No moderator in Alternative Medicine

Look, I know I'm technically breaking the rules by double-posting, but honestly? Across three different threads—Alternative Medicine (covering detox, raw food, and vaccines)—the situation is worse than a playground fight in a preschool. The level of insults flying around is insane; you don't see this kind of toxicity on any other subforum. People have been warned about this multiple times, but it’s always the same old story: as soon as someone calls out the disrespect, the mods just shut the whole thread down, whether it's over on PŽK or anywhere else.

Hey there! It’s actually really nice to see you back in the mix. Hopefully, this time around, you can hang out and join the conversation without getting all personal, bringing up people's families, or dumping medical diagnoses everywhere—because if I recall correctly, you definitely left us with quite an impression last time.
But hey, if it makes you feel better, the moderators aren't around right now. @body_halleck made it pretty clear that they’re planning to sweep through soon and tidy up all the quasi-alternative medicine, the quackery, the anti-vax stuff, and just the general rudeness. So, no biggie! If you've got the energy, feel free to enjoy this current chaotic free-for-all while it lasts—you can really feel the raw, unfiltered spirit of the crowd in here. It's good to have you back, sister!
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Ethan Brooks59 said:Well, look who decided to show up again. It’d be nice if you could actually stick to the topics without being insulting, dragging people's families into it, or dumping your medical diagnoses everywhere. If I recall correctly, you did a pretty fantastic job of disrespecting all of us last time.
But hey, if it makes you feel better, there's still no moderator around. @body_halleck made it pretty clear that they'll soon be cleaning up this mess of quasi-alternative stuff, quackery, anti-vax nonsense, and just plain rudeness. So, no biggie—if you feel like sticking around for the chaos, go ahead and enjoy this absolute circus while you can. It really shows the absolute bottom of the barrel when it comes to people. Welcome back, "dear sister."
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I am going to report every single one of you until a moderator finally steps in and hands out some actual consequences. Honestly, it's exhausting just watching and reading this. You guys act worse than toddlers in a daycare. The moderators won't do anything; if they actually wanted to, everyone would have been kicked off this forum ages ago. And if I'm "allergic" to this behavior, then yeah, maybe I'm just allergic to the fact that the rules aren't applied equally to everyone under the Law. Any insult? Report filed. Though we all know nothing will come of it. Body haleck keeps making these grand promises, but if he meant business, he would've acted long ago. Just like how you treated me. Maybe you forgot, or maybe you just have selective memory. I read these grown adults—people who should know better—just bickering over whose dad is tougher, and frankly, it makes me sick. In most cases, anyone being insulting is just the spitting image of what this whole country has become: zero morals, zero ethics.

Kimberly Ward said:I'm going to keep reporting you all until the moderators finally step in and hand out some penalties, because honestly, watching this mess is just exhausting.

Oh, so you're coming after me? Just me? Wow, okay! What did I ever do to you? And here I was thinking we were actually hitting it off! Look, I am totally on board with your intentions, but shouldn't that go both ways? You support me, I support you—that’s how it works, right? And just a heads-up, there are about twenty different people involved in these discussions, so maybe take a closer look at who is actually saying what and who is being disrespectful. Believe me, people are just waiting for a reason to call you out. 😁

Kimberly Ward said:You guys are acting worse than kids in a preschool. The moderators aren't going to do anything because if they actually wanted to, they would have kicked everyone off the forum ages ago.

Now, Kimberly, dear, you came here to join a discussion. But once you found yourself without any real answers to the questions being asked, instead of just admitting you might not know everything, you decided to start attacking people. Naturally, they fought back. My only "crime" against you was simply asking if you were actually the person mentioned in those news reports, and you reacted like a total bull in a china shop! It's only fair that I respond to you.

Kimberly Ward said:If I'm allergic to something, then I'm allergic to the idea that not everyone is equal under the Law.

Let's not talk about the law. You know perfectly well that you became famous specifically because of those legal issues. That goes for you and the doctor who left with you. Maybe your intentions weren't bad, but the law applies to everyone equally, regardless.

Kimberly Ward said:Any kind of insult gets a report. Though we all know nothing will come of it.

