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Overrated sports icons?

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Raymond Anderson4 Raymond Anderson4 RegularOP
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#61 ·
Adam Moore said:Hey, is this thread about comparing legends within their own specific sports, or are we trying to measure greatness on a global scale? Because if it's the latter, I think the whole debate is pretty much a dead end.

I was actually referring to the first option.😉

That's why I brought up the comparison between Lance Armstrong and someone like Eddy Merckx. Merckx was an incredible, far more successful cyclist, yet he doesn't have nearly the same level of mainstream recognition.
There are plenty of other examples I could pull from, too.

My point is, let's keep the focus within the context of the sport itself.
dustyridge3 dustyridge3 Active Member
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#62 ·
neonfalcon16 said:Look, the guy was consistently in the top 10, and he rarely ever folded under pressure. If anything, his performance was remarkably steady.

I haven't sat through every single race, but let's be honest: he hasn't been anywhere near his old self lately. Am I saying he isn't a talented athlete? Of course not, but is he really the transcendent legend everyone seems to worship? I highly doubt it.
Raymond Anderson4 Raymond Anderson4 RegularOP
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#63 ·
Michael Schumacher used to spend countless hours on the track, obsessively testing his car just to shave off every possible millisecond. You rarely see that kind of dedication in drivers today.
I wouldn't say he was being hyperbolic about it.
mistycyclist51 mistycyclist51 Active Member
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#64 ·
dustyridge3 said:Exactly. You look at the numbers and it’s right there. Cricket, baseball, rugby, and American football... they all consistently land in the top ten most popular sports on the planet. It's just how it is. ☕

Cricket, baseball, rugby... sure, I can get behind those. But American football? No thanks. Not for me.

Football is king here in the States, obviously, but outside our borders? Not exactly a global phenomenon.
You only have to look back at that disastrous attempt with NFL Europe to see how it all went south around 2007. It just wasn't catching on overseas, and honestly, the overhead costs for running a league like that were astronomical. They poured an absolute fortune into the whole project, but they basically only managed to hook the German fans—and even then, they're still stuck with a version of American football that barely makes a dent in the mainstream.

dustyridge3 said:Man, honestly... if you look at the US, it’s pretty much always the same three things dominating the conversation: football, baseball, and then that whole massive college football scene. That's basically the holy trinity right there.🙏

Not really...

So, ESPN's latest general survey just dropped. They had people rank their favorite sports, and here’s how the results shook out:

NFL football. Just... yeah. It’s a lot. Sometimes I sit there watching the games and I wonder how we all collectively decided this was the pinnacle of entertainment. A bunch of massive guys running into each other in the dirt while we all pretend to understand complex playbooks that probably change every single week anyway. It's exhausting, honestly. Not that I'm complaining—I've spent way too many Sundays staring at the screen, nursing a lukewarm coffee, wondering why my team can't just execute a simple slant route without tripping over their own feet. It's a cycle. We suffer, we complain, we tune in next week. Rinse and repeat.
MLB baseball. Just... baseball. It’s a long season, isn't it? Sometimes I sit there watching the games and I can't help but wonder why we put ourselves through this. The endless innings, the constant movement, the feeling that nothing ever actually changes despite all the stats and the hype. It’s a grind. A slow, rhythmic, slightly exhausting grind. Not that I'm complaining. I just think about how much time passes between one pitch and the next. It's a lot of time to spend thinking about things you probably shouldn't be thinking about. Anyway. Baseball.
NBA basketball... just thinking about it. It’s a lot. Sometimes you sit there watching the games and you wonder if anyone actually knows what they're doing, or if it's all just choreographed chaos designed to sell more sneakers. I don't know. Hard to say. Just one of those things that occupies too much space in my head sometimes. Anyway, back to whatever I was actually supposed to be doing.
College football. Honestly, I don't know why we still do this to ourselves. It’s just chaos wrapped in school colors. All that hype, all those screaming fans, and for what? A trophy that sits in a glass case in some dusty campus building while everyone forgets about it by next season. It feels like a cycle that never ends, just a constant loop of manufactured excitement and heartbreak. Makes you wonder if anyone actually enjoys the stress of it, or if we're all just conditioned to live for the Saturdays. Just another way to pass the time, I guess. Not that I'm complaining, really. Just observing.
College basketball. Just... college hoops.
NASCAR... just thinking about it. It’s one of those things that feels like it should be simpler than it actually is, but then you get into the weeds of the logistics and the sheer noise of it all. It’s exhausting, honestly. Just watching these drivers go in circles for hours on end—sometimes you wonder if there's a point to the repetition, or if we're all just collectively agreeing to watch people drive fast in a loop because it beats staring at a wall. Not that I'm judging. I've spent plenty of afternoons doing much less productive things. It’s just a strange kind of spectacle. A lot of heavy machinery, a lot of screaming engines, and a whole lot of waiting for something to actually happen. Makes you feel a bit old just contemplating the stamina required.
NHL hockey. Just thinking about it. It’s a different kind of grind, isn't it? Not like the flashy stuff you see on ESPN all the time. Just a lot of heavy hitting and cold rinks. Sometimes I wonder if anyone actually watches the full sixty minutes anymore, or if we're all just scrolling through highlights while pretending to care. Probably both. Honestly, probably mostly the second one.
MLS soccer... honestly, I don't know. It’s hard to wrap my head around it sometimes. One minute you think you're watching high-level tactical stuff, and the next, it feels like a bunch of guys just running around aimlessly under the hot sun. Not that I'm complaining—I've seen worse. Just one of those things where you sit there, nursing a lukewarm beer, wondering if anyone actually knows what the game plan is. It's fine, though. It's whatever. Just another thing to watch when nothing else is on.
WWE wrestlers... just calling them "wrestlers" feels like an overstatement sometimes. It’s more like professional stuntmen with better hair and much worse dental insurance. You watch these guys go out there, all muscle and ego, playing these exaggerated characters that feel about as real as a Hollywood blockbuster. Honestly, most of them are just glorified actors in trunks, leaning heavily on scripted drama to make up for the fact that half the moves look like they were choreographed by someone who’s never actually been hit in the face. It’s a weird, loud, exhausting spectacle, but I guess that's the point. Just another part of the circus.
AFL arena football... honestly, I don't know. It’s one of those things that just feels like it's trying too hard to be something else. You look at the setup and it’s all fast-paced and cramped, which I guess is the point, but sometimes it just feels frantic without much substance. It lacks that heavy, methodical weight you get from a standard game. Just my two cents, anyway. Probably just me being cynical.
WNBA women's basketball.
12th actual "Indy" race.
dustyridge3 dustyridge3 Active Member
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#65 ·
Raymond Anderson4 said:Michael Schumacher would spend endless hours on the track, obsessively testing his car just to push it toward absolute perfection. You rarely see that kind of dedication from drivers in today's era.
I have to disagree; I don't think we're looking at an exaggeration here.

Look, I'm just stating my opinion.
Emily Thomas3 Emily Thomas3 Active Member
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#66 ·
Michael Schumacher absolutely crushed it even at Benetton. That car was solid, though maybe not quite as unstoppable as the Ferrari era, but the guy still drove like a beast. Honestly, his ego and his aggressive style rub me the wrong way, but you just can't argue with those results.
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#67 ·
mistycyclist51 said:An ESPN poll where people ranked their favorite sports turned up these results:

1. NFL football
2. MLB baseball
3. NBA basketball
4. College football
5. College basketball
6. NASCAR
7. NHL hockey
8. MLS soccer
9. WWE wrestling
10. Arena football
11. WNBA
12. IndyCar

What year is this poll from?
dustyridge3 dustyridge3 Active Member
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#68 ·
mistycyclist51 said:Sure, cricket, baseball, or rugby might find a footing, but American football? Not a chance...

While American football reigns supreme here in the States, does it actually carry any weight on the global stage?
One only needs to look back at the disastrous attempt with NFL Europe, which collapsed back in 2007 precisely because the sport failed to catch fire across the rest of the continent and the overhead costs were simply astronomical. Even though they poured an absolute fortune into that venture, the only group they managed to truly hook were the Germans, who still maintain a league with a decent following today..

According to global surveys, American football ranks as the 8th most popular team sport, though I suppose that ranking holds up simply because it commands the passion of over 100 million people.
However, people would be genuinely surprised if they realized just how many folks around here actually follow or play some version of the game.
dustyridge3 dustyridge3 Active Member
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#69 ·
Adam Moore said:What year was that survey even conducted?

I managed to track down a survey from 2008 where the ranking looked like this:
1. NFL
2. MLB
3. COLLEGE FOOTBALL
4. NASCAR
Raymond Anderson4 Raymond Anderson4 RegularOP
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#70 ·
I’m a bit puzzled seeing hockey sitting at 7th place. It seems like some teams really struggle to fill up arenas that hold around 16,000 or 17,000 people, though I have to admit, a few of those venues are rarely packed anyway.
mistycyclist51 mistycyclist51 Active Member
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#71 ·
Adam Moore said:What year is that survey from?

It’s from 2005...

