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Joshua Ortiz6 said:It’s actually pretty easy to crack the system on PayPal and just wire the cash straight to your bank account =)

Well then, what are you even doing hanging out here? Go ahead and hack it—unless you're already a billionaire, in which case you should probably get to work.😲

I'm still waiting to see if anyone actually follows through on these claims. Is it all just noise? kaže:
Then what are you even doing here? If you aren't a billionaire yet, shouldn't you be out there actually working?😲

Of course I don't have all the answers myself. But surely there are people out there who do?

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Interesting concept, though it’s honestly overpriced. I guess that just means you’re chasing a quick buck—which is usually the hallmark of a pretty bad tipster.
So, basically, you guys aren't great at this.
Makes sense, right? 😁

But hey, maybe there's someone here willing to drop a bet on a single game $333 and hand over nearly half their profit straight to you. Or, if you happen to miss just one pick, they'll end up paying $667 for two picks and still be down their $50.

*Assuming the odds are hovering around +100.

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I suspect there's some flawed logic buried in there somewhere😕

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Yeah, maybe there's just too much logic involved for you 😁
But I suppose people have a right to know certain facts.

So:
To actually make anything on a bet like the one we saw recently (Schalke x2), your stake would have to be massive. If you put down $100, you're only walking away with $30.
You also have to account for the fact that most sportsbooks take a 5% cut on the stake—even some online ones—and those online sites usually have limits on how much you can even wager. So when you do the math:
A $100 stake (-$5 in fees) * 1.8 = $171, minus the $50 you owe the tipsters = a $21 profit. You could have easily just placed a Schalke x2 bet yourself and made the same amount without having to follow their picks at all.

But wait, it gets better!
On top of that, you get this lovely little situation:
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Here's what actually happens:
If they miss just one single pick, you’re out $100.
If they hit the next one, you've now spent $200 total, but you get back $171 (using the Schalke example). After you pay the tipsters their $50, you're sitting at a $79 loss after one miss and one hit.
Since the profit per pick is only about $21, they would need to predict five winning picks IN A ROW just for you to break even.
Then you'd finally be up by $2.
Basically, if they blow one pick, they’d have to give you the next five for free, and all five would have to be winners just to get you back to zero. By then, you've already poured $600 into their system, which is $1500 more than most small-time bettors have in their entire bankroll.

In that scenario, they’d be looking at a 5/6 or 83.33% hit rate at 1.8 odds.
Do you honestly know a single tipster out there who maintains that kind of percentage at those odds?
Can anyone even calculate what the Yield would be in that case? Making $2 on a $600 total stake? In percentages?
And does that even seem worth it?

A bit of advice for the tipsters:
Maybe re-evaluate your business model. Read a book on logic, maybe one on finance or math, and then try offering your services again in a way where you actually make a steady living from twenty followers while giving them a reasonable shot at making money off your picks.

Best,

p.s. I offer lessons in logic, finance, and math for $50 an hour. 😉

Casey Jackson4, that was incredibly thorough! Seriously, props to you.

Look, a high-stakes player isn't just going to drop $100—they’ll be putting down significantly more than that, but let’s not get sidetracked... I’m not out here talking about amateurs. Secondly, the odds are going to climb past 2.0 and even hit the 2.5 mark. Third—and you should really take a look at the archives instead of making baseless comments—just wait a few more games and we'll see how it all unfolds.

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Quick question regarding the archives—back then, was the site actually free to access, or were you just listing what you played "incognito"?

Casey Jackson4 said:Interesting point, but damn, that's expensive. To me, that just screams you're chasing a quick buck—which is the hallmark of a bottom-tier tipster.
So, basically, you guys are bad tipsters.
Makes sense, right?

I'd usually be on your side here (and honestly, I agree with most of what you've said), but not on this. Just because someone sells picks doesn't automatically make them a hack. Sure, you've got the vultures who want to "get rich quick," build up some fake hype, and then vanish into thin air the second they hit a losing streak.

But then there are the people who are just tired of being taken advantage of on public forums by people who don't give a damn about quality, so they set up a private service. Whether pay-to-play sites are actually legit or just scams is a debate that's been going on since the dawn of the internet. I used to feel the same way you do—like, if you're actually good, why can't you just monetize your own winning picks?

But after dropping over 20,000 posts across various betting boards, my perspective has shifted. I get why someone would want to launch a paid site. Of course, that's assuming they actually run it with some integrity.

The weird thing to me about these guys is that I never actually see them doing the work. In my book, if you want to start charging people, you need to spend time posting free content first. You have to give people a sample so they can see what they're actually buying.

As it stands, I don't see anyone rational willing to shell out even a single buck blindly. It’s just common sense.

ruggedpilot33 said:Look, a pro isn't gonna drop $100 on a whim—they'll go a bit higher, but whatever, let's not get sidetracked. I'm not talking about amateurs here. Plus, those odds are gonna be sitting north of 2.0 all the way up to 2.5...