You're repeating yourself again. I hear you. Go ahead, feel free to hit that report button every time someone insults you.

Kimberly Ward said:Body Hallack makes all these big promises, but if he actually meant them, he would have done it ages ago. It’s just like how you "honored" me. Maybe you forgot about that, or maybe you just have a very convenient case of selective memory.

Honestly, getting into it with the moderators usually just leaves you feeling blue, so my advice? It's probably better to just stay away from commenting on their decisions.
As for that little "honor" you bestowed upon me, it was nothing more than a response to ". Oh you psychopath, I think you should tell us all about your time spent over there. I'm out here living my life on free will." and "I assume you didn't get vaccinated against being a jerk. The problem is you and your sheer stupidity. Your problem is" or You absolute idiot, you're just twisting words to suit your own agenda. You've shown yourself to be nothing but a total moron or just some grumpy old fossil. You're about as tolerant as a telephone pole, and you can practically see the rage radiating from your eyes. You exalt yourself to the heavens, but honestly, you're acting worse than a toddler at a playground.

So, my "selective memory"—much like a certain famous American comedian—definitely remembers those "sweet words" you showered me with once you ran out of actual arguments. If you want to have a real discussion, then by all means, let's go.

Kimberly Ward said:I’m reading how grown adults—people who haven't even lost their legal rights—are just going back and forth, literally bickering over whose daddy is tougher, and it honestly makes me sick. In most cases, anyone with any shred of value is at rock bottom because this whole group seems to have zero morals or ethics left.

I didn't quite catch "what the poet was trying to convey" there! Either your sentences got a little tangled up, or your thoughts were racing way faster than your fingers could type.
I wasn't entirely sure if that was directed at someone specific or just a general observation. Maybe take it a little slower when typing so things don't overlap like that. Otherwise, people might misinterpret you, and then you end up with a whole mess of misunderstandful drama on your hands.☕☕

The reality is that ever since the moderator was removed from Alternative Medicine, a handful of threads on this sub-forum have been constantly being obstructed by a small group of the exact same users who seem to be violating the rules in the worst possible ways — specifically Ethan Brooks59, Plant112, Roger Cooper91, Jerry White29, Al dente, and urbangull90.

None of these users ever contribute anything constructive or stay on topic; instead, they’ve turned those specific threads mentioned by Kimberly Ward into a staging ground for personal vendettas against anyone brave enough to hold a different opinion , though most people don't even bother responding to their nonsense —they just stick to the actual discussion and put them on ignore.

Their posts are nothing but pure ad hominem attacks, harassment, off-topic rambling, and blatant insults that just loop over and over again.

Back when this sub-forum actually had moderation, none of this would happen.

The insults are practically a daily occurrence, much like what I’ve linked here (and that’s just a tiny sample I quickly pulled up via Google), and honestly, this behavior has been dragging on for over a year now, ever since the moderator left.

I fully expect this thread to get locked, especially if I start dropping more links to back up my claims, but it really is high time this pattern of verbal abuse and rule-breaking is shut down. This kind of thing doesn't happen on any decent forum in the US. It makes no sense to let a tiny clique drag down the entire reputation of this community.

I do have one question for the staff responsible for keeping order here: why haven't the numerous violations I've pointed out right here resulted in any sanctions at all, not even a warning?
It seems strange, because I know plenty of others have received permanent bans for much smaller infractions.

Okay, I get it—there isn't a moderator for Alternative Medicine, so maybe we shouldn't expect much oversight there.
However, we do have supermoderators here on PDF Natural Science, yet for some reason, they aren't stepping in to address this...

I honestly can't wrap my head around what Ethan Barrett22 is trying to pull here, because if there’s one thing we all know by now, it’s that he has absolutely no interest in telling the truth.

Ibrahim-Pr Asks:
The truth is pretty simple: ever since they booted the moderator from the Alternative Medicine section, several threads on this subforum have been constantly getting obstructed. It honestly drives me absolutely insane how those same handful of users constantly find ways to skirt the rules, and they do it in the most blatant, disrespectful ways possible. It’s always the exact same group of people, over and over again, pushing the boundaries and acting like the community standards don't apply to them. - Ethan Brooks59, Plant112, Roger Cooper91, Jerry White29, Al dente, urbangull90.

