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driftingraven53 driftingraven53 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2008
#121 ·
I've got a few questions because I am completely new to all of this, specifically regarding online betting
1. Once I head down to Chase and set up a Visa debit card linked to my foreign currency account (you know, the one with that three-digit code), how long does it actually take to get it in my hands? Will they hand it to me right then and there, or is the bank going to mail it to me in a week or two?
2. To get that card issued, is a standard American ID enough to get the job done?
3. Am I able to receive my winnings directly into that foreign currency account from a sportsbook or via PayPal?
4. What kind of specific bank account do I need to open if I want to use the "bank transfer" withdrawal option?

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Dana Ortiz11 Dana Ortiz11 Member
15 messages
joined Sep 2007
#122 ·
Arthur Ramirez12 said:But how am I supposed to do that without a Visa??

Look, a buddy could just send you cash from his PayPal account and you can go wild in person. Or, you could find someone online to swap some USD into your bank account in exchange for Euros on PayPal.
Dana Ortiz11 Dana Ortiz11 Member
15 messages
joined Sep 2007
#123 ·
driftingraven53 said:Can I actually have my winnings from a sportsbook or PayPal sent directly to that foreign currency account?
What kind of account am I supposed to open at the bank to get that "bank transfer" withdrawal option?

Believe it or not, even the most basic checking account will do the trick. Checking my checking account. ☕

briskjackal5 said:Winning at the casino? You don't owe a dime in taxes on that.

The only ones putting up any kind of fight against it are the Frenchmen, and... Those Germans!!!!

If you win on American soil, you don't owe any taxes. As for playing games from outside the country? Technically, that's off-limits.
Dana Ortiz11 Dana Ortiz11 Member
15 messages
joined Sep 2007
#124 ·
News Headline
By Dan
Published: Monday, December 31, 2007

Happy New Year, America! It looks like it's time to say goodbye to online poker. As we head into 2008, the US is facing a massive crackdown on online gambling. Every single state gave the green light to this new legislation back in mid-December.

Here's the breakdown of what this new law actually does:

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State Governments are now empowered to pressure internet service providers to block gambling sites entirely, cutting off both web access and any money transfers to those platforms.

A lot of people think this is just a setup for the federal government to grab a monopoly on the whole industry. By kicking out all the international players offering poker, blackjack, and roulette, they're basically rolling out the red carpet for the government to run its own services and pocket all that cash.

The big online gambling players in Europe aren't just going to sit there and take it, either. DraftKings has already announced they're heading to court to fight this. Their founder, Jens Schumann, didn't mince words, stating, “The action taken by the states in this case is another example of how politics interferes in the market economy in a biased manner under the guise of maintaining order. Successful companies in the sphere of state lotteries are to be eliminated through the argument that this will protect the population from gambling addiction. Everyday you can see how seriously the state is really taking the issue by looking at betting outlets, casinos and amusement arcades, which continue to face no advertising restrictions.”

According to an article in The Wall Street Journal, some legal experts in the US are predicting a massive wave of lawsuits, with potentially 3,000 different betting companies challenging the law.

Back in October, DraftKings kicked things off by filing an International Legal Dispute against four states, so the legal battle is already heating up. Given that there was already an International Trade Dispute regarding the United States’ violation of World Trade Organization agreements, it'll be fascinating to see how the rest of the world reacts to this sudden push against free trade.
briskjackal5 briskjackal5 Active Member
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joined Feb 2018
#125 ·
Dana Ortiz11 said:Banning all foreign companies from providing poker, blackjack, roulette, and other forms of gambling over the internet clears the path for the federal government to run its own services and thus the revenues.


I just highlighted the most important part there.

Honestly, when it comes to how laws actually get passed, things in Germany aren't much different from how they work here in the States... it's always a mess of confusing legal jargon. And hey, any law can still get struck down in court if it's bad enough.
I mean, look at the French—as a people, they’ve always been a bit skeptical of the European Union anyway. So, the Government could easily try to pull the wool over their eyes and say, "Hey, don't gamble within the EU," but then, the moment the EU steps in and suggests that certain rules might actually hurt the average Frenchman, the Government suddenly pivots and yells, "Don't let the EU tell us what laws we can pass!"... it's basically just them playing both sides. 😁

The whole point of this law in Germany isn't really about "banning gambling." It's more about making sure the German Government Representative keeps a firm grip on the gambling industry through one way or another. They aren't banning the act itself, just controlling who does it.
But that totally goes against the European Union principles regarding the free market, so I really doubt it stands a chance.

Besides, our own Government doesn't really have any massive incentive to try and corral a tiny group of maybe 150 American online gamblers into using "local" or state-run sites. 😁

-briskjackal5
Dana Ortiz11 Dana Ortiz11 Member
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joined Sep 2007
#126 ·
briskjackal5 said:The whole point of this law in Germany isn't actually about "banning gambling." It’s more about making sure the German Government Representative keeps all the gambling in Germany under their thumb somehow. They aren't stopping the gambling itself; they just want control.
It goes totally against European Union free market principles, so there's no way this holds up.

