The Armada

Steven Garcia3 said:I see exactly which teams are in that photo, just like 90% of everyone else.

I don't get what the issue is. They look good enough to me. 😁

Steven Garcia3 said:110 people at the coastal derby is weak. Just like our 250 in a small suburb or 600 at the stadium—it’s weak. Be realistic. Don't come at me. I posted a photo of 1,000 people in total delirium during one of the club's biggest European defeats; I didn't expect that kind of turnout or energy from you guys.

Exactly. You have to be realistic. Even in these tough times, your numbers still outweigh ours, and they always will. That’s just basic logic when you consider you're coming from a massive metropolitan area with supporters spread all across the country. You seem to have forgotten that our core base is centered right here in Cleveland and the surrounding ring. Not to mention, the success of our local clubs is a massive factor in our numbers. Honestly, I'd go as far as to say you guys are struggling while we—given everything—are doing quite well. If we're being realistic, like you said...😉 Give me a break. One-sided logic shouldn't rule here. Even though what you wrote isn't exactly right, you’re somehow "correct" despite being wrong. I guess since you're from New York, you think you're always right even when talking nonsense. I don't get it. You tried to draw a parallel to London, but I already explained why that's stupid, and I'm sticking to my guns: what you wrote was garbage.

Steven Garcia3 said:Look, no offense, but I can’t even compare BBB to any other group in America besides The 12th Man. But since you’re an Armada fan, let's be real—you're easily in the top five in the country. You can blame being in a slump for trailing 2-0 by the 25th minute, but that level of support was pathetic. Only a fool would expect London-style energy from you, but you have to admit one thing: when you think you can actually play well and end up getting shelled 4-0 by a Tottenham, you're in more trouble than if you had just spent ninety minutes driving down to the Stadium for a game you didn't even expect to win. That’s exactly why I expected some chaos at the Stadium. Most of us with decent away experience know how this works: if you don't create a frenzy, you usually end up with a dead atmosphere on the bus or train after a loss. I expected that from you, but like I said, the whole scene outside of The 12th Man is declining—whether it's quality like you, quantity like us, or morality like Kohorta.

Typical tunnel vision. Professional deformation at its finest. You need to realize you aren't living in Italy where you see crowds like ours at some third-tier stadium once a month. Get real. Based on these attitudes, maybe you'd prefer a league with just two teams—we all know which ones—split into two groups, because everything else is useless. Look, man, you have to be a massive fanatic, truly obsessed with your roots, to support clubs like those in small towns. Respect to The Boys who show up and love their colors. As for the fans in Cleveland supporting a club like this, they probably all deserve a psychiatric diagnosis 😁 but The Boys are above all that... 🤷👎 and again, your comparison makes zero sense.

Anonymous said:You nailed it, big ultra.

I tried to bold something but realized I had to select everything, so I gave up.

My friend, 🤣
like I already said considering everything, the whole situation and how 70% of the group has been swayed, don't worry. Like Terry Lee3 said, there have been times when we cheered for 90, 120, or even more minutes 😍👍 and people were going wild. People read this stuff and act like the only metric for a good away game is stripping down and "going hard." I wrote about the Armada's originality and staying true to their own vibe recently, didn't I? 👍 I think if The Boys stripped down in London, then the Armada should too. Why? To prove themselves, right?? 👎 Ridiculous.

p.s. The pyrotechnics in the North were excellent.

analogsailor16 said:? 😕

I don't get it, I honestly feel like even Kohorta is stepping up their game...

Look, I said they’ve lost their moral compass. They’ll figure out why eventually—after turning themselves into media celebrities and constantly talking trash about the capital and The Boys, they kept up those "fair and honest" supporter antics while still acting shady. Honestly, they're worse than our politicians. Whatever hype they're getting is just noise; in the eyes of any decent fan or regular person, they've hit rock bottom.

Andrew White32 said:I don't get what the problem is, I mean, they look good enough to me)

Exactly, one ought to maintain a sense of realism here. For instance, during these trying times for both sides, you guys are still numerically superior to us and always will be—that’s just basic common sense if you consider that you hail from a massive metropolis with supporters spread across the entire country, right? You seem to have forgotten that our base is concentrated in Cleveland and its surrounding areas, not to mention the sheer success of our clubs, which in my opinion is the deciding factor in our numbers... in fact, I’d go so far as to say you guys are currently in a slump while we—given everything, though there's always room for improvement—are doing quite well! Since you insist on being "realistic," as you put it...😉 Look, I'm not trying to insult you, but should we really be living in a vacuum of single-minded thinking? Even when you write things that aren't strictly true, you somehow manage to be right even when you're wrong; I suppose since you're a city guy, you have that tendency to be right while simultaneously talking nonsense. Honestly, I don't understand why you felt the need to draw a parallel with London, even though I already explained why that was a mistake, and I'll stick to my guns: what you wrote was complete nonsense.