The people listed here aren't actually doing anything besides playing "moderator" on threads where these pseudo-alternative types spout nothing but absolute nonsense and straight-up insult your intelligence.

Ethan Barrett22 said:None of these forum members have ever posted anything remotely constructive or even stayed on topic; those few threads Kimberly Ward mentioned on the subforum have basically just been turned into a total circus for... I’ve had just about enough of the sheer, unadulterated arrogance coming from certain people on this board, specifically those self-appointed "experts" who think they can shut down anyone daring to look beyond the mainstream narrative. It’s honestly exhausting watching you lot jump down the throats of anyone who dares to suggest that there might be more to health than what Big Pharma hands us in a little white pill. You act like you own the truth, sitting there behind your keyboards, dogmatically clinging to whatever consensus was spoon-fed to you by some corporate-funded medical establishment, and the moment someone brings up the merits of Alternative Medicine or mentions something like Plant112, you lose your collective minds. It is absolutely pathetic how quickly you turn into a pack of wolves the second an idea doesn't fit into your narrow, sterilized little worldview. You aren't looking for a discussion; you're looking for compliance. If someone suggests that maybe, just maybe, we should be looking at things like Gnuujninestrin instead of just blindly following a prescription, you treat it like heresy. It’s not science to be that closed-minded; it’s just intellectual cowardice. You hide behind your supposed "facts" because you're too terrified to actually question the status quo or consider that the entire system might be rigged to keep us dependent and sick. And don't even get me started on the way you dismiss anyone who values a Right Life over a life dictated by pharmaceutical dependency. You mock the very concept of seeking out different paths, acting as if questioning the giants of industry is somehow a sign of ignorance rather than a sign of critical thinking. I see the way you target people—it’s a coordinated effort to silence dissent, to make sure everyone stays within the lines of what's considered "acceptable." Well, I'm telling you right now, I'm not interested in playing along with your little echo chamber. If having an independent mind and refusing to bow down to the cult of modern medicine makes me an outcast in your eyes, then fine. I'd much rather be alone and right than part of your mindless, conformist herd.It looks like you might have hit send too early or had a little typo there! If you have a specific post or some text you want me to overhaul, just paste it in. I'm ready to take that raw material and turn it into a sharp, authentic American rant or commentary, keeping the original soul intact while completely rebuilding it from the ground up. Send it over whenever you're ready. It’s honestly pathetic how most of them don't even bother to respond to what they write, just completely ignoring their own posts in most cases. They’re already working on this topic, and yet they've gone ahead and put them on the ignore list.

I really feel the need to say this one more time: we cannot possibly take any claims about "constructive" arguments seriously when they come from someone who actually believes that human blood is basically just carrot juice, or that the human body somehow synthesizes its own Vitamin C out of nothing but carbs and water.
Honestly, when people start peddling this kind of absolute nonsense, the only thing worth doing is posting constructive responses to shut it down.

Ethan Barrett22 said:Their posts are nothing but pure ad hominem attacks, constant harassment of forum members, off-topic nonsense, and blatant insults that just loop over and over again without ever stopping.

When they were busy cleaning up the subforum, that whole situation was completely swept under the rug.

If the moderators were actually paying attention around here, they’d be scrubbing posts like yours immediately. Honestly, if they were doing their jobs properly, we wouldn't even have to waste our breath "moderating" the blatant lies and total fabrications you keep peddling.

Ethan Barrett22 said:Insults have become a regular occurrence around here, much like they are in my own life. Right here. I just dropped a link here—and honestly, that’s just a tiny snippet of what I managed to dig up on Google in a hurry—but this whole mess has been dragging on for over a year now, ever since we lost our moderator.

Excuse me, but what do you even call someone who claims there’s a massive worm over three feet long living inside their body, yet somehow the doctors have absolutely no clue what it is?