Look, the bottom line is the government wants a monopoly on gambling because they see massive amounts of cash flowing through it, or they just want to slap on some heavy taxes.

I don't care if it flies in the face of European Union principles—the law passed and it's active. Just like here in the US. Whether it clashes with international agreements or even the Constitution is secondary at this point.
silvercanyon82 silvercanyon82 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2008
#127 ·
Hey guys... just catching up on what everyone's saying here... I'm pretty interested in online betting myself. I actually tried signing up at Unibet, started trying to deposit some cash, and totally struck out. Complete rookie move on my part, haha.

But after reading through your posts here, things are starting to click..

So, quick question: am I actually going to get that card with the number on it? I told the lady at the bank counter that I wanted to open a checking account specifically to get a Visa debit card... but now I'm wondering if that won't work because it needs to be a foreign currency account, right? At least that's what I gathered from reading here. If that's the case, will it even work for stuff online??

Do I really have to go back and open a foreign currency account then?

thanks

Sorry if I sound like a total idiot here.. hehehe
rapidviper54 rapidviper54 Active Member
64 messages
joined Jul 2010
#128 ·
silvercanyon82 said:Hey guys... just catching up on what you're all saying here... I'm actually interested in online betting myself... I went over to Unibet, registered, and tried to deposit some cash, but it wouldn't let me go through. Total amateur move on my part, haha.

But I think I finally get it now after reading your posts...

So, quick question—will I actually get that card with the number on the back? I told the teller at the bank I wanted to open a checking account because I thought that’s how you get a Visa... but now I'm wondering if that won't work since I probably need a foreign currency account, right? At least that's what I gathered from reading this. If that's the case, is the standard account useless for online stuff??

Do I have to go back and open a specific foreign currency account now???

thanks

Sorry if I sound like a complete idiot here... hehe.

You need to tell them you want a foreign currency account, not just a standard checking account.
Dana Ortiz11 Dana Ortiz11 Member
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joined Sep 2007
#129 ·
rapidviper54 said:You gotta make sure you ask for a foreign currency CHECKING account, not a savings one.

FYP
Ronald Allen Ronald Allen Active Member
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joined Oct 2010
#130 ·
rapidviper54 said:Chase says it's a foreign currency checking account, which I guess means it's just a standard checking account, right? 🤷

A foreign currency checking account is basically just an a-vista account, and any individual here in the US can open one. A foreign currency business account is different—that's for someone running a company or a registered vacation rental business, like those folks with beach houses, so they have a way to take payments from tourists.
Henry Stewart2 Henry Stewart2 Member
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joined Jan 2010
#131 ·
rapidviper54 said:Hey, what's up to all the online bettors out there.

I see you guys have some experience with online betting, so I wanted to ask something. I'm looking to drop a few hundred bucks at an online casino myself, but there's one thing I'm wondering about.

I get how the transfer process works, but my real question is about getting paid out. For instance, if I'm moving money from PayPal to my Chase Visa—people told me Chase is the best way to handle this kind of thing—does that automatically go into my foreign currency account, or what? Especially now that they've introduced this new policy. Foreign currency account.I'm wondering if Chase is actually flagging anything. Let's be real—nobody is out here actually paying taxes on their gambling winnings. 😂

If you could help me out with some useful info, I’d really appreciate it.

It would be stupid if everything turned out to be illegal. I mean, DraftKings basically has their own turf at the LA Galaxy stadium, they advertise everywhere in the media, and they even sponsored shows on CNN (or ABC). ☕

I don't feel like reading the other posts. They probably contain incorrect data.

Yeah, that Chase Visa is linked to the foreign currency account. I haven't run into any issues in the last two years since I started betting online.

There were all these rumors about a new gambling tax coming our way, but nothing actually happened. A whole lot of nothing. As far as I know—and I'm pretty sure on this—online gambling winnings aren't taxed unless you're having the money paid out to a corporate account.

Look, the fact is you're just paying yourself. You're moving money from PayPal to Chase. It isn't like a sportsbook is sending you a direct payout; you're just transferring funds between your own accounts. I guess nobody really cares if you want to move money back and forth every single day. It's your business. PayPal doesn't ask where the money came from, and that's pretty much the end of it.

As of January 1, 2007, a new law went into effect requiring all foreign wire transfers to be received directly into a foreign currency account. It’s some kind of money laundering precaution, I guess. I’ve actually been called into my bank a few times to sign paperwork explaining why I was receiving funds from Sweden into my checking account. That's where my salary goes. Even then, I'm not considered a tax liability because the taxes are already withheld at the source, and we have a double taxation treaty with Sweden and most other countries anyway. So, I don't even qualify as a taxpayer based on my wages.

Since they haven't managed to pull anything off following that announcement about the gambling tax—including online betting—it means they don't have any legal ground to stand on. I guess. An online sportsbook already pays taxes, so making players pay too would just be double taxation. Not to mention that if online betting actually became taxed like that, the whole thing would probably stop working. If there were a 30% tax, for instance, you’d effectively be getting 30% lower odds. Maybe.

