The Armada

Andrew White32 said:actually, looking at that specific scenario, I am genuinely curious how you would execute that "smartly"??
You claim it happened during 90% of the match, and well, I suppose that is the case if you say so. (It is true that one particular song honoring our local fisherman was pushed quite heavily, but I see nothing wrong with it; it serves as a bit of promotion for him, plus from what I observed, people had a good laugh at the lyrics itself)

That is true, but if there are only those few decent versions available, unfortunately, the same thing will happen in the stands

Take, for example, the sections of the stadium like the North Stand or the West Side, just to name a few, along with the rest of the arena—meaning all the seating areas excluding the dedicated "supporter" sections. What do those sections have in common, and what sets them apart?
Well, I suppose their commonality lies in their love for the club and the national team they came to watch (and cheer for). As for what they don't share, there is quite a lot; I would say they are "different worlds" occupying the same stadium. The group standing behind the goal didn't come to sit there eating popcorn and watching the game; they came to CHEER. Now, regarding the repertoire of songs for the national team, there are perhaps only three "normal, singable" songs in rotation (setting aside those sponsored plagiarisms by various local artists). Surely you don't expect the crowd to spend 90 minutes singing "Run for your lives," and you are mistaken if you think they will resort to "classics" like "The Grass Grows Green." It seems to me the saying goes, "it is not the glass that is at fault, but the shape of it." Add to that the fact that fans are inherently stubborn by nature (after all, forbidden fruit is always the sweetest), which means the more certain songs are defended, the louder and harder they will be sung out of spite against those trying to ban them (and they try because, heaven forbid, we actually want to qualify for Europe, where everyone is such a cultured, civilized citizen, right?)
Try to grasp the essence of what I have written, and you will find your answer to my question; whether you choose to understand it or not is entirely up to you

Regarding the fisherman, I agree; after all, he loves this place so much that he simply does not want to leave.😍
As for the repertoire of songs for the national team, I would have to disagree..
What kind of nonsense would we need during a friendly against Moldova at the local stadiumregarding extremist anthems?
I couldn't care less about historical political affiliations, but it irritates me when hooligans shout slogans about dark historical atrocities, yet they cannot even finish singing the national anthem or our patriotic songs properly..
And there are many like them.

redpuma49 said:it really gets under my skin when these hooligans belt out "unspecified," yet they can't even finish a single verse of "unspecified" or "unspecified" properly..
And there are plenty of them.

Not exactly a genius either...😁
Yeah, I'm with you on that, but if you actually listen, they don't even nail "unspecified" that well. You catch these sudden shifts in pitch all the time—it’s just messy, man.☕

Good grief...🤣🤣🤣
unspecified, you really are a piece of work. A word of advice—don't stress about being "hardcore" or whatever. You're still a rookie at this. If you love Cleveland, just keep loving it. Go to the stadium, cheer, and leave it at that...
The whole ultra-hardcore vibe and those specific antics went too far anyway (the local hooligans are a perfect example; they practically destroyed themselves). As for our group, we always tried to do things differently, aiming for originality, and we should stick to that. I don't care if someone shows up to the West stands or an away game wearing team gear or a wetsuit; it makes no difference to me...

Next time you feel the urge to go on a keyboard rampage, try focusing. Don't jump from talking about the West stands to random nonsense about distant cities and Star Wars all in one post...
And yes, I still owe you a response:

Andrew White3 said:Look at the post
If you aren't happy in the West stands, then what's the issue? There are other sections, or even other teams.

unspecified:

That’s exactly my point. Those are the exact words... which is why there are 193 people in the West stands...

So, once again:

unspecified:

I won't comment on other groups because each has its own identity, but the main reason for our group's rise and fall was the result of the local club, plain and simple.

If you can't grasp that, you really are a piece of work... 😁🤣

redpuma49, are you related to unspecified or what??

Anyway, for Wednesday, everyone act as one under "MIB" (Men in Black, for those who don't know). I hear construction near the stadium is in full swing—from the ticket booths down to the end of the stairs leading to the West stands. They've dug trenches everywhere, so the atmosphere, the setting, and the access roads are going to be total garbage...🙂...😉🤣
I'll say it again: don't let me catch anyone hanging out in groups of three, or else.🙂

Back at it again with this idiot:
Drugs? Front lines?
And what was so funny about that butterfly thing???
Still can't get that photo out of my head. It was some guy from the "Butterfly Armada" chugging a beer straight from a mug. That's the one that stuck.
Plus that slogan: "The Armada—us against the world."

ruggedorca23 said:Wait, what’s so funny about that caterpillar thing???
I mean, I still remember that photo. It was basically "one of the leaders of the caterpillar army chugging a beer," and some guy is just tilting the glass back. Total core memory right there.
Plus that ridiculous slogan: "The Army—us against the world."