Ethan Barrett22 said:I get it, this thread is probably going to get locked too, especially if I drop more links to back up these facts, but honestly, it is high time we put an end to this blatant disrespect and the constant breaking of rules because this kind of behavior doesn't belong on any forum in the world. It makes zero sense to let a tiny handful of people drag the reputation of this entire community through the mud.

If we're talking about dragging reputations through the dirt, you and your little followers are doing more damage than anyone else by posting nothing but pure delusions.

Since I didn't get a chance to reply to Ethan Barrett22 in the last thread before it got locked—and since he’s popped up here again just to stir the pot—I figured I’d address this publicly so everyone can see the full picture.

Whether you're looking at the PDF Natural Science section or right here in the Alternative Medicine area, several threads have been shut down for one specific reason. There is a certain group of people here that acts more like a cult or an interest group (likely just clicking links for profit) than a discussion circle. They hijack Alternative Medicine topics with their own specific obsessions, flooding threads with "testimonials"—like some "John from Alabama" claiming cancer was miraculously cured by eating apple seeds or drinking carrot juice. It’s total nonsense. Even worse, they actively encourage people to ABANDON medical treatments, calling doctors murderers, mercenaries, and villains. We’ve pointed this out multiple times, and the moderators and Nice have already stepped in with warnings.

In fact, Nice had to lock that specific open thread about cancer because the group crossed the line into practicing medicine without a license, which is actually illegal, so a warning was issued that we won't tolerate that here. Following that, this exact same clique (Ethan Barrett22, stormyrider28, Benny, Bonecrusher, NajaNaja, Right Life, Marec, Jamie Rivera78, and others) started trolling similar topics like Raw Food, Detoxification, and Vaccinations. Under Ethan Barrett22's leadership, they turned these discussions into a playground for trolling, ad hominem attacks, and spamming. They provoke reactions and then put most of the other forum members on their ignore lists so they can just mock each other and insult everyone else in private. They even admitted to coordinating via PP on how to attack specific users and how to troll certain threads. When these posts were reported, NO ONE SEEMED TO REACT, so it’s no wonder people react defensively to them. How are you supposed to respond to people who take news about someone's near-death experience and turn it into a joke about their lifestyle? Or people who mock the death of a relative, or take public data regarding vaccinations and twist it into lies just to push absurd conspiracy theories? They call for rebellion against the system and against vaccinating children, despite the fact that most of them don't even have kids themselves and are just playing the role of "altruists."

On top of all that, it has become incredibly obvious through the data presented that Ethan Barrett22 has been frantically scouring the internet and other forums to hunt down the private information of our members. He then uses that info in threads to launch ad hominem attacks, banking on the fact that there’s no moderation to stop him. He even went as far as claiming a whole bunch of us were clones of a single user and demanded we be investigated! When that failed, he just put the entire group on his ignore list.
Now that he’s realized he’s dealing with a large group of people who consistently debunk his every stupid argument—real people, not clones, spread out across different states and even neighboring countries—and that some of his "followers" have left because they're tired of wasting their time on this madness, he’s been waiting for an opportunity. He waited until this past weekend to try and demand a permanent ban for everyone who agrees with him and to have all threads where his views appear deleted. But the moderator @body_halleck didn't fall for it and reacted exactly how he hoped, which made Ethan realize his plan had failed. Since then, he hasn't posted a single on-topic comment; instead, he just "replies" to month-old posts from users who aren't even active anymore, using them as a way to insult the people around him.
And while we're talking about these "poor" Alternative Medicine advocates—radical converts to raw veganism who call everyone else "scavengers" and doctors "murderers," who openly promote anti-vax sentiment, talk about cannibalism, claim the elderly should be put down because they're just "walking bags of disease," exhibit the worst kinds of xenophobia, and even promote sexual perversions in the threads (talking about binding hands and eyes and sexual assault to test gendered sensations)—let it be known exactly what kind of "alternative" crowd we are actually dealing with.