A "pro"? LOL! Any actual pro would bail the second they saw your first pick. An away win at 1.80? And you want me to shell out $50 for that?! That's insane!

Which betting shop are you pulling these odds from? What kind of Return (or ROI, whatever) are you actually aiming for? And what's your strategy for unit sizing on the parlays you're picking?

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You answered 1 question, just 2 left! What kind of Return or ROI are you aiming for, and how many bets do you plan on placing in a single season? Also, what kind of staking system do you think works best for your picks?

Btw, I’m not looking to be a customer or try to rip off your business model, I'm just genuinely curious!

These are all totally legitimate questions that any actual, serious paid service would have to address. Not to mention the obvious fact that a reputable subscription service should provide at least six months of free, TRANSPARENT stats. I’ll be asking around on Reddit about you guys, since you clearly aren't going to cough up any real information myself.

Our target is to lock in roughly 150 bets throughout the year—aiming for a return north of 30%.
Well, there you have it... those are the answers. 👍

Brandon Castillo4 said:I might agree with you on most things you’ve said here, but I can't get behind this specific point. Just because someone sells specific parlays doesn't mean they're a bad tipster. Sure, you have those types who just want to make a quick buck, build up some massive hype, and then pray for the best—and if things go south, they just vanish into thin air.

Then there are the people who are just tired of giving stuff away for free on public forums to people who don't appreciate it, so they set up a paid service instead. Whether those subscription sites are actually okay or not is a debate that's been going on since forever, I guess. I used to have the same mindset as you—like, why shouldn't someone be able to monetize their good picks if they're actually talented?

But after putting in about 20,000 posts across five different betting forums, my perspective has shifted a bit, and I think I see why someone would want to start a paid site. Provided, of course, they do it honestly.

The weird thing to me about these guys is that I never actually see them around. In my opinion, if someone wants to launch a paid service, they should probably spend some time posting for free first, just so people get a decent sample of what to expect.

The way it stands now, I don't see anyone sensible paying even a single dollar blindly. It’s just common sense, I suppose.

Oh, I think we've had a bit of a misunderstanding.
I’m talking about their $50 tip. That's just way too expensive; it feels like they're just trying to grab cash as fast as possible.
When Skeeve decides to run a paid site, I actually consider joining him—you get something like 70 tips over three months for $70, which works out to about a dollar per tip. Given the kind of Return he brings, it's worth it even if you're just playing $3.25 parlays.
But this? This is just ridiculous.
It doesn't mean the guys aren't good—they could be absolutely fantastic, for all I know. But most regular bettors can't afford to follow them with $500 just to stay in the green, so they'll probably end up with very few followers... though I guess they'll learn how it works through trial and error.😁

Look, it’s not necessarily expensive. You don't even have to follow them at $500 per person; it really just boils down to what they're actually bringing to the table. Honestly, $50 can be a total rip-off or an absolute steal, depending on how you look at it. 😁

I remember back in the day, Microsoft and this one tipster from Belgium were running a subscription for $500. And let me tell you, it was worth every single penny (though I didn't end up pulling the trigger myself 😁). When you're dealing with people who actually know their stuff and have legitimate connections all over the world... it's a different game entirely.

So yeah, $50? It could go either way.

Alright! So, here’s how the math breaks down based on these assumptions:
Total picks: 150
Average odds: 2.25
Expected yield: 30%
Let's assume we're placing flat bets on every single one (which isn't necessarily the smartest way to play, just so we're clear)
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Winning picks: 87 (58%)
Your total profit: $4,350
Minimum stake needed to break even (0% yield): $95
Player yield at 2x minimum stake: +15.3%
Player yield at 3x minimum stake: +20.3%
Player yield at 4x minimum stake: +22.9%
Player yield at 10x minimum stake: +27.5%
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Look, nobody is immune to variance—it's just part of the game—so you've gotta account for the risk of going bust. If you're only betting 1% of your bankroll per pick, the risk is basically nothing. But since you've laid out a pretty solid yield here (and if I can be honest, hitting 30% consistently over the long haul is a massive mountain to climb), let's say the risk is negligible if you bet 2% of your bankroll per pick:
Bankroll needed for a 15% yield: $9,500 (stake $190)
End-of-season profit: $4,350
Bankroll needed for a 20% yield: $12,250 (stake $285)
End-of-season profit: $8,600

Keep in mind, the lower the average odds (right now they're 1.95, but we're assuming 2.25), the more money you make and the less your clients make. Also, you'll end up hitting a higher percentage of picks that fall below the average, which means the actual profit will likely be lower than what I calculated here.

Bottom line: this could be a win for someone sitting on an extra $50,000 who honestly doesn't have a better way to put that cash to work than betting it.