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ruggedhawk20 ruggedhawk20 Regular
509 messages
joined Sep 2014
#281 ·
Adam Edwards4 said:So, I’m not really a regular on the forums or anything, but since I just recently started getting into Formula 1, I figured I’d jump in here with a question. From what I've gathered so far, an undercut is when you pit early to try and leapfrog someone, while an overcut is more about letting the rival go first to gain an advantage later. Is that actually how it works? And specifically, why do teams pull these moves—is it always a direct response to the car ahead pitting, or is there more to the strategy than that? A little breakdown would be awesome if anyone has the time! 👍 Not sure if this is the right thread for it, but I wasn't exactly sure where else to look.

It all depends on the current rulebook. Nowadays, since they don't refuel during the race, pitting early is usually the move. But back in the day—like the 1994-2009 era—it actually paid off to stay out longer, driving a lighter car for a couple more laps while your rival was struggling with a heavy, freshly refueled tank.

Everything in NASCAR is dictated by the rules—rules that shift almost every single season.

There was that weird 2005 season where you could refuel but weren't allowed to change tires. Back then, forget about undercuts—it was strictly a game of who could stay out the longest.

NASCAR isn't like football, where the rules stay the same for centuries and you can just ask what a corner or an offside is.

NASCAR is its own thing that evolves year after year. It doesn't really play by anyone else's book. Take football—it's the same everywhere in the world. The rules apply no matter which league you're playing in.

NASCAR has its own unique set of rules that might—or might not—align with other racing sports.
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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joined Apr 2013
#282 ·
https://thejudge13.com/2017/06/05/ho...-their-rivals/

Check out these numbers. It's pretty interesting how many miles each driver clocked during those pre-season Goodyear tests...
Sebastian Vettel
Kimi Räikkönen
Max Verstappen
Ricc
Lewis Hamilton

So now it’s a total mystery why some guys are suddenly having such a hard time with their tires, right?😁
jadeseal7 jadeseal7 Active Member
169 messages
joined Dec 2013
#283 ·
stormybadger8 said:https://thejudge13.com/2017/06/05/ho...-their-rivals/

Check out these numbers. It's pretty interesting how many miles each driver clocked during those pre-season Goodyear tests...
Sebastian Vettel
Kimi Räikkönen
Max Verstappen
Ricc
Lewis Hamilton

So now it’s a total mystery why some guys are suddenly having such a hard time with their tires, right?😁

And then he goes and blames everything else when he gets knocked out in Qualifying Round 2 🙂
Casey Hill57 Casey Hill57 Member
44 messages
joined Mar 2015
#284 ·
Oh, please, what does he even have to worry about?🙄

I mean, look at him—he’s the superstar, the world champ, driving for the absolute best team on the grid in a Mercedes-Benz. He’s been used to being totally untouchable for years, so why on earth would he bother with testing?
That's just how it goes!

And then, the second other drivers start giving him a run for his money—especially that teammate he treats like some kind of nobody, just a temporary placeholder who isn't even in his league—suddenly, it's everyone else's fault!
From ISIS and the Masons to Russian hackers, conspiracy theorists, Tutankhamun, and even aliens—everyone is to blame except for him. Nope, not a chance.
Timothy Castillo6 Timothy Castillo6 Active Member
148 messages
joined Apr 2010
#285 ·
And we still haven't heard a single word about Canada!? 🙂
Linda Peterson43 Linda Peterson43 Active Member
100 messages
joined Mar 2018
#286 ·
Timothy Castillo6 said:And we still haven't heard a single word about Canada!? 🙂


It feels like we are playing a game here, almost like a round of "chicken"...
Whoever blinks first and asks to open the race thread is the one who actually has to open it... 🙂

So, you know exactly what needs to be done... 🙂
mellowtiger83 mellowtiger83 Regular
466 messages
joined Aug 2014
#287 ·
ruggedhawk20 said:Come on, please—tell me exactly which seasons an extra point for the Democratic Party win would have netted Senna four more championships. Which ones precisely?

Are you actually hearing yourself right now!? For God's sake.