Honestly, I’ve finally reached my absolute breaking point with this total psychopath, Ibrahim-pr—and I truly don't have any other way to describe someone behaving like this. Since I’ve spent years being somewhat of a public figure (I was part of several organizations that worked openly to promote natural sciences across the US and right here on the PDF Natural Science forums), it hasn't been particularly difficult for him to dig up some of my personal info. Now, he’s started sending these incredibly threatening and abusive messages. I can easily post the transcripts of those texts so everyone can see exactly what he's up to! On top of that, he’s been blowing up the phone with calls day and night. The only "issue" this unstable individual doesn't realize is that these messages are going to a 70-year-old lady, whose only "crime" is using my old smartphone because I still pay the monthly bill for her for practical reasons. She’s actually going to shut the thing off now because she's genuinely scared for her safety after talking to the police. We are currently in the middle of filing formal criminal charges against Ibrahim-pr, so hopefully, that will finally put a stop to this guy's behavior.

If he wants everything out in the open, fine—let the truth and the facts come to light, Ibrahim-pr.
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Ethan Brooks59 said:...
Beyond that, looking at all the data presented here, it’s become painfully obvious that this Ibrahim-pr character is frantically scouring the web and various forums just to dig up private info on users, only to dump it all in threads so he can launch ad hominem attacks, fully banking on the fact that there’s zero moderation to hold him accountable. ...

What really pushed me over the edge—and I mean this personally—is the fact that this absolute psychopath Ibrahim-pr (and honestly, I don't have any other word for someone who acts like this) has started sending extremely threatening and abusive messages. Now, since I’ve been a semi-public figure for years—having been part of several organizations that worked openly to promote natural sciences across America and right here in the PDF Natural Science section of this forum—it wasn't exactly a massive challenge for him to track down my personal details. He’s been blowing up the phone with calls day and night, too. I could easily post the transcripts of these messages for everyone to see if I wanted to. The only "issue" this mentally unstable individual hasn't realized is that he’s directing these messages toward a 70-year-old lady, whose only "crime" is using my old cell phone because I still pay the bill for her out of pure practicality. She’s going to shut it off now, though, strictly because the police advised her to for her own safety. We are currently in the process of filing formal criminal charges against Ibrahim-pr, so hopefully, that will finally put a leash on this clearly disturbed individual.

If this guy wants everything out in the open, fine, let the truth and the facts be seen, Ibrahim-pr.
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God, 😲, this is absolutely horrific...

And then people wonder why nobody wants to moderate the Alternative section...

mistybison said:And then people wonder why nobody wants to moderate the "Alternative" section in the first place...

Still, it’s actually pretty entertaining to read through. You need a moderator just to scrub away the threads that pose a legitimate threat to public health—you know, the total charlatan stuff. Conspiracy theories and other nonsense are a different story; they're less critical. You can agree or disagree with someone's crazy ideas, but those things aren't inherently life-threatening to the general public...

P.S., I honestly don't see how the Vaccination thread even belongs on this subforum. There isn't any actual Alternative medicine being offered there; it all just devolves into unverified conspiracies, money lobbying, Big Pharma... and so on. Given the kind of content being posted, it would probably be best to just shut the whole thing down. Let the main site take a stand against this growing anti-vax madness...
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-s...detail/measles

Mark Cruz15 said:But hey, it’s actually kind of fun to read. We just need a moderator to step in and scrub the stuff that’s actually a public health hazard—you know, the total snake oil nonsense. Conspiracy theories and other brain-rot? Whatever. You can agree or disagree, but those things aren't going to kill anyone.

P.S., I don't even get why the Vaccination thread is sitting in this subforum. There isn't even any talk about an Alternative there; it's just a loop of unverified paranoia, money lobbying, Big Pharma... you name it. Honestly, looking at the junk being posted, we should just shut the whole thing down. Let American forums take a stand against this growing anti-vax madness.
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-s...detail/measles