What do you mean, 600 of The Boys at the Stadium? There are maybe 200 or 250 there, yet he goes around citing a figure of 600.

If you want to believe it: The Armada is the best in the world!

Steven Garcia3 said:If it makes you feel better: Armada is the strongest in the world!

Why even bother with the provocation? If you’re just here to troll, then get lost and leave this thread alone...☕
Honestly, after all those intense posts of yours, dropping something this stupid is pretty much toddler behavior... what's your deal?🤷

BTW...that "in the world" comment reminded me of something... Like everyone else, I got curious and went digging through those Mexican forums again... My God!! I seriously can't believe how pathetic some Americans can be, going out of our way to spit on ourselves, insult our own people, and air all our dirty laundry right in front of the Mexicans... damn them... things like calling the Boys "zeroes," saying Armada is the worst fan group on the planet, then bringing up Catholics and the rest of the crew, etc., etc.—you name it... It’s all "great"... but we're really going to embarrass ourselves and let them laugh at us like this??... It's a total tragedy.

Steven Garcia3 said:If it makes you happy: Armada is the strongest in the world!

👍 That’s it. That is what I was looking for. Now we can actually have a serious conversation..😁

Terry Lee3 said:Why the provocation? If you're just here to stir the pot, just get lost from this thread...☕
After all those long-winded posts, dropping a comment this stupid feels like something a toddler would do... what's your point even...🤷

I need to say this because some guy on the forum got a little offended when I mentioned that compared to the Boys, the only group in America I’d compare us to is Torac. Then he started hyping up Armada, talking about how hard it is to support the local squad, complaining about bans—which, by the way, you guys probably deal with more than any other serious group—and all that other nonsense. Forget it! Man up and just admit where you stand now compared to where you were a few years ago, just like I'm admitting we aren't even the same crew we were two years ago. And then some teenager tries to correct my stadium attendance numbers? Honestly, who cares if I said 300, 400, or 500? It doesn't matter. The point is that there are barely any people left and the whole fan scene is a mess. Armada is declining, we are in a massive slump, one specific cohort is an embarrassment, and Torac is the only group in the entire country actually moving forward. We don't need to dodge the truth. We can insult each other, provoke, and pick up bans to act like big shots on the internet if you want, but what does that actually achieve? I have my opinion, and frankly, when some kid tries to lecture me on it, it really gets under my skin. I said what I said. I’m trying to look at our situation realistically; it would be nice if others did the same.

BTW...that "in the world" comment reminded me of something... like everyone else, I was curious so I went digging through that Mexican fan section again... My God!! I can't believe how pathetic we Americans can be, turning around to spit on ourselves, insult ourselves, and air our dirty laundry in front of Mexicans... seriously!!! Like calling the Boys "zero," or saying Armada is the worst fan group in the world, then mentioning Catholic and the rest, etc., etc.—all of it is "great"... but we're willing to embarrass and mock ourselves like that in front of Mexicans??... it's a tragedy!!

It's fine when it's just kids and wannabes online selling smoke and mirrors. But when prominent figures from the American Forum—people like Spitke, who treats it like a joke despite being a pillar of our scene, or someone like Catholic, who first betrayed his group, then his city, and is now betraying the entire American fan scene—well, kudos to them for their legacy, but... there's no need for a sequel. We all knew about UF, we all knew about the guy who snuck a Mexican into the North Stand, so what? Is that just for internet clout? You can't expect anything from the kids when the legends themselves are setting such a terrible example, behaving like total degenerates!

Steven Garcia3 said:I’m posting this because some guy on here got all sensitive after I mentioned that if I’m comparing our Boys to anyone in the US, it’s only Torac. Then he started hyping up Armada like his life depended on it—complaining about how hard it is to support Ciba, how the bans are killing us (which, by the way, we probably have fewer of than any other serious group), and all that nonsense... honestly, who cares? Just be real for once. If you want to claim you’re for us now compared to what you were a few years ago, fine. It’s like me saying we haven't even been from the North for two years. And then some teenager tries to correct my stadium attendance numbers. Man, I don't give a damn if I wrote 300, 400, or 500, does it actually matter?! The point is that there are hardly any people left, the fan scene is a wreck, Armada is tanking, we are tanking, one cohort is an embarrassment, and Torac is the only thing in the whole country moving forward. You can't run from the truth. We can insult each other, provoke one another, and get banned just to feel like big shots on the internet, but what the hell do we gain from that? I have my opinion, and frankly, when some kid tries to lecture me, it really rubs me the wrong way. I said what I said. I'm trying to look at our situation realistically, and it would be nice if others did the same.