It's funny because it wasn't even a caterpillar...🤣🤣

Andrew White32 said:A bit of advice for you—don't sweat the whole "being a fan" or "not being a true supporter" thing. You’re still new to this. If you love Cleveland, then just keep loving it. Go to the stadiums, cheer for the team, and that's really all that matters...

Thanks for the advice, I'm enlightened...🙏

Andrew White32 said:The behavior and attitude of those ultras have always been way out of line... just a classic case of them thinking they're untouchable...

Too far or too close—who actually cares? These "left-right spikes" are exactly why so many people stay away from the West side (and by "so many," I mean our tiny little crowd). If you honestly believe those spikes are unnecessary, then thanks for agreeing with me that dragging politics into the stands is just plain stupid. But Armada does it anyway... whether they realize it or not...

Andrew White32 said:Our group has always pushed for a different kind of vibe—focusing on being original. Honestly, if we can just keep that energy going, I’m happy. As for whether people show up at the West side games or travel for an away match wearing F.P. gear or even full scuba suits... I couldn't care less.

The fact that you’re getting worked up over "stadium fashion" is a perfect example of how the Armada tries to act original while just chasing whatever trendy movie is out right now. You really are a genius... anyway, what exactly makes the Armada original these days? Give me one actual, sensible example.

Andrew White32 said:Look, next time you feel the urge to just hammer away at your keyboard, maybe take a second to focus. Try thinking before you type so you don't end up rambling about the West, Little Rock, George, Boban, and Star Wars all in the exact same post...

I’m not talking about Star Wars here... I only mentioned Little Rock to serve as an example of a city that felt the brunt of the war even more painfully than Cleveland... and it is perfectly possible to mention the West and "George and Boban" (unfortunately) in the same breath.

Armada—"Ultras yes politics." 🙄

Nothing against Pupet 🙂

Larry Rivera83 said:There's absolutely nothing against Pupet🙂

Is this the same guy I'm thinking of? 🙏

Ethan Baker43 said:Is this the same guy I'm thinking of... 🙏

is 🙏🙏

Jacob Newman74 said:The fact that you're whining about "stadium trends" just shows how unoriginal the Armada actually is—always chasing someone else's vibe. You call yourself an expert? Give me one actual, coherent example of how the Armada is anything besides a carbon copy today.

If we weren't "unique" and "original" alongside a powerhouse club like ours, the Armada wouldn't even exist anymore.

- I already know exactly who I'm arguing with and the level of intellect involved here. The chances of you grasping this are slim, so I'm writing this for everyone else reading rather than for you. (By the way... compare our stands to any other group in America. Look at their crazies, their banners, their presentation, and everything else that defines a supporter group. Draw that parallel to us, and that should answer your question about whether you'll ever understand this... though I highly doubt it).

ruggedorca23 said:I'm asking again for the idiot:
drugs? front?

The other thing.

"A true Cleveland resident" isn't saying this has anything to do with those old extremist groups—he’s just as disgusted as I am. When I say "true," I'm talking about people whose families have been rooted in this region for generations... the ones who actually belong here. Most of those guys shouting this garbage? Their roots are probably halfway across the Midwest or down in the South... HOW can we claim any loyalty when Ante basically stripped us of our Beautiful ours and sold us out? HOW? It makes no sense to me—it's the exact same nonsense we deal with in Miami.

😂😂😂😂

Man, seriously? Now we’ve got this "True Cleveland resident" thing going on alongside the other one... I had no clue. Honestly, I’m calling on all NON-Clevelanders to please explain this nonsense to me. I guess it’s only okay if you’re a "real American," especially those folks from down South—you know, the immigrants, the folks from the Midwest, everyone else... though, obviously, you all need to be super highly educated to even judge who qualifies as a "True Cleveland resident" (just ask some of those old-school parents, you don't have to look any further). Oh, and let's not forget the pure-blooded Floridians (who actually started this whole lie, which reminds me of how people used to spin things back in the day—just repeat a lie a thousand times and suddenly it’s the truth... pathetic, really, but hey, here we are... probably because they didn't cry enough for the previous administration).