Look, we all know that over on the Medicine board, they have zero tolerance for Alternative views. If you stray off script, you get slapped down immediately. We should apply that same logic here to the Alternative board. This is the spot for outside perspectives; everything else should be shoved into different subforums. That would end the constant bickering. Besides, the rules for Alternative already lay out crystal clear instructions for anyone actually paying attention to what's being said here.
The crowd constantly trying to block every single post doesn't seem to grasp that there is NO equal sign between Alternative medicine and Natural Science. An Alternative is just a different viewpoint or a different path that—for a million reasons—is sometimes years ahead of mainstream science, often offering way better solutions than what official science currently serves up. Unfortunately, corruption in the scientific community is getting harder to ignore, and that’s exactly why Alternative options matter. The public needs to see every choice on the table; hiding data has never helped anyone.
As for vaccinations, even top leaders in the American healthcare system are pointing out that we should scrap mandatory shots and move toward a recommendation-based system. There's plenty of info out there showing vaccines can carry real risks, and staying silent about that isn't doing anyone favors. At the end of the day, people should weigh all the opinions and make their own call on what's best for them or their kids. Most developed countries already operate that way anyway.
Regarding the fighting and the trash posts, it’s pretty obvious that most of the drama is stirred up by self-proclaimed "experts" acting like they're saving everyone's lives. Their go-to mantra is that nothing exists or should ever be used unless it's been backed by ten different studies spanning twenty years. History shows that's no guarantee of success, and while they wait, people lose precious time. I’ll say it without holding back: today, Alternative approaches can often help far more than traditional medicine. That’s exactly why I think the Alternative board should be left to the Alternative folks. If someone wants to read, they'll read; if not, they won't. Purposefully trolling and blocking threads is just rude and accomplishes nothing. If anything, it just makes mainstream medicine look less credible.

Ethan Barrett22 said:The truth is

Ethan Barrett22, your reputation is trashed. 😁

What Ethan Brooks59 is saying about topics being shut down over on the Alternative Medicine boards just isn't the truth... only one single thread was actually closed, and that was the cancer treatment one, mostly because his insults were getting out of hand for months on end. In every single post, he was being incredibly rude to everyone else participating, and since there weren't any moderators around at the time to step in, the admin ended up locking the whole thing, promising to reopen it in a few days. Since there still aren't any mods to keep things under control, it looks like they aren't reopening it because the chaos would just keep going... which is exactly what’s happening on two or three other threads where Ethan Brooks59 moved over along with those few guys Ethan Barrett22 mentioned, who are really the only actual problem in those discussions. If they just got banned, it wouldn't be an issue, because honestly, nothing was wrong until they showed up. I've never seen this kind of verbal abuse anywhere else on the forum. I could list plenty of posts where I get insulted for absolutely no reason the second I post anything, and it's always coming from Ethan Brooks59, Jerry White29, Plant112, Al Dente, and Roger Cooper91. Every time I write something, they're right there attacking me...
The real issue is them, because they only show up to insult and attack those of us who actually care about the topics, basically killing any chance of a decent debate. And the moment we stop posting, they disappear too, so it's pretty obvious their only goal is to ruin the threads. The only way to fix this is to penalize them and actually enforce some rules... if there aren't any mods on the Alternative Medicine side to handle it, then you supermods here need to step up, especially when you can see the insults for yourselves. Just try giving them a month-long suspension and I'm a hundred percent sure all the problems would vanish instantly... I totally agree that what they're doing shouldn't go unpunished, because if they don't face consequences, they'll just keep acting like this. It would also be great if they could appoint a moderator soon who actually understands Alternative Medicine, so we can finally have some normal conversations in the threads again...

It’s probably best to act in the interest of the common good and just quiet down—or better yet, get rid of—those forum users whose advice, whether direct or indirect, puts actual lives at risk by ignoring established scientific facts. Honestly, the sooner the better.

Like Mark Cruz15 was saying earlier, the Vaccination thread isn't the place for Alternative Medicine, especially when you look at the recent death tolls in our own neighborhoods. Any user who keeps harping on about how all vaccines are universally harmful, or peddling "facts" like how "raw vegan diets cure every single type of cancer," or claiming people are walking around with meter-long worms that no doctor has ever heard of... well, that kind of mental diarrhea really ought to be banned from this platform. It shouldn't even be allowed here.

We aren't talking about free speech here; we're talking about public health and the lives of terrified, desperate, and frankly misguided people—and even worse, the lives of their children.