There was also a "newer" one from 2009, run by Harris (kind of like our local Pulse, Prisma, or Target):

1. pro football
2. pro baseball
3. college football
4. auto racing (all kinds)
5. pro basketball
6. hockey
7. college basketball
8. golf
9. soccer
10. boxing

Yeah, obviously, it's hard to build an accurate ranking in a market this massive, but at least you get a rough idea of what Americans actually bother watching...
Emily Thomas3 Emily Thomas3 Active Member
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#72 ·
I honestly doubt this poll was even scientifically conducted or holds any real credibility, but hockey is definitely pulling more viewers than soccer, the WNBA, IndyCar, or WWE and everything else further down the list. BTW, this is about viewership numbers, not how many people actually play them. I'm not so sure cricket draws more eyes globally than American football, even if it’s technically one of the most played sports out there 🤷

Let's get back to the main topic 😁
dustyridge3 dustyridge3 Active Member
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#73 ·
Raymond Anderson4 said:I find it baffling that hockey sits at number seven. Some teams struggle just to fill arenas that hold 16,000 or 17,000 people, and let’s be honest, even those aren't always packed to capacity.

But then again, isn't the NHL still more popular than MLS or any of the other sports over there?
Emily Thomas3 Emily Thomas3 Active Member
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#74 ·
mistycyclist51 said:from 2005...

There's also a "fresher" poll from 2009 conducted by Harris (kind of like our Pulse, Prisma, or Target):

1. pro football
2. pro baseball
3. college football
4. auto racing (all kinds)
5. pro basketball
6. hockey
7. college basketball
8. golf
9. soccer
10. boxing

Sure, it's tough to make an exact ranking in such a massive market, but you can at least get a rough idea of what Americans follow most...

This actually looks pretty similar to the stats I stumbled upon a year ago 🙂 except baseball stays ahead because they play 182 games a season, compared to "only" 82 in basketball 😬
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#75 ·
Adam Moore said:I honestly have my doubts about whether this survey was even conducted using sound scientific methodology, let alone if it carries any actual credibility, but one thing is certain: hockey is undeniably more popular than soccer, the WNBA, IndyCar, WWE, or any of those other sports trailing further down the list. By the way, we are talking about viewership numbers here, not how many people actually step onto a field to play.I am certainly not convinced that cricket commands a larger global audience than American football, even if it happens to be the second most played sport on the planet. 🤷

Not to steer us away from the main topic, but😁

It might sound a bit naive, but isn't it true that a significant number of people simply lack the courage to suit up for American football, which would explain why it sits relatively low on the participation lists? I wonder if they even factored in Flag football or the various other formats in these statistics. In my view, American football draws a far greater television audience than cricket ever could.

Last time I go off-topic.😁
dustyridge3 dustyridge3 Active Member
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#76 ·
Adam Moore said:This is starting to look exactly like the same results I stumbled upon about a year ago. 🙂 Does anyone else feel like baseball only manages to stay relevant because they grind through 162 games a season, whereas basketball players get to coast through a mere 82? Is that really enough to sustain interest, or is the sheer volume of baseball games the only thing keeping the sport from fading into total obscurity compared to the NBA? 😬

And we’re looking at a twenty-point deficit in football.
Raymond Anderson4 Raymond Anderson4 RegularOP
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#77 ·
Adam Moore said:Honestly, I highly doubt this survey was scientifically conducted or even holds much credibility. That said, hockey is definitely more popular than soccer, the WNBA, IndyCar, or WWE and the other sports further down the list. By the way, this ranking is about viewership, not participation rates. I’m not convinced cricket draws more viewers globally than American football, even if it might be the second most played sport in the world.🤷

Anyway, let's get back to the main topic.😁

I love hockey—it's my favorite sport in the world—but I still didn't expect to see it ranked this high. I mean, some teams like Atlanta, Phoenix, Islanders, and Florida barely hit two-thirds capacity at their arenas.

Then again, my perspective is probably skewed because I focus on those five or six specific teams.
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#78 ·
dustyridge3 said:It might sound a bit silly, but honestly, a lot of people just don't have the guts to step onto a football field. That’s probably why those numbers look so low on the participation list.

And yet, if you look at any college campus, football is basically everywhere... one thing is for sure, though: it really is the king of sports here in the States.

Anyway, we're drifting way off topic again. 😁
dustyridge3 dustyridge3 Active Member
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#79 ·
mistycyclist51 said:And yet, once again, the vast majority of students are preoccupied with football... if there is one thing we can say for certain, it's that it remains the undisputed king of sports in the USA..

and since we have wandered so incredibly far into off-topic territory😁

Just change thread title, then we can get back on topic.😁
mistycyclist51 mistycyclist51 Active Member
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#80 ·
dustyridge3 said:Just change the thread title so we can actually stay on topic here.😁

Man, this isn't even my subforum anyway.😁

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