😂😂😂😂

Shout out to all the "True Cleveland residents" out there, wherever you ended up.😂 😂

Andrew White32...look, let's just stop here because we're just going in circles.. it's pointless.. I can see you have some completely different movie playing in your head, and if anything contradicts that vision, you refuse to accept it even if the movie itself is wrong.. that's your flaw, not mine.. Anyway, we're done.

Take care, stay safe, and don't take this personally..

There might be some truth to that...

You guys have been fed this whole inferiority complex about our city—acting like we’re just some subset of a Mexican town, or nothing more than the Tornado basketball fans, or some unorganized "Indian" style mob like the old Torcida days... and then, miraculously, everyone suddenly changes. Suddenly, Cleveland residents are all huge nationalists or Ustaše (depending on how you want to label them), the Tornado crowd starts showing up to soccer matches, and Torcida has spent two years straight being an ultra-organized group...
For crying out loud, why don't you try pushing some other kind of complex on us besides an empty stadium? (Since that clearly isn't working—if anything, it's doing the opposite)—maybe then we'd actually change... because things can't keep going like this. 😁

Sean Brooks said:For crying out loud, can we please develop some actual identity or anything else besides just sitting around an empty stadium? Because clearly, that isn't working—it’s actually doing the opposite—so maybe we could try changing something... because this current path just isn't going anywhere.😁

I guess we already have plenty of "identity" when it comes to forming endless new clubs and little organizations, but instead of fixing that—look at us go—we just keep cranking out more. B-)

And then there's what you're saying 🙂

One single love, fueled by two different Mamić associations euros, right? 😍

Jacob Newman74 said:shark... fine, let's stop here. We're just circling the drain. It's pointless. You have your own version of reality, and if anything contradicts it, you refuse to accept it—even when you're wrong. That's on you, not me. Anyway, enough.

Peace out. Don't take it personally.

👍
I think this is the start of a beautiful friendship..😍

Sean Brooks said:...
Dammit, just give us some kind of complex other than an empty stadium (since that clearly isn't working, it's doing the opposite) so we can actually change something... because things can't go on like this.😁

You're from New York, where else would you find such trouble?

You know when the Armada was actually at its peak? It was back when all this petty bickering and nonsense about who’s a "real American" or a "true Cleveland resident" didn't even matter... back when you could hear massive standing ovations from the West side whenever someone would shout, "Hey, you Cleveland communists..." and everyone would just lose it. Honestly, if I tried to compare what we have now to how things felt back in 1996, the whole situation today would seem absolutely ridiculous if it weren't so damn sad... I mean, I really do respect the guys who showed up in Miami, I truly do, but there were maybe ten of us there while there were hundreds of us back home during those moments when half the entire city was cheering for Hajduk. Seriously, half the city... and what kind of excuses is this new generation making—is it because of the crackdown, the standings on the table, or just crappy football? I wouldn't call it that...

😢

Larry Rivera83 said:You want to know when the Armada was actually at its peak? It was back when all this petty bickering over who's a "real American" or a "true Clevelander" didn't mean a damn thing. Back when you'd hear some "Hey, you Cleveland communists..." and half the stadium would just erupt in cheers. Honestly, if I tried comparing today to how things were back in '96, it would look ridiculous if it wasn't so depressing. Look, mad respect to the guys who made the trip to Miami, but there were maybe ten of us... meanwhile, there were hundreds of us ready to go whenever half the city was rooting for Hajduk. Seriously, half the city. What's the excuse for this current generation? Repression? The standings? Shitty football? I don't buy it.
😢

Larry Rivera83... man, seriously, you really shouldn't be posting this kind of stuff until you've actually sat down with the crew or something. I mean, I get where you're coming from regarding the comparison between the 90s and now, but that bit about only ten people going to Miami? That doesn't sit right with me...☕
There were 50 people in the stands... and keep in mind, 70% of them ended up getting arrested by the cops in the suburbs, or getting pulled over for gas, or "hanging out with Torcida," and so on...😉

Man, I don’t know, something just clicked inside me today... honestly, the whole situation surrounding the club and everything going on with it just leaves me feeling pretty heavyhearted... 😢

But hey, I guess we just have to hope things start looking up soon 🙂