Someone needs to step in and stop this madness before we start burying victims of measles or other preventable diseases right here in America.

SF

Ethan Brooks59 said:What's even out there...? So, there's this one group... I was wondering, is it actually connected to any religious stuff? Or is it just an interesting crowd of people? Just curious... So, I was just thinking about those little side hustles where you basically get paid just for clicking on certain links... you know the ones? It's like that weird digital scavenger hunt where you're hunting for pennies... honestly, it sounds almost too easy to be true sometimes... but man, if you find the right spots, it can actually add up... just enough for a coffee here or a snack there... it’s all about finding those specific links that actually pay out without wasting your entire afternoon... anyway, just a random thought popping into my head today... Is this some kind of cult or just a tight-knit group...?Honestly, some people in those Alternative Medicine threads are just out of control... they’re totally hijacking the discussions with these weirdly specific obsessions that nobody else cares about. They keep flooding the boards with these fake "testimonials"—you know, like those "John from Alabama" stories claiming you can cure cancer just by snacking on apple seeds or chugging carrot juice. It’s all just total nonsense and pure delusion... Look, I’m just gonna say it... it’s time to wake up and seriously think about walking away from those standard medical treatments. Seriously... I mean it. We've been fed this line for so long by Big Pharma that we almost forgot there's actually another way out... a different path entirely. I know, I know, everyone says you have to stick to the script, but honestly? Just look around. There are so many people out there finding their way back to a Right Life through Alternative Medicine instead of just letting the system run circles around them... It feels like we're being pushed into a corner where the only option is more pills and more procedures, but that's just not the whole truth... I'm talking about taking control back. Putting your own health in your hands instead of leaving it up to some giant corporation that only cares about the bottom line. It takes guts to step away from the "norm," but man... once you start looking into things like Plant112 or even just exploring what's out there beyond the hospital walls, everything starts to click... You realize you don't have to be a passenger in your own body... It's worth considering, really... just a thought...

Look, that’s just not how it works... this is literally a subforum dedicated to Alternative Medicine, so if people aren't talking about Alternative Medicine here, then what exactly are we even doing? If you're gonna get all worked up and push back against that, it basically means the whole section would have to be shut down entirely... and honestly, it feels like that's exactly what you'd want to happen just to get your way... but hey, the rules clearly state what this board is for right there... Alternative Medicine... basically everything that falls outside the scope of mainstream medicine...
And hey, look, there’s no need to go around insulting people or calling them cultists just because they don't see eye to eye with you...
So, come on, give me a break here... You’re out here talking all this talk about quackery and fake medicine, but then you turn around and say that practicing it means just dropping links to people's stories about how they got better... I mean, seriously, what kind of "quackery" is that if you're just sharing a link to someone else's experience of finding a cure?...
And you guys were just calling those examples "anecdotes"... so if they're just anecdotes, how on earth are they quackery? Like, do you even know what the word quackery actually means? Seriously, it feels like you don't have a clue... You're all just trying to force this label onto everything because you've run out of actual arguments to defend the nonsense you're peddling... which you pretty much just proved right here in this post...

Ethan Brooks59 said:Look, here’s the thing... at least as far as I'm concerned... I've finally hit my limit because... That total psycho Ibrahim-pr... I honestly don't even have the right words for someone who actually does that...

Ethan Brooks59 said:So, just a heads up... we're already in the middle of filing a formal criminal complaint against that Ibrahim-pr guy... so he'll be dealing with the consequences of his actions that way too... It’s pretty obvious this guy's lost his marbles... Probably gonna end up stepping on someone's toes...

See, that’s exactly where we hit a wall on this subforum... the constant insults and people just tearing each other down... Man, you seriously don't know how to write a single post without being insulting... honestly, can't you even manage to act decent and behave properly here?...

For some reason, Ethan Barrett22 keeps pushing this fabricated story about some outing he took with someone named "Kremenko," all just so he and a couple of others can mock the poor guy.

