily one of the top three players to ever play the game.
Edward Kim76 Edward Kim76 Newcomer
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#32 ·
Matthew Martinez7 said:and then he passes away right after...
I mean, Kurt Cobain does an interview with CNN and then dies that same year. You might as well just go out and buy a shotgun a few days later.
Does anyone actually know which network Kobe Bryant gave his final interview to back in '94?

God forbid you ever find yourself standing in front of those CNN cameras 🤣

Which outlet did Kobe give that interview to `94? 😕
shadowridge14 shadowridge14 Member
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#33 ·
jadeskipper74 said:Right, because how much people in your tiny hometown like a sport is the only way to measure its actual popularity. By the way, baseball didn't evolve from cricket; it came from rounders. And besides the US, baseball is huge in Japan and pretty much all of Latin America too...

My hometown?
What hometown?
I don't need my fellow citizen Boffin to tell me baseball is big in Japan and Latin America, just like how karaoke and speed dating are everywhere. So what?
We're talking about sports legends, but since we're on an internet forum, names like Ruth or Cobb don't mean a damn thing here...☕
Local nobodies are more famous than icons...
Raymond Anderson4, wake up...
jadeskipper74 jadeskipper74 Member
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#34 ·
shadowridge14 said:my hometown?
what town are we even talking about?
Look, even without my fellow American Einstein pointing it out, everyone knows baseball is huge in Japan and throughout Central America, just like how people are obsessed with karaoke and speed dating—so what?
We’re sitting here debating all-time sports legends, but since this is an open internet forum, names like Babe Ruth or Ty Cobb don't mean squat to the average person here.☕
A local reality TV star would probably be more famous around here!
The-End, get real.

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mistycyclist51 mistycyclist51 Active Member
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#35 ·
jadeskipper74 said:True. I guess "central" wasn't exactly the right word for it. I was really just trying to point toward the heartland—you know, that whole stretch from Mexico down through Venezuela.

Even then, it’s still a pretty broad way to look at things...
Take Mexico, for instance. Soccer is king there, then you've got boxing, and baseball kind of sits in third place.
Over in Honduras, Guatemala, Belize, El Salvador, and Costa Rica, soccer is definitely the top dog everywhere.
The only real outliers are Nicaragua and Panama, where baseball actually takes the lead.

I mean, sure, baseball is easily one of the biggest sports on the planet, but it's hard to argue that someone like Babe Ruth counts as a global icon on the level of the absolute legends.
dustyridge3 dustyridge3 Active Member
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#36 ·
shadowridge14 said:Comparing a sports legend like Ante papak, a world champion in bocce, to someone like Babe Ruth? In what kind of godforsaken sport could he possibly compete???!!!
Who even plays that garbage besides those damn Americans who ruined football by strapping on helmets and groin guards and having the audacity to call it FOOTBALL (absolute blasphemy to the sport)? Ante is a bocce player in a sport played by at least three whole countries in this entire world!!!!!!!☕

Keep scrolling through this forum because this is clearly the absolute peak of intellectual discourse 🙏🙏🙏
Good lord, have you completely lost your mind?🤣
Jesus🤣🤣
Henry Lee84 Henry Lee84 Member
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#37 ·
jadeskipper74 said:Oh sure, because how many people play sports in your tiny little town is obviously the only way to measure global popularity. By the way, baseball didn't even evolve from cricket, it came from rounders. And besides the US, baseball is huge in Japan and pretty much all of Latin America
...

😂😂😂😂😂

Panama is the whole of Latin America😂
dustyridge3 dustyridge3 Active Member
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#38 ·
Henry Lee84 said:😂😂😂😂😂

Panama is all of Latin America, isn't it?😂

As far as I can tell, Venezuela, Puerto Rico, the Dominican Republic, Mexico, Nicaragua, and Cuba are certainly not Panama.🤷
Henry Lee84 Henry Lee84 Member
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#39 ·
dustyridge3 said:Venezuela, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Nicaragua, and Cuba aren't Panama as far as I can tell 🤷

Baseball is actually the biggest sport in Mexico...😂😂😂😂😂
darkwolf61 darkwolf61 Member
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#40 ·
šarafciger;31354546 said:
Raymond Anderson4 said:Babe Ruth is a legend just because of the media hype...
no way, Babe was actually one of the greatest to ever play.

Personally, I’d much rather argue that Joltin Joe is the guy who became an icon mainly because of the press—and his personal life (that whole thing with Marilyn Monroe).
/QUOTE]

Sorry, my friend, but for me, the true sporting legend is Anthony—the world champion in lawn bowling—rather than this Ruth guy, who plays what kind of damn sport, anyway???!!!
Who even plays that besides those loud Americans, who basically ruined football by adding helmets and cups and calling it "football" (total blasphemy to the spirit of the game!)? Anthony plays a sport that's actually recognized in more than three countries globally!!!!!!!24>> ☕

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