I wasn't talking about a single point. Three points for pole position would be fine, then maybe 2 and 1 for second and third place.🙂

Think back to 1989.
Timothy Castillo6 Timothy Castillo6 Active Member
148 messages
joined Apr 2010
#288 ·
Linda Peterson43 said:It feels like we are playing a game here, almost like a round of "chicken"...
Whoever blinks first and asks to open the race thread is the one who actually has to open it... 🙂

So, you know exactly what needs to be done... 🙂

Look, I’m no expert on these mind games, honestly I’d rather play chicken myself than deal with these cars.
THE CHAMPIONSHIP WALL IS GONE!!! 😁
People, come on... the race is happening today. 😲
🙂
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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joined Apr 2013
#289 ·
mellowtiger83 said:I wasn't talking about a single point. Three points for pole position would be fine, then maybe 2 and 1 for second and third place.🙂

Think back to 1989.

Even if they had handed out 10 points for pole position, it wouldn't have changed a thing—Ayrton Senna still wouldn't have walked away with a championship in any of those seasons.☕

Honestly, it’s a completely different game when you realize you aren't actually scoring points for Pole Position, but just for the race itself instead. It changes your whole approach.
Basically, some drivers were definitely rigging their setups with one goal in mind: they didn't care about being fast at the start—they just wanted to be the first ones across the finish line. 😉
darkmarlin16 darkmarlin16 Veteran
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joined Nov 2015
#290 ·
Sirotkin is jumping into Practice Session 1 over in Austria instead of Hulk, because obviously, they’re dying to see how he stacks up against Palmer.

Once we're back from the summer break, I'm fully expecting them to give Robert Kubica a shot too, once he finishes knocking out a few more tests.
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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joined Apr 2013
#291 ·
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2017-f1-s...alifying-data/

Funny how Sebastian Vettel absolutely crushed qualifying, leaving Valtteri Bottas in second while Kimi Räikkönen was basically useless—acting like he’s some kind of new Ayrton Senna and Lewis Hamilton hybrid. 😁
Ashley Ramirez4 Ashley Ramirez4 Active Member
178 messages
joined Dec 2012
#292 ·
From what I can see, Palmer is easily the worst driver on the grid—and honestly, Louie speaks for himself... he’s either leading the pack or he’s nowhere to be found at all.
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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joined Apr 2013
#293 ·
https://thejudge13.com/2017/07/11/ne...le-discovered/

So, looks like Mercedes, Red Bull, AlphaTauri, Force India, and McLaren are all playing dirty with their suspension—and apparently messing with the tires too. 😁

God only knows what kind of mess this is going to blow up into...
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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joined Apr 2013
#294 ·
Ashley Ramirez4 said:From what I can see, Palmer is easily the worst driver on the grid—and honestly, Louie speaks for himself... he’s either leading the pack or he’s nowhere to be found at all.

Even if we agree Button is McLaren's best driver, 😁
neonfox65 neonfox65 RegularOP
534 messages
joined Jun 2021
#295 ·
Mario, congrats on the win! We had a bet going—Ferrari vs. Red Bull—so you owe me a beer...

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🙂
mellowtiger83 mellowtiger83 Regular
466 messages
joined Aug 2014
#296 ·
neonfox65 said:Mario, congrats on the win! We had a bet going—Ferrari vs. Red Bull—so you owe me a beer...

image

🙂

Friend, why are you teasing me with that picture of a beer? Why? Is that something you actually need in your life?😁

I'd like to see about 8 inches of it sitting on the table right in front of me, since you owe me!
neonfox65 neonfox65 RegularOP
534 messages
joined Jun 2021
#297 ·
Hey, don't you remember—we had a bet going for some virtual beers?
mellowtiger83 mellowtiger83 Regular
466 messages
joined Aug 2014
#298 ·
neonfox65 said:Hey, don't you remember—we had a bet going for some virtual beers?

I suppose I was under the influence of chocolate in New Orleans!
Timothy Castillo6 Timothy Castillo6 Active Member
148 messages
joined Apr 2010
#299 ·
So, after three absolutely disastrous races for the Red Bull guys, we’ve got a new—or rather, a returning—World Series champ heading into the 2017 Formula 1 season.
DESERVED? I’ll let you guys fight it out in the comments...
neonfox65 neonfox65 RegularOP
534 messages
joined Jun 2021
#300 ·
Timothy Castillo6 said:So, after three absolutely disastrous races for the Red Bull guys, we’ve got a new—or rather, a returning—World Series champ heading into the 2017 Formula 1 season.
DESERVED? I’ll let you guys fight it out in the comments...

It's all on Tim. He was basically responsible for Hamilton's DNF three different times...

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