Chase hasn't once asked me where my money comes from or anything like that in two years, even though I've pulled over $10,000 from PayPal.

Don't sweat the taxes. You aren't going to get some raid from the IRS or a subpoena showing up at your door. Online business operates under international and global standards, not according to the corrupt, monopoly-driven whims of local political parties. Over there, you only pay exactly what you spend—no extra tax, no surcharges, no hidden fees, and none of those manipulative costs. Those local politicians don't have any legal leg to stand on anyway.

Here is a guide on how to use PayPal, along with some general tips for anyone just getting started with online betting: www.bettingonline.comBanners and reviews for Betfair, 888 Casino, and some poker rooms are going up soon. Pick whatever you want. If I actually had the time, I’d probably post some betting strategies too. Until then, I'm available via PM if anyone has questions.
Henry Stewart2 Henry Stewart2 Member
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joined Jan 2010
#132 ·
Ronald Allen said:A foreign currency checking account is essentially a Visa account, and any individual in the US can open one. A foreign currency business account is for someone with a company or a registered tourism business—like vacation rentals—so they can receive payments from tourists for summer stays.

I have a foreign currency business account at the Federal Reserve, and I don't even own a company.
Dana Ortiz11 Dana Ortiz11 Member
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joined Sep 2007
#133 ·
Henry Stewart2 said:As soon as they announced that tax on betting (including online stuff), they couldn't actually pull anything off, which means they don't have any legal ground to stand on. Online sportsbooks already pay their taxes, so making players pay too would just be double taxation. Not to mention, online betting would basically die if they taxed it directly—if you're looking at a 30% tax, you're effectively getting 30% worse odds.

What you just wrote is complete nonsense!

Henry Stewart2 said:Don't sweat the taxes; the IRS isn't going to kick down your door or send you a subpoena. Online business runs on international and global standards, not some local political monopoly rules. You just pay what you spend, without all the extra taxes, surcharges, fees, and shady costs. And those local politicians can't touch them legally anyway...

Same goes for this!!
Henry Stewart2 Henry Stewart2 Member
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joined Jan 2010
#134 ·
I agree, your post makes more sense.

Just like your other posts on this thread—especially that one claiming you don't need a Visa card, just a friend who happens to have one! 😂

Leonard Nimoy, I just noticed you mentioned me 😬 Bookie Hates IT! is ancient history, a completely useless project. That same guide is now hosted on my site at LINK
Dana Ortiz11 Dana Ortiz11 Member
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joined Sep 2007
#135 ·
Henry Stewart2 said:Just like your posts on this thread—especially that one where you claim you don't even need an Intel card, just a buddy who owns one!

Look, if you can't wrap your head around certain things, that's on you. To put it in math terms: having an Intel card is sufficient but not strictly necessary to use MB, since there are other ways to handle it besides using a card or a bank transfer.
Brandon Castillo4 Brandon Castillo4 Regular
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joined Nov 2003
#136 ·
Dana Ortiz11, consider this your first and final warning. Dropping comments like "this is stupid" without actually backing them up with a single shred of logic is completely pointless. If you’re going to insist on calling Coffee's posts garbage, then have the guts to explain why. Don't just throw around insults for the sake of it without any substance.

You've been warned. 😉
driftingorca13 driftingorca13 Member
22 messages
joined Jan 2008
#137 ·
I have a friend who pulls in thousands of dollars from this...
he actually used the profits to finish building his house.
Brandon Castillo4 Brandon Castillo4 Regular
277 messages
joined Nov 2003
#138 ·
ok
driftingraven53 driftingraven53 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Jan 2008
#139 ·
Hey everyone, so I headed down to Chase today to pick up my new Intel debit card and got everything verified on PayPal without any hiccups, which feels like a win. But now I’m getting a little anxious about the withdrawal process. When the time comes to pull funds into my foreign currency account and they ask for scans of my ID and my card, what’s the standard protocol there? Should I be sending over scans of both the front and the back of the card, just the front, or maybe both while making sure to black out some of those sensitive numbers for security? Also, I had another thought—if I make a deposit into Pinnacle via PayPal, once it's time to cash out, am I stuck having to route it from Pinnacle back to PayPal and then finally to my bank account, or is there a way to send it directly from Pinnacle to my account?😁
steelmaker steelmaker Newcomer
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joined Jan 2006
#140 ·
driftingraven53 said:So, I headed down to the Intel branch today to sort out my Chase debit card and got everything verified on PayPal without any issues... it all went smoothly. But I'm wondering about when it comes time to withdraw to my foreign currency account... if they ask for a scan of my ID and card, should I send both sides of the card, just the front, just the back, or both sides but with some numbers blacked out? And there's one more thing... say I deposit into Pinnacle via PayPal, and once it's time to cash out, do I have to move the funds from Pinnacle back to PayPal first and then to my bank, or can I go straight from Pinnacle to my bank account?😁

You really should have posted this in the "deposit-withdrawal" subforum rather than here.

By the way, what's the big deal with sending from Pinnacle to PayPal? Pinnacle pays out to PayPal in like, ten minutes flat.

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