Nobody in Armada compares themselves to Torac or the Boys, and neither does Andrew White32. What he pointed out regarding current events is true... besides, if you scroll back a few pages, you'll see we all agree we're in a slump right now and have listed plenty of reasons why...☕
Also, Dalmosh Quote was the one correcting those numbers for you 😁

Steven Garcia3 said:It's all fine when it's just kids writing stuff—wannabes who think they discovered the world because they found the internet. But when you have prominent figures from the American Forum—people like Spitke, who treats it like a joke but is basically the face of our section, or guys like Catholic, who first betrayed his own group, then his city, and is now betraying the entire American fan scene... well, kudos to them for their legacy, but... I won't finish that sentence. Everyone pretty much knew about UF, everyone knew about that guy who snuck a Mexican into the North, so what? Is that supposed to be "content" for the internet? Seriously, how can you expect anything from the younger generation when the legends are setting such a terrible example by behaving like total idiots?

I agree... especially when you know there are plenty of bigger names in that crowd than the two mentioned. At least with Spitke, you see a bit of mockery toward Mexicans (as much as they allow), but still...👎

I don't get it. Is the point of this post to imply I'm some teenager or a total amateur??🤣🤣

Look, I couldn't care less about your comparisons. Compare whatever you want. Just be careful—if I state a few undeniable facts, you'll probably spin it as if I'm worshiping the Armada. Give me a break.

I’m looking at this forum right now and I honestly can't believe my eyes... All the prominent figures here are busy bickering and trading insults right in front of our opponents, while those same people just sit back and laugh at them under their breath.
If they were just some random clones, I wouldn't care, but this is the core group itself. It's truly something else...

And what makes you think they’re actually "prominent" members?!
As far as I'm concerned, unless people are using their real names—like some of those tight-knit Catholic groups—they aren't "prominent." When someone puts their actual signature behind their words, then you know they're being honest, that they aren't afraid of anyone, and that they aren't hiding their past or present. Only then will they earn respect from others... until then, let them hide behind various hooligan nicknames and praise absolute idiots for their "heroic" stunts... that's exactly why the whole scene is such a mess...
Everyone wants to be a leader, a hero, or some kind of big shot... but nobody actually wants to take on the responsibility that comes with those roles.

And I don't get why everyone is suddenly attacking the Armada... why is everyone acting so clueless? Have they forgotten that in previous seasons, they might have had smaller numbers, but they were still there...
They're the group I respect most in America, because unlike the rest of us, despite having their ups and downs and copying things here and there, they've kept their own spirit and originality—and they still have it today...
The people who showed up at the stadium were there, and plenty of them were even detained... so why do you feel the need to justify yourselves to anyone?
When there isn't a single protest sign or banner visible at a game because nobody bothered to show up—or made up excuses for why they couldn't—then you can talk trash about them. Don't complain just because they weren't cheering...

Armada👍

-white boy-;17122393 said:So you were at the forum this summer, I guess.😉

Not exactly, but whatever... let's get one thing straight. People love to nitpick about our numbers, but like others have pointed out, we’ve got a base of 200,000 people. On the flip side, why do you people care so much about that Mexican forum? Let them write whatever they want. Who gives a damn? As long as they're just blowing off steam over there, it doesn't matter. Besides, all the American forums are getting shut down anyway...😁...And why on earth should we be tracking everything you guys do? We've always had our own unique vibe—which, unfortunately, is fading these days—and we stick to it. At the end of the day, we didn't "boycott" our home city like some other groups did...

Perhaps I didn't articulate my point as clearly as I intended. My aim wasn't to single anyone out; rather, I was referring to those who truly understand the nuances of the game—the fans who actually show up to the stadium and witness the action firsthand. It’s a far cry from those who simply skim a headline or two and then proceed to parrot whatever they think they've read without any real insight.

Regarding the situation in San Diego, it’s become a standard pattern where the local crowd kills the attendance numbers, regardless of whether anything actually happens. I remember a few seasons back when the locals were already packing up and leaving before we even reached the stadium. At one point, people were questioning if anyone would even show up to the big game, and eventually, only one bus and a car made it to the stadium while most of the group stayed behind in LA. I know for a fact a good chunk of the ultras went to support the local college team against the state rivals instead—I still don't get how a group can just ignore their own club like that, but hey, their choice. Then there was that season with the clash outside the stadium; everyone who showed up unorganized got detained by police, though nobody who was part of the main group was touched. There was just one bus worth of people there before the fight broke out; I suspect they arrived during or after the chaos just to get picked up and put in a cell rather than being in the stands. Last time at the stadium, maybe 20 or 30 people were detained right at the gate entrance for nonsense like having the wrong haircut or whatever...😁
there are plenty more examples like this, both here and elsewhere.

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Andrew White32 said:😁
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..."White Cliffs Even over in Seattle, they know our name is sacred.🤣

Insanity😁
Let’s all hit the game tomorrow to support our Cleveland😁

You think people actually throw toilet paper from the stands? 🤣

SOME THINGS ARE JUST NOT MEANT FOR THE INTERNET!!! HOW DO YOU NOT GET THAT SOME STUFF SHOULD STAY OFF THE WEB

OH, WHAT A "GENIUS"!!!!1

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Today was just an absolute blast from start to finish, but honestly, the highlight had to be... the Democratic Party right at the start of the second half 🙏