When I pointed out how illogical that whole story was, Ethan Barrett22 and stormyrider28 tried to claim that *I* was actually "Kremenko." Now I’m starting to wonder—given that they both insist Ethan Brooks59 and I are clones (which is pretty obvious from my signature anyway), and looking at what Ethan Brooks59 just posted, is "Kremenko" just a fake nickname they made up? I noticed how active Ethan Brooks59 is on all those mineral threads, after all.

And if you need proof that Ethan Barrett22 has a habit of targeting forum members, just look at the leaked PP data or his blatant ad hominem attacks where he digs up people's info from various PDFs and other online forums.

stormyrider28 said:(...)
See, this is the fundamental issue with this subforum—the constant insults—you just can't seem to draft a single post without taking a swing at someone, and honestly, you can't even manage to behave decently here without slipping back into that.

Assuming what Ethan Brooks59 wrote is actually true—and I don't really see any reason to doubt him—calling someone a psychopath or mentally ill isn't an insult; it's just a clinical description of the situation.

The real issue isn't the name-calling; it's the way people take vulnerable, desperate, and frankly clueless individuals and lead them down a rabbit hole by aggressively pitting unproven nonsense against hard facts, which ultimately puts the health and lives of those people—and potentially their children or anyone immunocompromised—at serious risk.

It's the sheer desperation that's the problem. And it's not just happening in Alternative Medicine, but...

SF

urbangull90 said:If they just acted in the interest of the public good and shut down—or just got rid of—the folks on this forum who are putting lives at risk by giving advice that goes against scientifically proven facts... well, that’d be even better.

Yeah, people like that really need to be reined in. Honestly, if they did, this sub-forum would be peaceful in a heartbeat because those troublemakers are the only reason we have issues here. And look, this is the Alternative Medicine section—everything that doesn't fall under mainstream medicine gets talked about here. But when you guys run out of actual arguments or knowledge, and you can't even win an argument with insults anymore, suddenly you're grasping at straws by calling everything else "quackery"... and coming from people who act like experts in every single post... man, you should be embarrassed.

Gnu, you’re accusing me of being offensive? Give me a break. Where exactly? You were the first one to come at me out of nowhere, claiming I was some kind of clone—which, by the way, I explicitly addressed in my signature. Then, when I actually tried to report other users for harassment, you and your little guru labeled my reports as "persecution." You even went as far as congratulating the very people I was reporting, while I was sitting there thinking there was still some sense of order here, just watching how successfully you all mock me. Now your latest joke is calling me Kremenko. And let's not forget those blatant insults you hurled at us—was that just a calculated move to provoke us so you could delete them later? You guys even tried to track my movements when I was simply trying to explain how standard medical treatments actually saved three of my family members from cancer..

Look, I offered you an out a long time ago. Just offer a sincere apology, drop these ridiculous accusations about me being a clone, and we can move past this like adults.

urbangull90 said:First thing you do is prioritize the greater good. You gotta pacify—or honestly, just get rid of—those forum trolls who’re out here peddling advice that flies in the face of actual science. Whether they're being direct about it or just dropping subtle hints, if their "tips" are putting people's lives at risk? Yeah, better to clear them out. It's not even a big deal, really. Just common sense.

Like lemonzoo said—this vaccination thread doesn't belong on Alternative. Especially not when you look at the death tolls in neighboring countries. Honestly, anyone constantly blowing their own horn about how all vaccines are universally toxic, or pushing those "facts" that raw vegan diets can cure any kind of cancer, or claiming people have meter-long worms living inside them that doctors haven't even heard of... it's pure nonsense. People spreading that kind of mental diarrhea should be banned from the platform immediately. Period.

Look, this isn't some grand debate about free speech. Forget that. We’re talking about public health here. We're talking about the lives of terrified, desperate, borderline unhinged people—and what's even worse? The lives of their kids.

Stop the mandates before we end up burying kids from measles or some other preventable disease right here in America.

SF

This is basically the playbook for people who lose their minds every time an Alternative pops up. They just jump straight to the insults, acting like any kind of Alternative is some kind of disaster or a death sentence. And in their eyes? The rest of us are just mindless drones. These types are the ones who’d want to ban everything under the sun. Honestly, they live for dictatorships and have zero respect for actual freedom of speech. It’s pathetic.